Author Topic: Geocentrism? Why is that part of the Resistance movement? (Read 58709 times)

icterus · « **Reply #295 on:** February 17, 2014, 04:52:02 PM »

Some people may even believe you. I do not, because I can read, and I can see the thread you were making with the Exo Vaticana nonsense.

So, feel free to plead your case to the internet.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #296 on:** February 18, 2014, 02:32:21 AM »

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In case some members may have forgotten the topic, it was this:

Geocentrism? Why is that part of the Resistance movement?

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Yeah, I think that kind of results in transforming catholics into people who see the faith as something that doesn't really apply to the material world, but rather is confined to the spiritual. This, of course, is much more consistent with the protestant disbelief in transubstantiation, than it is with the traditional catholic belief in the real presence. And naturally, this results in "sunday catholics" or what are often referred to as "hypocrites."

Very well said, Renzo. After viewing The Principle yesterday and having an extended meeting with its Producer, I was delighted to have heard him explain how the Catholic Church alone has a most beautiful harmony of spiritual truth and corporal reality. It is the only religion that offers a healthy balance of the two at the same time, which is, in fact, analogous to the hypostatic union of the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity.

Anyone calling himself "Catholic" who does not carry his Sunday faith all through the week is engaging in a grave error, which only pleases the father of lies.

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That's neat! I didn't know it could be seen yet!

I didn't say it has been released. This was a private screening.

There have been other private screenings, and there will likely be more. That's part of the way they do promotional work. Especially with a controversial film like this one, where there are serious people with a serious dedication to NOT ALLOWING the movie to be shown to ANYONE. They want it destroyed. They want this topic forgotten.

It was the same thing with The Passion of the Christ, incidentally; and it is believed by key people who know what they're talking about that it is the same voyeuristic ilk of meddlers that were attempting to block the distribution of Mel Gibson's movie that are now trying to block the distribution of this one.

In fact, the problem could be a whole lot WORSE for this movie than it was with Mr. Gibson's, because back then, it was only the life of Our Lord, and His Passion that was at issue, with a minor adjustment (but an essential one). That adjustment was, to achieve the REMOVAL of the words, "HIS BLOOD BE UPON US AND UPON OUR CHILDREN." And in case you have forgotten, that very essential but ostensibly minor 'adjustment' was achieved when Mel had the words removed from the vernacular subtitles, even if the words, spoken in a foreign language by the actors who said them, were not removed from the film. For posterity's sake, I'd like to think the film editor technicians kept a few of the clippings that they removed, because they would be the stuff of a museum's treasures one fine day.

But now, it is a matter of not merely one portion of one scene, in one sentence (something anyone with a Bible can read in St. Matthew at xxvii. 25), but rather the intolerable part has now come out as the majority of the film.

--Even if the most powerful propositions were not mentioned. I'll leave that for your consideration.

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Neil Obstat · « **Reply #297 on:** February 18, 2014, 03:05:06 AM »

the stupid cement dried again......

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In case some members may have forgotten the topic, it was this:

Geocentrism? Why is that part of the Resistance movement?

Post

Quote from: Renzo

Quote from: Neil Obstat
Quote from: Renzo

Yeah, I think that kind of results in transforming catholics into people who see the faith as something that doesn't really apply to the material world, but rather is confined to the spiritual. This, of course, is much more consistent with the protestant disbelief in transubstantiation, than it is with the traditional catholic belief in the real presence. And naturally, this results in "sunday catholics" or what are often referred to as "hypocrites."

Very well said, Renzo. After viewing The Principle yesterday and having an extended meeting with its Producer, I was delighted to have heard him explain how the Catholic Church alone has a most beautiful harmony of spiritual truth and corporal reality. It is the only religion that offers a healthy balance of the two at the same time, which is, in fact, analogous to the hypostatic union of the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity.

Anyone calling himself "Catholic" who does not carry his Sunday faith all through the week is engaging in a grave error, which only pleases the father of lies.

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That's neat! I didn't know it could be seen yet!

I didn't say it has been released. This was a private screening.

There have been other private screenings, and there will likely be more. That's part of the way they do promotional work. Especially with a controversial film like this one, where there are serious people with a serious dedication to NOT ALLOWING the movie to be shown to ANYONE. They want it destroyed. They want this topic forgotten.

