Author Topic: FYI - Fr. Pfeiffer working with known Sedevacantist priest Fr Jacqmin (Read 5535 times)

Matthew · « **on:** June 05, 2016, 10:18:21 PM »

From the mailbag --

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Dear Cathinfo,

This may be newsworthy and you make like to post this piece of information. I am not a sede and most definitely not a supporter of Bishop Sanborn but I was reading his latest newsletter - http://tridentinemasssociety.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Seminary_Newsletter_May_2016.pdf

On page 3 he mentions travelling to England and then to Belgium to visit Fr Jacqmin a sedevacantist priest. This shows that Boston, KY is now working openly with a blatant sedevacantist priest who receives visits from Bishop Sanborn.

God bless all your good work,

name withheld

Matthew · « **Reply #1 on:** June 06, 2016, 12:32:54 AM »

Quote from: ignatius

I recall a recent interview with Fr. Jacqmin saying that sedevacantism is a dead road and that he maintains Archbishop Lefebvre's position.

Well which is it?

Either this interview is false, or the seminary publication (PDF) is lying.

Fr. Jacqmin can't be sedevacantist and non-sedevacantist at the same time. Sorry, I'm not going to budge on the whole "principle of non-contradiction" thing. I'm a stickler on that point.

Was Bishop Sanborn lying when he said, "At the end of July, I will travel to England, as usual, in order to say Mass for the faithful in London. Then I will travel to Belgium where I hope to see Father Jacqmin, a former SSPX priest and now a sedevacantist. I may give two conferences in Belgium. I also hope to visit Bishop Stuyver, who lives very close to Father Jacqmin."

cathman7 · « **Reply #2 on:** June 06, 2016, 04:17:08 AM »

If this is true then it is hypocritical for those who support Fr. Pfeiffer to attack Bishop Williamson for doing Confirmations at Fr. Bitzer's chapel.

Just bizarre....

I am thinking principles are not really at work anymore....charity is no longer at work....only a pig-headed refusal to admit they are wrong in their now entrenched position.

Wessex · « **Reply #3 on:** June 06, 2016, 05:35:48 AM »

I agree honesty is the best policy although even priests do not know where they stand with regard to these modern popes. Certainly, Bp. W is somewhat flexible and undogmatic on the issue. Best not to alienate potential supporters!

Matthew · « **Reply #4 on:** June 06, 2016, 05:53:06 AM »

Quote from: Wessex

Certainly, Bp. W is somewhat flexible and undogmatic on the issue.

I know you think the worst of everyone involved in "organized religion", you being a dogmatic home aloner, but I think that's one of Bishop Williamson's greatest virtues in this crisis.

He knows how to distinguish between dogma and opinion.

Are you saying he should seize an authority that isn't is, or raise his opinions on the Crisis in the Church to the level of dogma? Are you serious?

I clarified with him about this very point. He doesn't say "who knows? any of us could be right." He says, "I believe the Archbishop was correct, it's the safest, most Catholic position in this Crisis. Nevertheless, there is no authority to condemn those who take a different stance."

Because unlike those who deny a dogma of the Faith (where we have a clear authority -- the Church -- to condemn them as heretics who have denied part of the Faith), we have no such authority when it comes to the nuances of the Crisis in the Church.

God hasn't directly intervened yet, and all authority comes from God. Jesus Christ gave the authority to Peter and his successors, and that is where all Church authority comes from. But now, in this Crisis where we all live in lifeboats, where can we get some authority to start authoritatively sorting this mess out? Only from God. And he hasn't given any yet.

We can only do the right thing -- good things -- and hope that some will follow us. We can be holy priests, bishops, laymen -- create new retreat centers, organizations, charities, schools, chapels, websites, books, forums, and do good for the Church, hoping others will cooperate. But which traditional bishop can say, "I command you to follow me, in the name of God." That would be wrong, since God hasn't personally given him a commission.

Quote from: Wessex

Best not to alienate potential supporters!

Best not ever give anyone the benefit out of the doubt! You cynical son of a...

