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Title: FYI - Fr. Pfeiffer working with known Sedevacantist priest Fr Jacqmin
Post by: Matthew on June 05, 2016, 10:18:21 PM
From the mailbag --

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Dear Cathinfo,

This may be newsworthy and you make like to post this piece of information. I am not a sede and most definitely not a supporter of Bishop Sanborn but I was reading his latest newsletter - http://tridentinemasssociety.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Seminary_Newsletter_May_2016.pdf  

On page 3 he mentions travelling to England and then to Belgium to visit Fr Jacqmin a sedevacantist priest. This shows that Boston, KY is now working openly with a blatant sedevacantist priest who receives visits from Bishop Sanborn.

God bless all your good work,

name withheld

Title: FYI - Fr. Pfeiffer working with known Sedevacantist priest Fr Jacqmin
Post by: Matthew on June 06, 2016, 12:32:54 AM
Quote from: ignatius
I recall a recent interview with Fr. Jacqmin saying that sedevacantism is a dead road and that he maintains Archbishop Lefebvre's position.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CZuULRgWNc


Well which is it?

Either this interview is false, or the seminary publication (PDF) is lying.

Fr. Jacqmin can't be sedevacantist and non-sedevacantist at the same time. Sorry, I'm not going to budge on the whole "principle of non-contradiction" thing. I'm a stickler on that point.

Was Bishop Sanborn lying when he said, "At the end of July, I will travel to England, as usual, in order to say Mass for the faithful in London. Then I will travel to Belgium where I hope to see Father Jacqmin, a former SSPX priest and now a sedevacantist. I may give two conferences in Belgium. I also hope to visit Bishop Stuyver, who lives very close to Father Jacqmin."
Title: FYI - Fr. Pfeiffer working with known Sedevacantist priest Fr Jacqmin
Post by: cathman7 on June 06, 2016, 04:17:08 AM
If this is true then it is hypocritical for those who support Fr. Pfeiffer to attack Bishop Williamson for doing Confirmations at Fr. Bitzer's chapel.

Just bizarre....

I am thinking principles are not really at work anymore....charity is no longer at work....only a pig-headed refusal to admit they are wrong in their now entrenched position.
Title: FYI - Fr. Pfeiffer working with known Sedevacantist priest Fr Jacqmin
Post by: Wessex on June 06, 2016, 05:35:48 AM
I agree honesty is the best policy although even priests do not know where they stand with regard to these modern popes. Certainly, Bp. W is somewhat flexible and undogmatic on the issue. Best not to alienate potential supporters!  
Title: FYI - Fr. Pfeiffer working with known Sedevacantist priest Fr Jacqmin
Post by: Matthew on June 06, 2016, 05:53:06 AM
Quote from: Wessex
Certainly, Bp. W is somewhat flexible and undogmatic on the issue.  


I know you think the worst of everyone involved in "organized religion", you being a dogmatic home aloner, but I think that's one of Bishop Williamson's greatest virtues in this crisis.

He knows how to distinguish between dogma and opinion.

Are you saying he should seize an authority that isn't is, or raise his opinions on the Crisis in the Church to the level of dogma? Are you serious?

I clarified with him about this very point. He doesn't say "who knows? any of us could be right." He says, "I believe the Archbishop was correct, it's the safest, most Catholic position in this Crisis. Nevertheless, there is no authority to condemn those who take a different stance."

Because unlike those who deny a dogma of the Faith (where we have a clear authority -- the Church -- to condemn them as heretics who have denied part of the Faith), we have no such authority when it comes to the nuances of the Crisis in the Church.

God hasn't directly intervened yet, and all authority comes from God. Jesus Christ gave the authority to Peter and his successors, and that is where all Church authority comes from. But now, in this Crisis where we all live in lifeboats, where can we get some authority to start authoritatively sorting this mess out? Only from God. And he hasn't given any yet.

We can only do the right thing -- good things -- and hope that some will follow us. We can be holy priests, bishops, laymen -- create new retreat centers, organizations, charities, schools, chapels, websites, books, forums, and do good for the Church, hoping others will cooperate. But which traditional bishop can say, "I command you to follow me, in the name of God." That would be wrong, since God hasn't personally given him a commission.


