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Offline thebloodycoven

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Why The SSPX Is Wrong On The Heresy Letter
« on: May 19, 2019, 07:04:43 AM »
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    • An excellent refutation of the SSPX's commentary of the 'Letter' from Mundabor's blog. You guys are not the "only game in town". Although it's wrong on many levels, but perhaps the best part of this commentary is the irony in the following statements:

    "This Open Letter is a waste of time—an action producing little effect, the fruit of a legitimate indignation but which falls into excess, at the risk of lessening its good influence...“What to do?”, some ask. Without parochialism or misplaced pride, we can say there is an example to follow, that of the Athanasius of modern times—Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre.[?!]"

    :facepalm:

    I digress. Here is the link to the SSPX commentary: https://sspx.ca/en/news-events/news/regarding-open-letter-bishops-catholic-church-47886

    Below is Mundabor's blog post and link:



    Why The SSPX Is Wrong On The Heresy Letter

    The SSPX has issued a statement on the letter, mentioned here many times, calling for the Bishops to invite Francis to recant his many heresies or depose him. The letter is very critical. I think it is, also, a big mistake.

    The Society obviously points out to the many heresies of this Pontificate. They stress the point that Francis is the result of a movement, V II, that has been going on for decades. But then they condemn the letter based on the argument that the chances of success are non-existent, and the recipient Bishops not instructed enough and not willing to act anyway.

    With this reasoning, my question to the SSPX is why they, themselves, think that they should exist in the first place. The probability of the College of Cardinals (much less the Bishops of the world) converting to Traditional Catholicism are even smaller than the probability of them accusing the Pope of heresy.

    If it is enough to pray and do nothing, awaiting for God to change the situation, then the SSPX might as well disband and explain to all their followers that ” it is highly probable, even certain, that the vast majority of bishops will not react” to their invitation of throwing away Vatican II’ s innovations.

    Not can the SSPX say, in their defence, that they act hoping that future generations will come back to sanity; because this is exactly what the signatories of the letter are doing.

    The basic principle, that utterly escapes the authors of the letter, is that things are done because they are right. The probability of success is neither here nor there. I cannot imagine Athanasius, or the French Partisans fighting against nαzι occupation, or many fighters in many wars, physical and spiritual, thinking of the “probability of success” as the decisive element to decide whether to fight or not.

    When Archbishop Lefebvre refused to shut down his seminary, or when he appointed his bishops, he did so because it was the right thing to do. This was the guiding light behind decisions that were, in a way, new in the history of the Church. But if we look at the world, though, we can’t certainly say that the SSPX has been ” a success”, as almost fifty years later the Church has become only more corrupt. Shall we, then, say, concerning the SSPX, that “the failure of such an initiative has ridiculed the author (Lefebvre) and his cause”    ?

    Certainly not.

    You do what you have to do. If the result is zero in this day and age, heaven will still notice the action. Besides, all these initiative are like a leaven that, by God’s grace, will bring results one day.
    One day, history will record that courageous voices were raised to demand action for the astonishing spectacle of a heretical Pope. They will know that not everybody was silent, and not everybody was ready to accept the inaction of the Bishops as acceptable. They will know that the signatories of the letter, together with all their sympathizers, wanted to expose the shame of their bishops’ inaction for all future generations to see. They will know that such initiatives want to give a testimony that the Church is indefectible and, whatever the troubles, those staying true to the true faith will always be there.

    This is, once again, the reasoning underpinning the very existence of the SSPX. That they criticise it, and even go as far as to say that this initiative “might ridicule the authors and their cause”, is deeply unfortunate and should, if you ask me, be cause for deep embarrassment inside the organistion.

    The SSPX should not criticise this letter. They should have been the ones who issued it.
    Not with any hope of “success”, of course. But in order to give testimony to future generations of the fight of the faithful, and the shame of the hirelings.

    https://mundabor.wordpress.com/2019/05/19/why-the-sspx-is-wrong-on-the-heresy-letter/
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    Offline SeanJohnson

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    Re: Why The SSPX Is Wrong On The Heresy Letter
    « Reply #1 on: May 19, 2019, 07:36:40 AM »
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    •  :applause:

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    Offline Meg

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    Re: Why The SSPX Is Wrong On The Heresy Letter
    « Reply #2 on: May 19, 2019, 08:14:08 AM »
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    • I agree that it is an excellent refutation. It would have been good to see someone in the Resistance write something like it, but no one has, that I know of.