How about "Best not to curse those whom the Lord has (potentially) blessed."
or
"Best not to excommunicate those who might be in the State of Grace."
or
"Best not to confuse opinions on the Crisis with dogmas of the Faith itself."

The thing you cynically condemn him for, I wholeheartedly praise God for.

You just hate the good Bishop because he's balanced and not extreme like you.
But the fact is, your charge that +Williamson is some kind of politically-savvy Bill Clinton or Bishop Fellay is ridiculous. +Williamson has strong principles and has alienated everyone except a very small crowd. He appeals to just one type: serious Traditional Catholics who are quite separate from the World.

Any woman who has the least bit of Feminism isn't going to like +Williamson right off the bat. He is against feminism, women going to college, and women in pants.

Do you know what percent of human beings are women? Do you know how many women wear skirts/dresses these days? Do you know how many women in First World countries aren't feminist? Use your brain, man.

Those principled stances weren't designed with "maximum donations" in mind. Most of his positions are about as unpopular with the Modern World as you can get. The idea that you (and others) would suggest he's playing all sides for maximum donations is LAUGHABLE.

Nick · « **Reply #5 on:** June 06, 2016, 08:24:24 AM »

I commend Fr. Jacqmin for doing his own research and also perhaps for " doing it the hard way ".
Now that he has had some direct experience of the Pfeifferites, perhaps Bishop Sanborn will help him to choose a better way.

wallflower · « **Reply #6 on:** June 06, 2016, 08:30:54 AM »

Where does it say that Fr Pfeiffer is working with them? Can someone spell it out for me please?

Nick · « **Reply #7 on:** June 06, 2016, 08:55:54 AM »

I may be wrong, but I don't think ( at least, i hope not ) that the Pfeifferites and Fr. jacqmin are " working together " I understand that Fr. Jacqmin is / was doing his own research into various issues. Yes, he has more recently declared himself openly as taking a sedevacantist position; but his interactions with Fr. Pfeiffer have been ( as far as I know, which is actually very little ) limited to a mutual agreement with Fr. Pfeiffer strictly on the topics of disagreeing with particular positions of Bishop Williamson. A growing unease with certain perceived inconsistencies associated with the R. & R. position on certain matters has led to him firming his opinion towards sedevacantism.
The Pfeifferites should not read too much, nor hope for too much; from their working together with him on certain limited matters in which they actually are in agreement.

cebu · « **Reply #8 on:** June 06, 2016, 01:31:41 PM »

Fr Jacqmin has visted Boston, KY and allowed himself to be photographed there. He also went to the Wrecusant conference in London and spoke alongside Fr's Pfeiffer and Hewko, and has been saying Mass for Fr Pfeiffer's followers in the UK.

Perhaps Bishop Sanborn will be the bishop that Boston KY are so desperate to find?!!!

Matthew · « **Reply #9 on:** June 06, 2016, 01:37:51 PM »

Quote from: ignatius

Quote from: Nick
I may be wrong, but I don't think ( at least, i hope not ) that the Pfeifferites and Fr. jacqmin are " working together " I understand that Fr. Jacqmin is / was doing his own research into various issues. Yes, he has more recently declared himself openly as taking a sedevacantist position; but his interactions with Fr. Pfeiffer have been ( as far as I know, which is actually very little ) limited to a mutual agreement with Fr. Pfeiffer strictly on the topics of disagreeing with particular positions of Bishop Williamson. A growing unease with certain perceived inconsistencies associated with the R. & R. position on certain matters has led to him firming his opinion towards sedevacantism.
The Pfeifferites should not read too much, nor hope for too much; from their working together with him on certain limited matters in which they actually are in agreement.

I'm not understanding what you wrote. How do you say that he is "firming his opinion towards sedevacantism" when in his recent interview he articulated that sedevacantism is not the answer?

Here is his interview

1. This "ignatius" has clearly signed up on CathInfo for ONE PURPOSE, and a very specific one at that: Damage control for this particular issue. He has posted twice, and both of them to promote this propaganda video which was FILMED IN BOSTON, KY.