Quote from: Wessex
Best not to alienate potential supporters!


Best not ever give anyone the benefit out of the doubt! You cynical son of a...

How about "Best not to curse those whom the Lord has (potentially) blessed."
or
"Best not to excommunicate those who might be in the State of Grace."
or
"Best not to confuse opinions on the Crisis with dogmas of the Faith itself."


The thing you cynically condemn him for, I wholeheartedly praise God for.


You just hate the good Bishop because he's balanced and not extreme like you.
But the fact is, your charge that +Williamson is some kind of politically-savvy Bill Clinton or Bishop Fellay is ridiculous. +Williamson has strong principles and has alienated everyone except a very small crowd. He appeals to just one type: serious Traditional Catholics who are quite separate from the World.

Any woman who has the least bit of Feminism isn't going to like +Williamson right off the bat. He is against feminism, women going to college, and women in pants.

Do you know what percent of human beings are women? Do you know how many women wear skirts/dresses these days? Do you know how many women in First World countries aren't feminist? Use your brain, man.

Those principled stances weren't designed with "maximum donations" in mind. Most of his positions are about as unpopular with the Modern World as you can get. The idea that you (and others) would suggest he's playing all sides for maximum donations is LAUGHABLE.
Title: FYI - Fr. Pfeiffer working with known Sedevacantist priest Fr Jacqmin
Post by: Nick on June 06, 2016, 08:24:24 AM
I commend Fr. Jacqmin for doing his own research and also perhaps for " doing it the hard way ".
Now that he has had some direct experience of the Pfeifferites, perhaps Bishop Sanborn will help him to choose a better way.
Title: FYI - Fr. Pfeiffer working with known Sedevacantist priest Fr Jacqmin
Post by: wallflower on June 06, 2016, 08:30:54 AM

Where does it say that Fr Pfeiffer is working with them? Can someone spell it out for me please?
Title: FYI - Fr. Pfeiffer working with known Sedevacantist priest Fr Jacqmin
Post by: Nick on June 06, 2016, 08:55:54 AM
I may be wrong, but I don't think ( at least, i hope not ) that the Pfeifferites and Fr. jacqmin are " working together " I understand that Fr. Jacqmin is / was doing his own research into various issues. Yes, he has more recently declared himself openly as taking a sedevacantist position; but his interactions with Fr. Pfeiffer have been ( as far as I know, which is actually very little ) limited to a mutual agreement with Fr. Pfeiffer strictly on the topics of disagreeing with particular positions of Bishop Williamson. A growing unease with certain perceived inconsistencies associated with the R. & R. position on certain matters has led to him firming his opinion towards sedevacantism.
The Pfeifferites should not read too much, nor hope for too much; from their working together with him on certain limited matters in which they actually are in agreement.
Title: FYI - Fr. Pfeiffer working with known Sedevacantist priest Fr Jacqmin
Post by: cebu on June 06, 2016, 01:31:41 PM
Fr Jacqmin has visted Boston, KY and allowed himself to be photographed there. He also went to the Wrecusant conference in London and spoke alongside Fr's Pfeiffer and Hewko, and has been saying Mass for Fr Pfeiffer's followers in the UK.

Perhaps Bishop Sanborn will be the bishop that Boston KY are so desperate to find?!!!
Title: FYI - Fr. Pfeiffer working with known Sedevacantist priest Fr Jacqmin
Post by: Matthew on June 06, 2016, 01:37:51 PM
Quote from: ignatius
Quote from: Nick
I may be wrong, but I don't think ( at least, i hope not ) that the Pfeifferites and Fr. jacqmin are " working together " I understand that Fr. Jacqmin is / was doing his own research into various issues. Yes, he has more recently declared himself openly as taking a sedevacantist position; but his interactions with Fr. Pfeiffer have been ( as far as I know, which is actually very little ) limited to a mutual agreement with Fr. Pfeiffer strictly on the topics of disagreeing with particular positions of Bishop Williamson. A growing unease with certain perceived inconsistencies associated with the R. & R. position on certain matters has led to him firming his opinion towards sedevacantism.
The Pfeifferites should not read too much, nor hope for too much; from their working together with him on certain limited matters in which they actually are in agreement.

