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  • Here are Fr.Paul Kramer's remarks with regards to Gerard's character. Link below and copy of Fr.Kramer's comments.

    https://www.facebook.com/paul.kramer.1023611?fref=nf


    Gerard is mentally incapable of engaging in disciplined, systematic theological discussion. He replies to properly formulated arguments with mere dogmatic assertions which do not directly address the point demonstrated in the argument presented to him; and with mere ad hominem statements which underscore his incapacity to engage in rational discussion by means of systematically reasoned arguments. Gerard gratuitously pontificates like a self appointed authority, with a great profusion of assertions which are based on merely assumed and unstated premises; with no attempt made to systematically demonstrate his position with reasoned argumentation that directly addresses the point that has been presented to him. Thus, his arguments are without logical foundation, and are easily shown by one with a classical scholastic theological academic training to be fallacious and erroneous. Yet, he obstinately clings to his unfounded and unproven opinions even when the flawed logic of his thinking has been plainly put before him; and he continues to insist that he is right,and that the correctness of his strongly held opinions is demonstrated and underscored by the force of his adamantly repeated assertions. His lack of formal, systematic theological training is patent in every one of the multitude of errant comments he asserts with a bold self assurance that betrays himself to be utterly oblivious of his own intellectual incompetence. It is a fools chore to argue with one who flaunts in such a crass manner, an immense ignorance and bigotry, thinly disguised as erudition by means of elaborations of profuse verbosity which unravel when subjected to the scrutiny of critical examination.


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    « Reply #1 on: June 02, 2016, 03:40:41 AM »
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  • I wish to add previous comments of Fr.Paul Kramer. Link and copy below, Response of Fr.Kramer in Blue

    https://www.facebook.com/paul.kramer.1023611/posts/1219258368119572


    As expected, Gerard (of Fish Eaters) pontificates a load of codswallop which betrays a woeful lack of formal theological formation. A dolt indeed -- who spouts effusions of logically flawed empty hot air; and with the maximum stupidity thinks that his knuckleheaded pontifications will effect the result that, "Fr, Kramer will have his argument destroyed." (LOL) My dear Gerard: As my high school teacher, Sr. Concetta used to say, "It is better to be thought a fool than to speak and end all doubt."

    1) ?The deceitful sophistry is pretending one of the most dangerous councils in the history of the Church which is known as the "Concilliarists" council in which the attempt to hobble the papacy was manifested actually does bind the papacy.?

    The deceitful sophistry consists in Gerard's private judgment which, in a desperate attempt to undermine its authority, rails against a duly papally ratified ecuмenical council of the Catholic Church that has been generally accepted by the Church throughout the Catholic world.

    2) ?The cute trick is misleading people into thinking that Martin V ratified the heresy of Conciliarism which put Councils above Popes. ?

    Gerard, in the manner of heretics, gives more weight to his own private judgments against the Council of Constance than the universal acceptance by the Church of those acts of that Council which were duly ratified. Gerard, who like Luther pronouncing the Epistle of St. James to be an "epistle of straw", rails against the judgment of the Church which accepts the authority of that Council's ratified decrees, privately judging its doctrines to be dubious (!): he speaks of "Council of Constance and it's dubious assertions."

    However, his assertion that I engage in "misleading people into thinking that Martin V ratified the heresy of Conciliarism which put Councils above Popes[,]" is an outright, gratuitous falsehood which reveals him to be a malicious and sacrilegious bold faced liar.

    NEITHER MARTIN V NOR EUGENE IV RATIFIED ANYTHING THAT PUTS COUNCILS ABOVE POPES, AND I HAVE SAID NOTHING THAT EVEN REMOTELY SUGGESTS SUCH A THING. GERARD IS A SACRILEGIOUS SLANDERER OF PRIESTS.


    3) ? And the convenience by which all of that conciliar intrigue is glossed over . . .?

    Scurrilous off point objection: Conciliar intrigue has no bearing whatsoever on the doctrinal authority of the ratified acts of a council.
    This, as we shall see, is the fatal logical defect of nearly all of Gerard's arguments: "scurrilitas quae ad rem non pertinent" (Eph. 5:4).


