This is interesting.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/embed/Gr0R5oiIoak[/youtube]
This is the Chief Astronomer for the Vatican giving a talk on the history of astronomy and the church.
At the end he says about Carl Sagan
"Even an agnostic like Carl Sagan....If he believes in an abstract transcendent like truth, he believes in the same God I believe in. He's just not putting a name to it in the same way".
I've heard priests give talks about how evolution and relativity are in accord with catholicism and in the end, it all sounds like a lot bologna to me! But if you want to be a catholic who believes that stuff, be my guest. I just think it will ultimately damage your faith/the faith of your descendants, which would be a loss to the church.
If his God is the same 'God' Sagan believed in, that would explain a lot. Because Sagan believed in himself, primordially. He dined on primordial soup, and it coursed through his veins. If Bro. Guy donates blood to the Red Cross, I hope they do a checkup on it!
Bro. Consolmagno, S.J., talks about his own history more than he does the Church's. And when he touches on other astronomers' astronomical ideas that were almost correct, the ideas of Copernicus and Galileo (whom the Church condemned along with their ideas!) are not among them.
In fact, he says that Copernicus got it right, and so did Galileo. It might be fun to hear what Brother Guy has to say about The Principle. Maybe the Vatican should make a rebuttal movie! Then Brother Guy might get Person of the Year award for 2014!
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Later Neil said: The problem with the advent of these historical facts-in-the-offing is, IMHO, the devil is not going to sit still and "take it." He will most likely introduce some manner of distraction to get in the way of real progress, something like another big war or perhaps a little wayward plutoinum action, or the like.
Neil, I meant to post this in reply to your wondering what next from the Copernicans. as you know, Copernicanism paved the way for 'other worlds' 'other olanets like earth,' 'other intelligent creatures etc. Well the next attack will come when demond arrive disguised as aliens. already they are preparing the way.
http://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/B674_UFO.html
Vatican Approves UFOs
'The Aliens Are Our Brothers'
Dear Atila,
Salve Maria!
I believe you and TIA readers will be interested to know that the Vatican now is supporting the UFOs, according to the news reports below. I made a little research on the Internet and found these docuмents, whose value you may judge for yourself.
I gave the links to the sources so that you or anyone else can check the original docuмents. I also added links to the two principal Youtube interviews on the topic: one by Msgr. Corrado Balducci, a Vatican consultant on these matters; another by Fr. Gabriel Funes, the Chief Vatican Astronomer, whose Observatory is in the papal palace of Castelgandolfo.
Receive my best regards,
In Jesu et Maria,
Manoel Ricardo Fiuza, Brazil
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News report from 2000
Monsignor Balducci is a Vatican theologian and an insider close to the Pope. He has been featured on national Italian television numerous times stating that extraterrestrial contact is a real phenomenon and "not due to some psychological impairment."
In this testimony he explains that not only the general populace but also highly credible, cultured and educated people of high status are increasingly acknowledging that this is a real phenomenon. He goes on to speak about the extraterrestrial people as part of God’s Creation and affirm that they are neither angels nor devils. However, he affirms, they are probably more spiritually evolved.
Source here
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News reports from April 7, 2012
The Vatican tries to get a step ahead on Extraterrestrial issues before announcements by major world governments
The Vatican is playing a leading role preparing the world for disclosure about extraterrestrials.
There are few things that are sure bets in this life and one of them is that the Vatican would never have stepped out to tell the world that they believe extraterrestrials are real without emphatic proof or advance knowledge that some type of disclosure is imminent.
The Vatican is not a cutting edge group; it generally moves so slow that it is painful to much of the world's congregation. After all, this is the same organization that to this day does not allow women to be priests or any form of contraception. This is the same organization that forced Galileo to recant his findings and put him under house arrest for the remainder of his life for telling the world that the earth is not at the center of the universe.
Msgr. Corrado Balducci For the most part, the Vatican is stodgy, archaic, slow to move on major issues and generally behind the times. So what prompted them to move at lightening speed on the difficult issue of extraterrestrials life and full disclosure?
Well, they have been receiving information from their embassies that is hard to deny and they have attended a series of secret meetings in NYC at the UN that changed everything. Shortly after that, the Vatican gave the "Aliens Are My Brothers Interview," which should have made worldwide headlines, but it was typically played down by the mainstream media.
The Vatican’s new openness on extraterrestrial life is consistent with reports of secret discussions held at the United Nations that began in February 2008 and are still ongoing today. The Vatican’s permanent representative to the UN, Archbishop Celestino Migliore, was reported to have attended these meetings along with a number of other prominent government officials to discuss increasing UFO sightings and the implications of extraterrestrial visitations.
Significantly, Migliore's position requires that he maintain close relations with the Vatican's Pontifical Academy of Sciences. At the time of the secret UN discussions, Migliore made a presentation on moral issues associated with scientific problems such as climate change. Most importantly, the UN discussions reportedly led to a new policy of openness on UFOs that is being adopted by approximately 30 nations beginning in 2009 and culminating with a full disclosure of information to the world. This is extremely significant as there are approximately 22 nations that have begun full or partial disclosure!