I'm not understanding what you wrote.  How do you say that he is "firming his opinion towards sedevacantism" when in his recent interview he articulated that sedevacantism is not the answer?  

Here is his interview  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CZuULRgWNc


1. This "ignatius" has clearly signed up on CathInfo for ONE PURPOSE, and a very specific one at that: Damage control for this particular issue. He has posted twice, and both of them to promote this propaganda video which was FILMED IN BOSTON, KY.

If it was anywhere else, I might believe it. But Fr. Jacqmin sits right where Pablo usually sits when he gives his impromptu "sermons" and "catechism classes" for the whole world (Urbi et Orbi) to consume.

This is obviously Boston propaganda. For all we know he's under some kind of spell...

Seriously, though, considering the source, I would dismiss this video WHATEVER it says, and look at all the other available evidence to arrive at the truth of this matter.
Title: FYI - Fr. Pfeiffer working with known Sedevacantist priest Fr Jacqmin
Post by: Centroamerica on June 06, 2016, 02:29:22 PM


On page 41 of the May/June 2016 Wreckusant there are what appear to be condemnations of the shared positions of teh Neo-SSPX and Bishop Williamson. One of the apparent condemnations of the shared principles are:

Neo-sspx:
Reminds its readers that the new Mass can still be valid, even though the rite itself is "defective" and "departs from Catholic theology".

Bishop Williamson:
Tells his readers that the New Mass can not only be valid but can be good as well as bad...


So are they now denying that the New Mass can be valid? Did I read this wrongly? Have they abandoned the classic SSPX position in an attempt to move closer to certain sedevacantists that deny that the New Rites can be valid?
Title: FYI - Fr. Pfeiffer working with known Sedevacantist priest Fr Jacqmin
Post by: Matthew on June 06, 2016, 03:10:11 PM
Fr. Pfeiffer is a sedevacantist; he just protests too much that he isn't.

But so much about him SCREAMS sedevacantist. And in practice, many of his "faithful" end up going to sedevacantist chapels when they can't wait any longer for Fr. Pfeiffer to show up for another Mass.

Actions speak louder than words.

- Attack Bishop Williamson and his classic SSPX position? Check.
- Simplistic view on the New Mass? Check.
- Bitter zeal? Check.
- Obsession with those to the "left" of him (which is just about everyone)? Check.
- Obsession with personalities rather than doctrine? Check.
- Isolation of his flock, telling them to red-light 99% of Traditional Masses? Check.*

* That last item isn't even typical of Sedevacantists, but more like radical, extreme Sedevacantists -- probably less than 5% of the Sede population.


With all due respect to the "good" or "sane" sedevacantists on CathInfo, these really are traits I've seen again and again in the Sedevacantist movement. The downside risks of being in that movement, if you will.

Remember that no solution to the Crisis is perfect -- aside from the Pope converting back to the Faith, demolishing everything after Vatican II, and restoring the Church, that is!
Title: FYI - Fr. Pfeiffer working with known Sedevacantist priest Fr Jacqmin
Post by: cebu on June 06, 2016, 03:13:58 PM
And the latest Wrecusant is full of pictures of Fr Jacqmin with some pfeifferite followers in the UK. Will their madness and contradictions never end?
Title: FYI - Fr. Pfeiffer working with known Sedevacantist priest Fr Jacqmin
Post by: Matthew on June 06, 2016, 03:19:53 PM
From the mailbag:

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Here is some information about Fr. Jacqmin:

(Please pardon my English; it is not my first language)

Here is the link to his own website. In the Netherlands part, he speaks about his sedevacantism:

http://scaturrex.com/nl/
(FAITH , SOLUTION DE LA CRISE , LE PAPE
PAPE ISSUE 2)

He doesn't speak about it in other languages...

He gave a conference in London in April
http://scaturrex.com/2016/04/11/1584/

He visited 2 times Fr. Pfeiffer's seminary ...