    4) ?Actually Gregory XII was accepted as the legitimate Pope. The Council was reconvened under his authority as condition of his resignation. It's the authority of Gregory XII that allows for the legitimate election of Martin V.?

    OFF POINT! What has this to do with the authority of the papal approbation of the ratified decrees of the Council? NOTHING! A Florentine's reply to such stupidity would be: "Cosa c'entra il culo colle quarant'ore?" (Literally translated, "What has my arse to do with the Forty Hours Devotion?")

    5) ?Ecuмenical Councils require papal authority for convocation, direction and confirmation. The authority to elect Pope Martin didn't come retroactively from Pope Martin. It was given by Pope Gregory and affirmed by Martin.?

    OFF POINT. The authority to elect Martin V, or how, or by whom the Council was convoked, are utterly irrelevant to the matter under discussion. What matters only is that Martin V and Eugene IV were legitimate popes who ratified most of the acts of the Council, and that those acts have been generally accepted throughout the Church ever since.

    6) ?Anti-Pope John XXIII who originally called the council had fled and was deposed and Benedict XII never submitted to being deposed.?

    Again, Sig. Gerardo -- "Cosa c'entra il culo colle quarant'ore?"

    7) ?[N]either Martin nor Eugene ever intended to acknowledge the superiority of a council over the pope. (See Hefele, Conciliengeschichte, I, 50-54)" ?

    There is no end to this dolt's scurrilous outbursts. Gerard doltishly confuses authority which a council can never exercise over a reigning pontiff, with the doctrinal authority which a duly ratified council can bind popes and the whole Church in perpetuity. The DOCTRINE that the traditional rites are binding on all popes has been repeatedly taught throughout Church history, as I have amply demonstrated in my book, The ѕυιcιdє of Altering the Faith in the Liturgy.

    8) ?It should be that much more embarrassing that this "dolt" is telling the truth and Fr. Kramer the "genius" is simply an intellectual slob. He makes up history where he sees fit and spreads heresy to support his political agenda.?

    After all the scurrilous sophistry and stupidity Gerard has presented in his off point rants, he then has the sacrilegious effrontery to call a Roman educated priest with multiple ecclesiastical degrees "an intellectual slob", "who makes up history, and spreads heresy to support his political agenda".
    Gerard is guilty of public sacrilege for graruitously vilifying a priest and falsely accusing him of heresy. What heretical proposition have I professed? He doesn't say. (Let him produce a direct verbatim quotation of my heresy!) It does not exist. He is therefore to be considered a public sinner to be deprived of receiving Holy Communion, as is set forth in can. 915 of the Code of Canon Law.


    9) The lenghty quotation of Mediator Dei is totally off point. No Catholic denies the pope's authority to regulate the liturgy, but no Catholic may deny the dogma founded on scripture * which teaches that the Catholic conscience is bound, and the pope in particular is BOUND to the traditional rites; and it is HERESY to say that any pope may abolish the traditional rites, and change them into new rites.

    10) The remainder of Gerard's observations consist of nothing but off point comments, and abusive personal insults which reveal his state of mind as that of a Narcissistic megalonaniac wretch who is possessed of the pathological obsession to win an argument -- even to the point of heretically denying a dogma of faith in pursuit of his ignoble purpose -- so that "Fr. Kramer, will have his argument destroyed".

    * 1 Cor. 11:23 - 24, ff. - ? ego enim accepi a Domino quod et tradidi vobis quoniam Dominus Iesus in qua nocte tradebatur accepit panem
    et gratias agens fregit et dixit hoc est corpus meum pro vobis hoc facite in meam commemorationem " . . .?




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    « Reply #2 on: June 02, 2016, 03:51:23 AM »
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  • Additional comment of Fr.Kramer with regards to his pronouncement that Gerard of FE is a Public Sinner

    Fr.Kramer's comments below:


    Gerard is a public sinner guilty of sacrilege for falsely accusing a priest of heresy -- and yes, I do have the theological competence to make that judgment. No jurisdiction is required for a priest with pontifical degrees to condemn the sins of evildoers.

