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Offline Bonafidecat

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Get me up to speed on the SSPX, please
« on: November 21, 2025, 07:29:16 PM »
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    • I am a new attendee at a local SSPX chapel.  I escaped the Novus Ordo about 3 years ago.  Now, I'm hearing about the SSPX becoming increasingly Modernist, capitulating to Rome, betraying Lefebvre...Can someone provide a link or three to some articles or other info explaining the current situation with the SSPX that is causing so much concern.  I'd like to know since I attend Mass at one of their chapels.  
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    Re: Get me up to speed on the SSPX, please
    « Reply #1 on: November 21, 2025, 07:34:44 PM »
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    • Quote from: Bonafidecat on November 21, 2025, 07:29:16 PM
    I am a new attendee at a local SSPX chapel.  I escaped the Novus Ordo about 3 years ago.  Now, I'm hearing about the SSPX becoming increasingly Modernist, capitulating to Rome, betraying Lefebvre...Can someone provide a link or three to some articles or other info explaining the current situation with the SSPX that is causing so much concern.  I'd like to know since I attend Mass at one of their chapels. 

    I would go to the "SSPX Resistance" subforum. There are some key docuмents "pinned" at the top of that subforum.
    Also, you can read Sean Johnson's collection of "changes" in the SSPX.

    https://www.cathinfo.com/c.htm
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    Offline Mr G

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    Re: Get me up to speed on the SSPX, please
    « Reply #2 on: Yesterday at 07:05:16 AM »
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    Offline TomGubbinsKimmage

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    Re: Get me up to speed on the SSPX, please
    « Reply #3 on: Yesterday at 11:27:19 AM »
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    • The SSPX made a marriage agreement with Rome requiring them to seek permission from the local Modernists to have marriages.
    Not all SSPX priests follow this, but it is the rule. Your SSPX priest will confirm this.

    This is unacceptable to Catholic ears and Archbishop Lefebvre said there should be no co-operating with them until they have rejected Vatican II.

    Then they also approved the new code of canon law (Which gives communion to protestants!). As a body of law.

    They dropped their doctrinal agreement (conversion in otherwords) With Rome from their regulations. It had been enshrined for years.

    They also changed their position on conditional confirmations.

    Mainly though it is because of the marriage agreement (and the other ones which are harder to show), which mean we should not go anywhere near them. As a matter of principle.The supreme rule is protecting our faith, not treating the Sacraments like a childhood teddy bear we need to cling onto. Because if Sacraments were all that is needed we could just go the the Orthodox also. Valid Sacraments there, but we are forbidden because of the danger to our Faith and what it stands for by attending.

    The SSPX are absolutely toxic.

    By all means visit the Church and pray the rosary. It will be a Church in better shape than your local novus ordo.

    But there are resistance Masses all over the US.Not all of them are listed on Cathinfo. Send me a DM. I'll tell you where your nearest one is.

    And if its far, then make it a matter to go at least once a month or two months, or whenever you urgently need confession.


    God will reward those who are faithful, rather than those who make compromises for an easy life.

    Stay clear also of Father Hewko or "Bishop" Pfeiffer. They are Bishopless and will go nowhere in the long run.
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    Offline JeanBaptistedeCouetus

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    Re: Get me up to speed on the SSPX, please
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    • Quote from: TomGubbinsKimmage on Yesterday at 11:27:19 AM
    The SSPX made a marriage agreement with Rome requiring them to seek permission from the local Modernists to have marriages.
    Not all SSPX priests follow this, but it is the rule. Your SSPX priest will confirm this.

    This is unacceptable to Catholic ears and Archbishop Lefebvre said there should be no co-operating with them until they have rejected Vatican II.

    Then they also approved the new code of canon law (Which gives communion to protestants!). As a body of law.

    They dropped their doctrinal agreement (conversion in otherwords) With Rome from their regulations. It had been enshrined for years.

    They also changed their position on conditional confirmations.

    Mainly though it is because of the marriage agreement (and the other ones which are harder to show), which mean we should not go anywhere near them. As a matter of principle.The supreme rule is protecting our faith, not treating the Sacraments like a childhood teddy bear we need to cling onto. Because if Sacraments were all that is needed we could just go the the Orthodox also. Valid Sacraments there, but we are forbidden because of the danger to our Faith and what it stands for by attending.

    The SSPX are absolutely toxic.

    By all means visit the Church and pray the rosary. It will be a Church in better shape than your local novus ordo.

    But there are resistance Masses all over the US.Not all of them are listed on Cathinfo. Send me a DM. I'll tell you where your nearest one is.

    And if its far, then make it a matter to go at least once a month or two months, or whenever you urgently need confession.


    God will reward those who are faithful, rather than those who make compromises for an easy life.

    Stay clear also of Father Hewko or "Bishop" Pfeiffer. They are Bishopless and will go nowhere in the long run.
    I completely disagree with your take on Father David Hewko. He is a fantastic priest, and a faithful son of Archbishop Lefebvre who’s fidelity to the Catholic Doctrine, the Faith is something I strive for everyday.