I'm Belgian and have to discuss with this priest (I think he hoped to take our resistant center in Belgium)

name withheld

Title: FYI - Fr. Pfeiffer working with known Sedevacantist priest Fr Jacqmin
Post by: Nick on June 06, 2016, 06:12:55 PM
This is a thread that I'm finding very interesting . I'm sure that both + Williamson and + Sanborn are very stable personalities and will not allow themselves to be manipulated by either the Pfeiffer Cult or by a confused patsy searching for a home.
It's good that Fr. jacqmin is making his own inquiries, although he certainly is presenting a confusing picture.
He cannot be unaware of the problems associated with Fr. Pfeiffer and with 'TradCatKnight', he knows about the relevant threads on them here !
He wishes to communicate with + Sanborn, well, good for him; perhaps he may respond to the logic he would most certainly receive from the good bishop. I'm rather certain that + Sanborn would not allow himself to be manipulated by a Pfeiffer Patsy into providing them with any form of legitimacy.
I would truly be a very disappointed sedevacantist myself, if that was to occur.
Title: FYI - Fr. Pfeiffer working with known Sedevacantist priest Fr Jacqmin
Post by: Nick on June 06, 2016, 06:30:08 PM
Quote from: cebu
Fr Jacqmin has visted Boston, KY and allowed himself to be photographed there. He also went to the Wrecusant conference in London and spoke alongside Fr's Pfeiffer and Hewko, and has been saying Mass for Fr Pfeiffer's followers in the UK.

Perhaps Bishop Sanborn will be the bishop that Boston KY are so desperate to find?!!!


Yes he did / does so , unfortunately .    But ...

If you read anything by + Sanborn, you will know that he is Not an "opinionist" on the Una cuŠ¼ issue.
Title: FYI - Fr. Pfeiffer working with known Sedevacantist priest Fr Jacqmin
Post by: Matthew on June 06, 2016, 10:36:36 PM
Quote from: ignatius

Isn't this website about catholic-infomation?  That is why I signed up.  Someone provided what seems to be a credible source saying Fr. Jacqmin is a sedevavacantist yet I remembered an interview where Fr. Jacqmin said otherwise. Cannot Fr. Jacqmin speak for himself within his own english speaking interview regardless if it was done in a barn or a hotel room?


Yes, that is why you signed up, all right -- for the second time. Your previous account was "Heresy Crusher".

Except Boston, KY has a history of posting staged interviews which contradict the person's own websites. This is precisely what happened in the case of Ambrose Moran.
He quickly took down his website after the staged interview.

I believe it's reasonable, under the circuŠ¼stances, to suggest this course of action:

endeavor to gather data from everywhere else, and then if the Boston, KY interview contradicts all the rest of it, then discard the Boston interview.

Like I said, it wouldn't be the first time they cooked up a false story there.

...but I guess it all depends on whether you're after reality or fantasy.

If you're after fantasy, then all bets are off. Do what you want.

Title: FYI - Fr. Pfeiffer working with known Sedevacantist priest Fr Jacqmin
Post by: mw2016 on June 06, 2016, 11:24:48 PM
Quote from: Matthew


If it was anywhere else, I might believe it. But Fr. Jacqmin sits right where Pablo usually sits when he gives his impromptu "sermons" and "catechism classes" for the whole world (Urbi et Orbi) to consume.

This is obviously Boston propaganda. For all we know he's under some kind of spell...

Seriously, though, considering the source, I would dismiss this video WHATEVER it says, and look at all the other available evidence to arrive at the truth of this matter.


You are dismissing a priest's conference because Pablo filmed it or posted it?

I think that's quite irrelevant.

I don't know who Fr. Jacqmin is, or what he thinks of sedevacantism, and I haven't watched the video yet.

I don't know why anyone is surprised by this.

I would assume Fr. Pfeiffer is going to have to eventually develop a relationship with some bishop in order to get the Sacraments for his faithful, if he is talking with Bp. Sanborn. Getting the Sacraments for his faithful is an entirely separate matter from his own personal position on sedevacantism, which as far as I know, has not changed.
Title: FYI - Fr. Pfeiffer working with known Sedevacantist priest Fr Jacqmin
Post by: Matthew on June 07, 2016, 12:20:56 AM
Quote from: mw2016
Quote from: Matthew


If it was anywhere else, I might believe it. But Fr. Jacqmin sits right where Pablo usually sits when he gives his impromptu "sermons" and "catechism classes" for the whole world (Urbi et Orbi) to consume.

