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They already removed Fr. Fahey's works, didn't they? I don't pay that much attention to their catalog, but if anyone does, have they noticed more of this trend? And like MC says, has anyone called to see if they're just out of stock?

I checked earlier and whilst nothing comes up in the search box of the Angelus Press website, they do list The Kingship of Christ and Organised Naturalism under books on Social Doctrine.

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Well, I just phoned Angelus press. All that the rather nervous-sounding young man on the phone could tell me is that I Accuse the Council is out of stock and they therefore removed it from their website. He said that he could not offer any time-frame for when they would be printing more and recommended that I contact Society chapels with bookstores near me to see if I can get a copy from them. I did not get the impression that it will be reprinted any time soon since he said it has not been scheduled for a reprinting at this time.

I may try following-up with the editor Mr. Vogel, although I was met with stony silence the last time I wrote to him (complaining about the over-the-top "nαzιsm is the worse evil ever in the history of the universe" articles by some German chap) so I am not overly optimistic I'll get a response.

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I have now emailed Mr. Vogel, the editor of Angelus Press (also of "Against the Rumours" fame). We'll see what response, if any, I receive.

Angelus Press has an e-book available, called The Catechism of the Crisis in
the Church by Fr. Matthias Gaudron, translated from German, revised and
edited by the Dominican Fathers of Avrille (aren't they the ones whom +Fellay
punished by not ordaining their deacons in June?)

Is anyone familiar with both, this and I Accuse the Council, so as to say
what's in the latter that would be more objectionable for a making a "deal" ?

Why don't they make I Accuse the Council available by e-book?!
They might sell MORE of them that way!! Isn't it all about selling copy??



Maybe +Fellay made a "deal" already, something he forgot to mention at the
General Chapter (he said he "shared everything," but that doesn't necessarily
mean he explained all the verbal communication he has had with Rome). He may
have agreed, for example, to not re-print that objectionable book. And then he
may have instructed Angelus Press that not only is it not to be reprinted, but
anyone who mentions that fact to the public will be fired without warning!

We ought to keep an eye on who gets fired from Angelus these days: they might
be a wealth of information!

The problem is still this: even if they removed the offending CD (which they didn't), they still have the post-Vatican II Solesmes recordings (all of them on Angelus Press), Gregorian Chant done a la Novus Ordo, with Dom Claire directing (Introit having not Gloria Patri, the Alleluia Chant having only two Alleluias, and on the Requiem Mass CD, no Dies Irae, etc.). Now I find nothing wrong with the Solesmes singing (probably except their nasality), but it gives the impression that the SSPX are tolerant toward certain Novus Ordo groups.

Thanks, QVP, I didn't know this Solemnes CD is missing things:
~ Introit has no Gloria Patri
~ Alleluia chant has only two alleluias, instead of three
~ Requiem Mass CD has no Dies irae

But you have "etc" after that. Is there more??

What about the other propers: are they changed, like the Collect/Prayer (if it has
Introit there must be Collect too), or Graduale or Offertory or Communion/Post
Communion? Anything else? I'd like to know without finding one to figure it out.

I'm saying all the modern Solesmes recordings (all of Angelus Press offerings of Solesmes are modern) follow the Novus Ordo propers, with those things I mentioned peculiar to the Novus Ordo. "Etc." means, among other things, using different propers. Not that I mind (some are more ancient than some of the one in the older rite), but it makes for more options, and the last thing we need is more options. And also they follow a newer Solesmes interpretation, as distinguished from the classic Solesmes (exemplified in the Schola Bellarmina and older Benedictine recordings).

Okay. I guess that's all right. I was hoping you might be able to easily list the
differences, but if not, I can deal with it. I might have to ask some people I know
who are involved with the Novus Ordo music. I'm reluctant to do that because it
usually results in an argument!

But you say they use a "different interpretation." Can you provide any clues as to
what that is, for example? It's a musical interpretation, I would presume.

Do they use a faster tempo? Is their phrasing different? Do they end their phrases
with a loud volume, and make abrupt cut-offs? Do they give the individual neums
a more constant time value, or a less consistent time value? Do they somehow
introduce a pop-style to the lyric melody, or use harmony?

I get the feeling that they might use Chantacleer-type idioms.

One problem I have with the Schola Bellarmina is they always (almost) use an
organ accompaniment. This is technically incorrect for Gregorian Chant. I know it
helps them to stay in tune, but there are other techniques to keep intonation
accurate: especially that of the proper forming of the TONE in each voice, which
then done well, evokes perfect adherence to pitch, even over a long chant of
several minutes' duration. But the Schola does not adhere to this principle, nor
are they willing to learn it, apparently. It seems to be an element of pride there.

But their overall product is pretty good, otherwise.

Thank you for your help!

Thanks. I'll check into that. I appreciate the clues!

I know some young people who are interested in learning Chant and I'd like to
know what references to cite, if necessary. You can hardly tell them that so-and-so
of a local parish is a good Chant master, because they are getting pretty scarce
these days, and the misinformed are establishing a kind of "new tradition." It
seems to me that we are seeing the demise of Gregorian Chant art in our own
generation.

BTW I hope you will find a few minutes to respond in the Resistance sub-forum on
your old thread I pulled up, on the Jєωs.

We really need to stop giving any credence to the Bastardized chant of the Nefarious Ordo.... it's just plain offensive!  

The monastic apostate choir of Solesmes!  

Catholics don't sell Catholics modern recordings from "Solesmes".

Nefarious Ordo recordings from the formerly Catholic "monastery" of Solesmes is more offensive than Christmas Carols from the Mormon Tabernacle Choir.

Our Lady of  La Salette, Ora Pro Nobis!

For all those "sermons" about staying off internet fora, Menzigen seems to be watching them like a hawk.

We have noticed that hypocrisy as well. I was told by a reliable source that Fr. Duverger (assistant to Fr. Rostand) who visited their chapel recently, said in a sermon that he spends many hours every day scanning the internet for talk of the SSPX on forums etc..- Shocking! If you are in the right and you know it- why would you need to know what is being said? Normally those following God's Will have the security to do what is right and not spend time looking over their shoulder to see what the opposition is doing. Why this obsession with silencing the opposition?

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For all those "sermons" about staying off internet fora, Menzigen seems to be watching them like a hawk.

We have noticed that hypocrisy as well. I was told by a reliable source that Fr. Duverger (assistant to Fr. Rostand) who visited their chapel recently, said in a sermon that he spends many hours every day scanning the internet for talk of the SSPX on forums etc..- Shocking! If you are in the right and you know it - why would you need to know what is being said? Normally those following God's Will have the security to do what is right and not spend time looking over their shoulder to see what the opposition is doing. Why this obsession with silencing the opposition?

It's right out of Rules for Radicals.
Silence the opposition, suppress resistance, eliminate your opponents.
Then have an election.

Think of it as one of the "errors of Russia" that OLF warned against.