If it was anywhere else, I might believe it. But Fr. Jacqmin sits right where Pablo usually sits when he gives his impromptu "sermons" and "catechism classes" for the whole world (Urbi et Orbi) to consume.

This is obviously Boston propaganda. For all we know he's under some kind of spell...

Seriously, though, considering the source, I would dismiss this video WHATEVER it says, and look at all the other available evidence to arrive at the truth of this matter.

Centroamerica · « **Reply #10 on:** June 06, 2016, 02:29:22 PM »

On page 41 of the May/June 2016 Wreckusant there are what appear to be condemnations of the shared positions of teh Neo-SSPX and Bishop Williamson. One of the apparent condemnations of the shared principles are:

Neo-sspx:
Reminds its readers that the new Mass can still be valid, even though the rite itself is "defective" and "departs from Catholic theology".

Bishop Williamson:
Tells his readers that the New Mass can not only be valid but can be good as well as bad...

So are they now denying that the New Mass can be valid? Did I read this wrongly? Have they abandoned the classic SSPX position in an attempt to move closer to certain sedevacantists that deny that the New Rites can be valid?

Matthew · « **Reply #11 on:** June 06, 2016, 03:10:11 PM »

Fr. Pfeiffer is a sedevacantist; he just protests too much that he isn't.

But so much about him SCREAMS sedevacantist. And in practice, many of his "faithful" end up going to sedevacantist chapels when they can't wait any longer for Fr. Pfeiffer to show up for another Mass.

Actions speak louder than words.

- Attack Bishop Williamson and his classic SSPX position? Check.
- Simplistic view on the New Mass? Check.
- Bitter zeal? Check.
- Obsession with those to the "left" of him (which is just about everyone)? Check.
- Obsession with personalities rather than doctrine? Check.
- Isolation of his flock, telling them to red-light 99% of Traditional Masses? Check.*

* That last item isn't even typical of Sedevacantists, but more like radical, extreme Sedevacantists -- probably less than 5% of the Sede population.

With all due respect to the "good" or "sane" sedevacantists on CathInfo, these really are traits I've seen again and again in the Sedevacantist movement. The downside risks of being in that movement, if you will.

Remember that no solution to the Crisis is perfect -- aside from the Pope converting back to the Faith, demolishing everything after Vatican II, and restoring the Church, that is!

cebu · « **Reply #12 on:** June 06, 2016, 03:13:58 PM »

And the latest Wrecusant is full of pictures of Fr Jacqmin with some pfeifferite followers in the UK. Will their madness and contradictions never end?

Matthew · « **Reply #13 on:** June 06, 2016, 03:19:53 PM »

From the mailbag:

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Here is some information about Fr. Jacqmin:

(Please pardon my English; it is not my first language)

Here is the link to his own website. In the Netherlands part, he speaks about his sedevacantism:

http://scaturrex.com/nl/
(FAITH , SOLUTION DE LA CRISE , LE PAPE
PAPE ISSUE 2)

He doesn't speak about it in other languages...

He gave a conference in London in April
http://scaturrex.com/2016/04/11/1584/

He visited 2 times Fr. Pfeiffer's seminary ...

I'm Belgian and have to discuss with this priest (I think he hoped to take our resistant center in Belgium)

name withheld

Nick · « **Reply #14 on:** June 06, 2016, 06:12:55 PM »

This is a thread that I'm finding very interesting . I'm sure that both + Williamson and + Sanborn are very stable personalities and will not allow themselves to be manipulated by either the Pfeiffer Cult or by a confused patsy searching for a home.
It's good that Fr. jacqmin is making his own inquiries, although he certainly is presenting a confusing picture.
He cannot be unaware of the problems associated with Fr. Pfeiffer and with 'TradCatKnight', he knows about the relevant threads on them here !
He wishes to communicate with + Sanborn, well, good for him; perhaps he may respond to the logic he would most certainly receive from the good bishop. I'm rather certain that + Sanborn would not allow himself to be manipulated by a Pfeiffer Patsy into providing them with any form of legitimacy.
I would truly be a very disappointed sedevacantist myself, if that was to occur.