This is obviously Boston propaganda. For all we know he's under some kind of spell...

Seriously, though, considering the source, I would dismiss this video WHATEVER it says, and look at all the other available evidence to arrive at the truth of this matter.


You are dismissing a priest's conference because Pablo filmed it or posted it?

I think that's quite irrelevant.

I don't know who Fr. Jacqmin is, or what he thinks of sedevacantism, and I haven't watched the video yet.

I don't know why anyone is surprised by this.

I would assume Fr. Pfeiffer is going to have to eventually develop a relationship with some bishop in order to get the Sacraments for his faithful, if he is talking with Bp. Sanborn. Getting the Sacraments for his faithful is an entirely separate matter from his own personal position on sedevacantism, which as far as I know, has not changed.


Yes, I'm pre-emptively distrusting the conference, on account of where it was filmed and who published the video.

I, for one, don't trust Pablo as far as I can throw him.

"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me!"

We were burned once with a staged "interview" with Ambrose Moran, coming from the same group/location. They lost our trust.

Trust is earned. And once lost, you really have to work hard to earn it back!
Title: FYI - Fr. Pfeiffer working with known Sedevacantist priest Fr Jacqmin
Post by: TheRealMcCoy on June 07, 2016, 03:48:00 AM
I've lost the plot here.  Matthew, are you saying that the OLMC is seeking to portray Jacqmin as not a SV when in fact he is?  Seeing how utilitarian that operation is it really wouldn't be a stretch for them to work with anyone (and I do mean anyone).  They are fairly agnostic when it comes to their associates.

So is Jacqmin the middleman between Pfeiffer and Sanborn or someone else?
Title: FYI - Fr. Pfeiffer working with known Sedevacantist priest Fr Jacqmin
Post by: Exilenomore on June 07, 2016, 06:28:43 AM

I am not a follower of the "Resistance", nor of the SSPX or sedevacantism, for that matter. But I am a Dutch speaking Belgian, and Eric Jacqmin is certainly an open sedevacantist, defending it on his website "SCATURREX". On that website he considers sedevacantist bishops such as Geert Stuyver and Donald Sanborn to be legitimate, and also those Ukrainian bishops who erected their own Patriarchate under a so-called Patriarch Elias.

It kind of surprises me that people are unaware of this here, so it seems to me that the "resistants" have significant problems with communication.

Jacqmin rejects Williamson, calling him a practical heretic because he refuses to create his own church-structure.

It does not surprise me that sedevacantists would want to ally with the post-SSPX splintergroups, because they truly are like a duplicate of the sedevacantist world, with all its disorder and anarchy.
Title: FYI - Fr. Pfeiffer working with known Sedevacantist priest Fr Jacqmin
Post by: Nick on June 07, 2016, 07:53:53 AM
I would have thought that even if one vehemently opposes the actions / opinions / tactics of a particular valid priest / bishop ( as I do with Fr. Pfeiffer for example ) , a catholic would Still shown a certain level of respect for at least the inherent dignity of their consecrated position.
I refer to Fr. Pfeiffer as Father Pfeiffer , and I refer to both + Williamson And + Sanborn as Bishop Williamson and Bishop Sanborn respectively .
Whilst there is a pfeifferite cult, there will always be, (forever according to the order of Melchizedek ) a Fr. Pfeiffer .
 :fryingpan:
Title: FYI - Fr. Pfeiffer working with known Sedevacantist priest Fr Jacqmin
Post by: Exilenomore on June 07, 2016, 08:05:22 AM
In his 'parish announcements' of this past February, Jacqmin wrote that he would visit the seminary of Pfeiffer in Kentucky from 1 to 6 February. Basically, I think that from his website one can conclude that he is allied with Pfeiffer against Williamson and Faure. He is openly against the latter two; this combined with the fact that he seems to have visited Pfeiffer's mockseminary renders it difficult to deny his allegiance with your archenemies.
Title: FYI - Fr. Pfeiffer working with known Sedevacantist priest Fr Jacqmin
Post by: Nick on June 07, 2016, 08:32:47 AM
.........................

"I condemn and execrate all that I have written on this forum against faith and morals."

How does this align with your refusal to refer to priests and bishops by their titles in a catholic forum ?