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    « Reply #3 on: June 02, 2016, 06:31:10 AM »
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  • Thank you for working through this, Servus Pius, with Fr. Kramer. This interminable drivel of GFE had to be stopped (not that, knowing him, it will actually "stop" him).  If you go to down thumb him you get a defensive query asking why you don't pray for him instead (as though you aren't...).  When I asked him a while back if he was a "plant" - an infiltrator - (he is no trad) - what I got from him in return was a spittle-laden tissue of insults.  He is at least of bad will - which actually is the nicest thing you can say about him.

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    « Reply #4 on: June 02, 2016, 08:39:35 AM »
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  • As an impartial observer, never having read anything by GFE or Fr. Kramer on the subject they are discussing (what is the subject?), this entire thread is an ad-hominem attack. Stick to the subject, whatever it is.
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    « Reply #5 on: June 02, 2016, 09:14:26 AM »
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  • Quote from: Last Tradhican
    As an impartial observer, never having read anything by GFE or Fr. Kramer on the subject they are discussing (what is the subject?), this entire thread is an ad-hominem attack. Stick to the subject, whatever it is.



    I refer you to this Thread: Bishop Williamson - May 19, 2016, try to start at around page 30.  This thread has been a Hot thread for sometime now, I'm surprised you didn't follow it.

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    « Reply #6 on: June 02, 2016, 09:20:23 AM »
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  • Quote from: Merry
    Thank you for working through this, Servus Pius, with Fr. Kramer. This interminable drivel of GFE had to be stopped (not that, knowing him, it will actually "stop" him).  If you go to down thumb him you get a defensive query asking why you don't pray for him instead (as though you aren't...).  When I asked him a while back if he was a "plant" - an infiltrator - (he is no trad) - what I got from him in return was a spittle-laden tissue of insults.  He is at least of bad will - which actually is the nicest thing you can say about him.


    Thank you for your kind comments Merry.  Your experience with Gerard reinforces the fact that he is a deeply conceited person.  He thinks he is always right while others are always wrong even when arguing against a well trained Traditionalist Priest such as Fr.Kramer.

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    « Reply #7 on: June 02, 2016, 09:20:27 AM »
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  • Quote from: Last Tradhican
    As an impartial observer, never having read anything by GFE or Fr. Kramer on the subject they are discussing (what is the subject?), this entire thread is an ad-hominem attack. Stick to the subject, whatever it is.


    In a nutshell,  Gerard is legitimizing and exonerating the Novus Ordo, and Fr. Kramer is/was opposing him.  Fr. Kramer, like most of us, has quickly realized that Gerard is of ill-will, and his only goal is to "win" the argument, by any means possible.

    An impartial observer would be wise to review what has been said previously.

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    « Reply #8 on: June 02, 2016, 09:52:19 AM »
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  • I enjoy a spirited discussion just as much as the next guy.  And while I understand that Fr. Kramer may have been crass at times in his replies to Gerard, I also understand why he was.  I was always taught to converse with respect and measured tones when speaking with a priest, even if the priest was wrong, crass, verbally abusive, or even heretical in his position.  This is out of respect, if not for the person, then certainly for the office.

    I wonder, however, if during this entire exchange, how Gerard would fare here if, instead of Fr. Kramer, the priest in question was another resistance priest, such as Fr. Voigt, or Fr. Zendajas.

    Gerard has been nothing if not energetic in arguing that old women and others can go to the New Mass, that it's not sinful, etc.  If that's his position, and he wants to defend it, that's one thing.  My problem, and clearly the problem of many on this board, is that Gerard goes much further than that.  He lays the foundation that the revolution itself is legitimate.  But he doesn't do this systematically, logically.  He contradicts what his opponent says, inserts his own opinion and presents it as a fact, adds a number of additional points that divide and perry the opposition's response, and then does it again, and again, and again, overwhelming most normal people's time and patience.  The majority on this board will make our case, argue and banter back and forth, and then move on.  Gerard, on the other hand, doesn't do this.  He's relentless in his exonerating the revolution.