It was the same thing with The Passion of the Christ, incidentally; and it is believed by key people who know what they're talking about that it is the same voyeuristic ilk of meddlers that were attempting to block the distribution of Mel Gibson's movie that are now trying to block the distribution of this one. Mr. Gibson ran a spate of private screenings in advance of the distribution, which he showed to key promoters, for the sake of promotion. That's the way most successful movies are promoted before they're released. And Mr. De Lano obviously wants this movie to be successfully viewed by as wide an audience as possible, not for the sake of his own ego, but because he is on a quest. Mr. De Lano is a very open, outspoken and LIKEABLE man. And if he likes someone, he's not reluctant to SHOW it. I would go so far as to say that even more than the topic of the film and its objective (the announcement of recent discoveries of the CMB patterns and their UNDENIABLE ramifications for all of cosmology and science, to say the LEAST) the unabashed gregariousness of its Producer comes through unmistakably. Anyone who has not met Rick IRL will come away from this film having met him anyway, even if they're not aware of it.

But as I was saying about how Mr. De Lano is on a quest, since the Resistance is also on a quest, it stands to reason that wherever these two quests intersect, there would be a common interest.

This is why geocentrism is OF INTEREST TO (not "a part of") the Resistance.

Furthermore, to the extent that geocentrism is NOT OF INTEREST TO the XSPX, by extension, the INTERESTS of the Resistance are not shared by the XSPX.

This is a necessary conclusion, for the observable fact that there is a Catholic element to geocentrism, and conversely, there is no Catholic element to heliocentrism (much to the dismay of particular relentless posters, which see, even if they have no eyes with which to do so).

In fact, the problem could be a whole lot WORSE for this movie than it was with Mr. Gibson's, because back then, it was only the life of Our Lord, and His Passion that was at issue, with a minor adjustment (but an essential one). That adjustment was, to achieve the REMOVAL of the words, "HIS BLOOD BE UPON US AND UPON OUR CHILDREN." And in case you have forgotten, that very essential but ostensibly minor 'adjustment' was achieved when Mel had the words removed from the vernacular subtitles, even if the words, spoken in a foreign language by the actors who said them, were not removed from the film. For posterity's sake, I'd like to think the film editor technicians kept a few of the clippings that they removed, because they would be the stuff of a museum's treasures one fine day.

But now, it is a matter of not merely one portion of one scene, in one sentence (something anyone with a Bible can read in St. Matthew at xxvii. 25), but rather the intolerable part has now come out as the majority of the film.

--Even if the most powerful propositions were not mentioned. I'll leave that for your consideration.

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Neil Obstat · « **Reply #298 on:** February 18, 2014, 01:03:30 PM »

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Thread title and Question:

"Geocentrism? Why is that part of the Resistance movement?"

Answer:

Geocentrism is NOT "part of" the Resistance movement.

But geocentrism IS "of interest to" the Resistance movement, because both the pursuit of geocentrism today AND the Resistance movement are seeking the truth, AND that means these two entities (the pursuit of geocentrism and the Resistance movement) have a common interest, the seeking of the truth.

To the extent that geocentrism is NOT OF INTEREST TO the XSPX, by extension, the INTERESTS of the Resistance movement are not shared by the XSPX.

As my earlier post says (in response to the OP after my having viewed "The Principle" movie), there are so many ways of misunderstanding this topic.

There are so many ways of misunderstanding what the Copernican principle is and why it's important.

There are so many ways of misunderstanding what geocentrism is and its implications.

There are so many ways of being opposed to truth in regards to the movement or non-movement of the earth, sun, or any other physical body in the universe and the theory, philosophy, logic, and theology of same.

There are so many ways of misunderstanding these things that perhaps most people today who do misunderstand them do not do so intentionally, and therefore there is no way for man to judge their motives. There could be living saints today who do not understand these things. For everyone, the teachings of the Church should be our ROCK with a firm foundation (cf. Matt. vii. 24-25; Lk. vi. 48; Js. i. 22).

In his OP, apollo has practically nothing correct. And even when we read this thread's title (which, to make matters worse, the OP does not specifically address), there is an error in such a short question, inasmuch as geocentrism is not "a part of" the Resistance movement in the first place. Therefore asking the question, "Why is geocentrism a part of the Resistance movement?" leads to a non sequitur. There is no way to answer this question with any proposition that does not imply that something is amiss in either or both geocentrism and/or the Resistance. As Matthew has pointed out before, the Resistance is not essentially a "movement" but a STABILITY. It seeks the preservation of the Catholic Faith, and the Church outside of which there is no salvation.

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icterus · « **Reply #299 on:** February 18, 2014, 01:09:02 PM »

If you are equating the Copernican principle with the mediocrity principle, then you are simply assisting militant atheists and unbelievers in their quest, just like Bob Sungenis has done for decades.

Come out of this folly, Neil. Don't participate in this unholy blending of astronomy and religion. There are definitely ways to misunderstand and misapply the Copernican Principle, and one of those ways is the way of Bob Sungenis.