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    Re: Get me up to speed on the SSPX, please
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    • Quote from: TomGubbinsKimmage on Yesterday at 11:27:19 AM
    The SSPX are absolutely toxic.
    The guy is looking for the Mass and sacraments, which the SSPX provides. Yes, they are definitely playing with hell fire as you noted, but you go for the Mass and the sacraments to a certainly valid priest - NO priests that were not conditionally ordained by an SSPX bishop are the exception, not the rule - so yes, you do need to watch out for that.    

    But I have never heard heresy or error from the pulpit, their Masses are always done well, and their counseling in confession has always been very good, soundly Catholic.
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    Re: Get me up to speed on the SSPX, please
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    • Quote from: JeanBaptistedeCouetus on Today at 12:07:14 AM
    I completely disagree with your take on Father David Hewko. He is a fantastic priest, and a faithful son of Archbishop Lefebvre who’s fidelity to the Catholic Doctrine, the Faith is something I strive for everyday.


    Good priests dont feel the need to attack good bishops in public.
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    Re: Get me up to speed on the SSPX, please
    « Reply #7 on: Today at 10:26:42 AM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on Today at 06:36:30 AM
    The guy is looking for the Mass and sacraments, which the SSPX provides. Yes, they are definitely playing with hell fire as you noted, but you go for the Mass and the sacraments to a certainly valid priest - NO priests that were not conditionally ordained by an SSPX bishop are the exception, not the rule - so yes, you do need to watch out for that.   

    But I have never heard heresy or error from the pulpit, their Masses are always done well, and their counseling in confession has always been very good, soundly Catholic.


    Would that life be so simple that it was only about the Sacraments.
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    Re: Get me up to speed on the SSPX, please
    « Reply #8 on: Today at 10:45:07 AM »
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    • Quote from: TomGubbinsKimmage on Today at 10:26:42 AM

    Would that life be so simple that it was only about the Sacraments.
    The law of prayer is the law of faith, and the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is the perfect expression of the Catholic Faith. You can cope and seethe all you want, but the Mass said by a Catholic priest is just that..his opinion on the Crisis is irrelevant. The neo-SSPX, Resistance, sedevacantist, and independent priests are all dispensers of the Sacraments. That is their job. 
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    Re: Get me up to speed on the SSPX, please
    « Reply #9 on: Today at 12:24:58 PM »
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    • As I may have said before, I attend this SSPX chapel for the Mass and Sacrament of Penance.  I am not a "joiner", by nature.  The pastor has already warned me about the new Rite of Ordination.  Whatever capitulating they've done on behalf of Rome, is unfortunate, but doesn't concern me now.  I survived 50+ years of the Novus Ordo.
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    • Quote from: TomGubbinsKimmage on Today at 10:26:08 AM

    Good priests dont feel the need to attack good bishops in public.
    Now the NeoSSPX crowd would say to you about resistance priests with regards to Bishop Fellay: “Good priests dont feel the need to attack good bishops in public.”

    It is of course the errors being attacked and never the person.

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    • Quote from: WorldsAway on Today at 10:45:07 AM
    The law of prayer is the law of faith, and the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is the perfect expression of the Catholic Faith. You can cope and seethe all you want, but the Mass said by a Catholic priest is just that..his opinion on the Crisis is irrelevant. The neo-SSPX, Resistance, sedevacantist, and independent priests are all dispensers of the Sacraments. That is their job.
    Faith (doctrine) is primary; the sacraments flow from it.

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    • Quote from: JeanBaptistedeCouetus on Today at 12:29:30 PM
    Faith (doctrine) is primary; the sacraments flow from it.
    Right. And a Catholic priest saying the Mass is a perfect expression of the Faith. His opinion on the Crisis only has the influence on you that you allow it to have.

    If you and Tom believe you have such weak faith that it would be "compromised" by attending a neoSSPX mass, then by all means stay away. But please, stop projecting
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    • Quote from: JeanBaptistedeCouetus on Today at 12:26:47 PM
    Now the NeoSSPX crowd would say to you about resistance priests with regards to Bishop Fellay: “Good priests dont feel the need to attack good bishops in public.”

    It is of course the errors being attacked and never the person.


    Except Bishop Fellay and the SSPX bishops are not good anymore.

    By attacking the resistance Bishops you are saying there are no Catholic Bishops left.

    Thats the problem.
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    • Quote from: WorldsAway on Today at 12:44:54 PM
    Right. And a Catholic priest saying the Mass is a perfect expression of the Faith. His opinion on the Crisis only has the influence on you that you allow it to have.

    If you and Tom believe you have such weak faith that it would be "compromised" by attending a neoSSPX mass, then by all means stay away. But please, stop projecting


    Protecting your faith is not something you have a choice about it.

    You are obliged to do it. Whether you "feel" it or not.

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