    My concern is that after reading Gerard's posts, his arguments that the Novus Ordo is simply "weak" yet absolutely legitimate, that Paul VI and Bugnini had "good intentions", that ecuмenism is Catholic, that modernism isn't a heresy, etc., he presents a serious danger to the weak-willed or neophyte trad.  Many here clearly see through his arguments and his mode of arguing and write him off.  Over time, however, this board will change, and Gerard has made no effort to hide the fact that this is his intention.


     



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    « Reply #9 on: June 02, 2016, 10:00:04 AM »
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  • Well, based on my experience with Father Kramer here on CI, one could easily replace "Gerard" with "Father Kramer" in Father Kramer's own criticisms of Gerard.

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    Father(?) Kramer is mentally incapable of engaging in disciplined, systematic theological discussion. He replies to properly formulated arguments with mere dogmatic assertions which do not directly address the point demonstrated in the argument presented to him; and with mere ad hominem statements which underscore his incapacity to engage in rational discussion by means of systematically reasoned arguments. Father(?) Kramer gratuitously pontificates like a self appointed authority, with a great profusion of assertions which are based on merely assumed and unstated premises; with no attempt made to systematically demonstrate his position with reasoned argumentation that directly addresses the point that has been presented to him. ...

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    « Reply #10 on: June 02, 2016, 10:06:10 AM »
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  • Quote from: Servus Pius
    Additional comment of Fr.Kramer with regards to his pronouncement that Gerard of FE is a Public Sinner

    Fr.Kramer's comments below:


    Gerard is a public sinner guilty of sacrilege for falsely accusing a priest of heresy -- and yes, I do have the theological competence to make that judgment. No jurisdiction is required for a priest with pontifical degrees to condemn the sins of evildoers.


    1) this assumes that Father(?) Kramer is actually a priest

    2) anyone can charge someone else of having made a heretical proposition ... now whether the person has committed a sin of heresy is a matter of the internal forum, and whether someone has been guilty of the crime of heresy is a juridical matter.

    He's always bragging about his Novus Ordo "pontifical degrees", which aren't worth the paper they're printed on.  And it's a good thing that no jurisdiction is required, since Father doesn't have any.  So it's OK for Father Kramer to consider Gerard a public sinner because of aforementioned degrees, but not OK for Gerard to say that he's made a heretical utterance.


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    « Reply #11 on: June 02, 2016, 10:34:11 AM »
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  • I concur 100% with Ladislaus' last two comments about Fr. Kramer.

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    « Reply #12 on: June 02, 2016, 11:01:16 AM »
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  • If you remove Father Kramer from the debate, all that has been credited to Gerard is all true. So let us not be diverted simply because another person, priest or no, has put forth his opinions.

    The fellow is not a Traditional Catholic. He has proven over many pages and months that he is a dedicated conciliar/indult apologist and determined to inject the modernist conciliar narrative into the discussion and undermine the principals  which Traditional Catholic have put in place to expose the New religion and its false ritual, and more importantly to protect Tradition itself from the revolutionary ideas and practices of the false council.

    Add to that the fact that he has been abusive and downright nasty to anyone who does not accept his propositions. You will also notice in his recent posts that he is quite proud of how he does things and enjoys doing them.

    Anyone who disputes this can inspect the Mohopac thread and other where he has posted and see that this is by and large a true description.

    He is a very disruptive character.


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    « Reply #13 on: June 02, 2016, 11:05:37 AM »
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  • I concur 100% with J.Paul's last comment.

    Ladislaus, Fr. Kramer has his issues.  And a lot of them.  But the issue here on CI is Gerard and his clear antagonism towards tradition and those who disagree with him.
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    « Reply #14 on: June 02, 2016, 11:30:57 AM »
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  • Yes IHSV- and specifically his modernist attack on the True Mass and his defense of the Novus Ordo.  Consistent, relentless, mindless. The temptation he is to the weak or ill-informed, as you have said, to keep them in or attending the Novus Ordo... showing up like a giant glom of a wet  blanket to take over this or that thread with his errors, and apparently not to be stopped.  It made you wonder - not so much that he evidently had enormous amounts of free time, but that it was allowed.  Guess he had no audience at Fish Eaters. May God have mercy on us all.  Jesus, meek and humble of Heart ....