For a full list of countries that have partially disclosed significant UFO or alien information, click here.
The meetings that the Vatican took part in with the UN in New York City were also attended by a host of US government agencies that downplayed the announcement. We can only speculate about the agencies involved and the content discussed. You can be sure it was blockbuster news because, shorty afterwards, both the UN and the Vatican came out with their startling announcements.
Source here
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Vatican Official Declares on National Television:
Extraterrestrial Contacts Are Real
Some things simply cannot be debunked as much as people would like, no matter how hard the debunkers try. Sometimes the truth just keeps rising to the surface, and this is one of those times.
Monsignor Corrado Balducci, a theologian member of the Vatican Curia, the governing body, and highly placed Vatican official who is close to the Pope, has been on Italian Television no less than five times stating that extraterrestrial contact is a real phenomena.
Balducci provided an analysis of extraterrestrials that he feels is consistent with the Catholic Church's understanding of theology. Monsignor Balducci emphasized that extraterrestrial encounters "are not demonic. They are not due to some psychological impairment. They are not a case of entity attachment, but rather these encounters deserve to be studied carefully." Since Monsignor Balducci is a demonology expert and consultant to the Vatican and since the Catholic Church has historically demonized many new phenomena that were poorly understood, his statement that the Church does not censure these encounters is all the more remarkable.
The bottom line is that the Vatican has moved lightening fast on the extremely difficult issue of extraterrestrials and religion; they have attended secret meetings at the UN on exactly this subject. They have also met in secret with a host of US officials, and, after evaluating all the information, they made their astounding announcement.
It really makes no difference if you believe that the Vatican and UN announcement is a prelude to a fαℓѕє fℓαg event or that it is real. One thing is for certain, some type of disclosure (probably partial or limited) is imminent and coming soon. It will be up to each person to decide on the authenticity of the actual announcement. The question becomes: Are we paying attention or are we asleep at the switch? We are all in for a Galileo Moment and those only come along every 200 to 300 years. Are you ready?
Source here
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Vatican States: 'Aliens Are Our Brothers,'
Interview with Religious Leaders on Aliens
In an interview entitled "Aliens Are My Brother" granted to L'Osservatore Romano, the Vatican newspaper, Father Gabriel Funes, director of the Vatican Observatory, stated: "In my opinion this possibility (of life on other planets) exists." He also stated that "intelligent beings, created by God may exist in outer space" and "some aliens could even be free from original sin," concluding that "there could be (other beings) who remained in full friendship with their creator".
Fr. Gabriel Funes, Vatican Astronomer Speaking about the search for Earth-like worlds about to be embarked upon with the Kepler Space telescope, Jesuit Brother Guy Consolmagno, another astronomer working at the Vatican Observatory, told the BBC, "We Jesuits are actively involved in the search for Earth-like planets.”
He continued, "The idea that there could be other intelligent creatures made by God in a relationship with God is not contrary to traditional ʝʊdɛօ-Christian thought. The Bible has many references to, or descriptions of, non-human intelligent beings; after all, that's what angels are. Our cousins on other planets may even have their own salvation story – including other examples of the incarnation of the second person of the Trinity. We are open to whatever the Universe has for us."
]TO WHICH ICTERUS REPLIED
Cassini, you protestant in sheep's clothing, you're quoting a bunch of crap from a protestant book:
Exo Vaticana - Anti-Catholic protestant doomsday bullcrap
This is the danger you run in hating the Pope...you eventually start the hate the Church. Your hatred blurs the lines and you become the heretic, promoting anti-Catholic protestant cօռspιʀαcιҽs.
You people often disgust me. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------It is my opinion, in answer to Neil asking what next, that exterrestrials will be the next con by the Copernicans on the human race.
What is Protestant about that Icterius?
Take for example evolutionism. The Catholic Church is thick with evolutionists since Pope Pius XII at least. The SSPX never utter a word against this heresy even though St Pius X totally condemned it as the cause of Modernism. For decades PROTESTANTS have led the fight against evolution. I joined the few Catholics active against evolution. Does this make us Protestants Icterius?
Now let us all take a look at the vile in blue you directed at me, 'hating popes' and a heretic because I put up a traditional Catholic website quoting all the top CATHOLIC PRIEST Copernicans in Rome and elsewhere telling all that the Catholic Church allows belief in extraterrestrials and that they exist. One quotes so that one can see what people are saying. This invention of aliens is of course an extension of Copernicanism, also embraced by popes since 1741. Any Catholic that believes in extraterrestrials has to be a Copernican, a heresy according to the Catholic Church.
It seems to me that I would rather be a Protestant if you represent a Catholic, vomiting your satanic accusations at a poster for little or no reason as you do.
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