    It's like Mundabor understands +ABL, and is not embarrassed by his actions, as the SSPX now are. The wimpy SSPX are not really a player anymore in standing up for the Truths of the Catholic faith, like +ABL did. Others instead, like Mundabor, have taken up that task.  
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    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
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    Re: Why The SSPX Is Wrong On The Heresy Letter
    « Reply #3 on: May 19, 2019, 01:30:43 PM »
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    • That was excellent.

    It is true the SSPX looks like fools for NOT having written it.

    Meg brings up a good point - none of the Resistance bishops did it either. Oops.
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    Re: Why The SSPX Is Wrong On The Heresy Letter
    « Reply #4 on: May 19, 2019, 03:06:05 PM »
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    • A resistance priest is privately chastising me because he thinks Mundabor's blog post is an endorsement of sedevacantism, and that neither myself nor any Resistance should be applauding it!

    I note that his native language is not English.

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    Re: Why The SSPX Is Wrong On The Heresy Letter
    « Reply #5 on: May 19, 2019, 03:27:16 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on May 19, 2019, 03:06:05 PM
    A resistance priest is privately chastising me because he thinks Mundabor's blog post is an endorsement of sedevacantism, and that neither myself nor any Resistance should be applauding it!

    I note that his native language is not English.

    I think we got it straightened out now, since I sent him this quote from Mundabor:

    "But really, man: sedevacantism is just plain stupid. To face reality is always preferable to inventing a parallel one."

    https://mundabor.wordpress.com/heretical-popes/
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    Re: Why The SSPX Is Wrong On The Heresy Letter
    « Reply #6 on: May 19, 2019, 04:17:01 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on May 19, 2019, 03:27:16 PM
    I think we got it straightened out now, since I sent him this quote from Mundabor:

    "But really, man: sedevacantism is just plain stupid. To face reality is always preferable to inventing a parallel one."

    https://mundabor.wordpress.com/heretical-popes/

    Thanks for posting the above info. I've followed Mundabor's blog for years, and don't recall seeing him supporting sedevacantism. He's been very clear for many years that he is NOT happy with Pope Francis - AKA, the "evil clown." I think that has something to do with his criticism of the SSPX letter. 
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    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Why The SSPX Is Wrong On The Heresy Letter
    « Reply #7 on: May 19, 2019, 04:21:16 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on May 19, 2019, 03:06:05 PM
    A resistance priest is privately chastising me because he thinks Mundabor's blog post is an endorsement of sedevacantism, and that neither myself nor any Resistance should be applauding it!

    I note that his native language is not English.

    Is the Resistance priest supportive of the SSPX letter, then?
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    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Why The SSPX Is Wrong On The Heresy Letter
    « Reply #8 on: May 19, 2019, 04:42:18 PM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on May 19, 2019, 04:21:16 PM
    Is the Resistance priest supportive of the SSPX letter, then?

    I'm not really sure.

    I think if he understood English, he would not.

    We gave up trying to communicate (through translation machines) with each other an hour ago.
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    Re: Why The SSPX Is Wrong On The Heresy Letter
    « Reply #9 on: May 19, 2019, 04:52:27 PM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on May 19, 2019, 04:17:01 PM
    Thanks for posting the above info. I've followed Mundabor's blog for years, and don't recall seeing him supporting sedevacantism. He's been very clear for many years that he is NOT happy with Pope Francis - AKA, the "evil clown." I think that has something to do with his criticism of the SSPX letter.
    But where does he stand on the other Novus Ordo popes?  
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    Re: Why The SSPX Is Wrong On The Heresy Letter
    « Reply #10 on: May 19, 2019, 07:14:24 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on May 19, 2019, 03:27:16 PM
    I think we got it straightened out now, since I sent him this quote from Mundabor:

    "But really, man: sedevacantism is just plain stupid. To face reality is always preferable to inventing a parallel one."

    https://mundabor.wordpress.com/heretical-popes/
    Nothing like a little virtue signaling to keep all your political allies happy.
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    Re: Why The SSPX Is Wrong On The Heresy Letter
    « Reply #11 on: May 19, 2019, 07:27:58 PM »
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    • Quote from: Clemens Maria on May 19, 2019, 07:14:24 PM
    Nothing like a little virtue signaling to keep all your political allies happy.
    Glad you got the message.
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