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Traditional Catholic Faith => SSPX Resistance News => Topic started by: Merry on February 29, 2024, 05:50:42 PM
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THIS WAS ON TWITTER/X TODAY
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Pope Francis this morning received in private audience Father Andrzej Komorowski, superior general of the traditional Priestly Fraternity of St Peter (FSSP).
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Audience with Pope Francis – FSSP (https://www.fssp.org/en/audience-with-pope-francis/)
Audience with Pope Francis
Published 1 March 2024 (https://www.fssp.org/en/2024/03/01/)
Official communiqué of the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter – Fribourg, March 1st, 2024.
Following a request from the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter, Pope Francis invited Fr. Andrzej Komorowski, Superior General of the FSSP, to meet with him. He received him in private audience at the Vatican on Thursday, February 29, 2024, accompanied by Fr. Benoît Paul-Joseph, Superior of the District of France, and Fr. Vincent Ribeton, Rector of St. Peter’s Seminary in Wigratzbad.
The meeting was an opportunity for them to express their deep gratitude to the Holy Father for the decree of February 11, 2022, by which the Pope confirmed the liturgical specificity of the Fraternity of St. Peter, but also to share with him the difficulties encountered in its application. The Pope was very understanding and invited the Fraternity of St. Peter to continue to build up ecclesial communion ever more fully through its own proper charism. Fr. Komorowski informed the Holy Father that the decree of February 11, 2022 had been given on the very day of the Fraternity of St. Peter’s consecration to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, on the feast of Our Lady of Lourdes. The Holy Father hailed this coincidence as a providential sign.
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The meeting was an opportunity for them to express their deep gratitude to the Holy Father for the decree of February 11, 2022, by which the Pope confirmed the liturgical specificity of the Fraternity of St. Peter, but also to share with him the difficulties encountered in its application. The Pope was very understanding and invited the Fraternity of St. Peter to continue to build up ecclesial communion ever more fully through its own proper charism. Fr. Komorowski informed the Holy Father that the decree of February 11, 2022 had been given on the very day of the Fraternity of St. Peter’s consecration to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, on the feast of Our Lady of Lourdes. The Holy Father hailed this coincidence as a providential sign.
So Bergoglio was still complaining about the Tridentine Mass, but only reluctantly permitting it as he needs them to keep Traditional-minded Catholics with at least one foot in the door of the Conciliar Church.
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But wasn’t there a rumor that said he was in critical condition in the hospital around the same time? :facepalm:
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But wasn’t there a rumor that said he was in critical condition in the hospital around the same time? :facepalm:
Yes, the rumor was from the day before the private audience. I guess the "sources" were wrong.
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Looks like an Ecclesial Dei group playing sucker/suck-up again.
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Looks like an Ecclesial Dei group playing sucker/suck-up again.
I am not convinced that the FSSP is playing suck-up. They requested this audience, yes. But read between the lines of the communique. To me, it seems thst the are probing Bergoglio, running reconnaissance to see how far Rome is now on its agenda to eliminate the TLM and to estimate how long until the FSSP is scuttled or merged with other formerly-called Ecclesia Dei communities.
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I am not convinced that the FSSP is playing suck-up. They requested this audience, yes. But read between the lines of the communique. To me, it seems thst the are probing Bergoglio, running reconnaissance to see how far Rome is now on its agenda to eliminate the TLM and to estimate how long until the FSSP is scuttled or merged with other formerly-called Ecclesia Dei communities.
And what are they going to do with that information? I think you're giving them too much credit.
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And what are they going to do with that information? I think you're giving them too much credit.
They will fret and worry, but they will not engage in any constructive action.
I interact with the Motatian/Indulters frequently. I am very familiar with their opinions, concerns, and reactions. I am not giving them too much credit. I simply know them -- many of my friends are numbered amongst them. What I write does not come from some Kantian mental universe but from experience and relationship.
Can you say the same?
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They will fret and worry, but they will not engage in any constructive action.
I interact with the Motatian/Indulters frequently. I am very familiar with their opinions, concerns, and reactions. I am not giving them too much credit. I simply know them -- many of my friends are numbered amongst them. What I write does not come from some Kantian mental universe but from experience and relationship.
Can you say the same?
OK, maybe you're not and I'm wrong; however, expressing "their deep gratitude" sounds like sucking up to me.
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OK, maybe you're not and I'm wrong; however, expressing "their deep gratitude" sounds like sucking up to me.
That kind of language is called "pro forma". It is meaningless diplomatique that is simply expected and done.
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That kind of language is called "pro forma". It is meaningless diplomatique that is simply expected and done.
Honestly, although I respect you, I just can't get on board with your view. I look at how they chose to include this last sentence...
The Holy Father hailed this coincidence as a providential sign.
and can do nothing other than ::)
Unfortunately, those within the ED groups will eventually learn that this just doesn't work and will have to make some hard and inconvenient choices down the road.
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Honestly, although I respect you, I just can't get on board with your view. I look at how they chose to include this last sentence...
The Holy Father hailed this coincidence as a providential sign.
and can do nothing other than ::)
Unfortunately, those within the ED groups will eventually learn that this just doesn't work and will have to make some hard and inconvenient choices down the road.
No, the approach of Motarians / Indulters does not work, but that is for them to find out the hard way.
I just refuse to follow any sort of "us vs. them" dialectic tethered to a hermenteutic of suspicion. Again, they will simply have to find out the hard way.
And when they do find out Rome's nefarious intentions, are you going to mock them or will you greet and welcome them as brothers in Christ?
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No, the approach of Motarians / Indulters does not work, but that is for them to find out the hard way.
I just refuse to follow any sort of "us vs. them" dialectic tethered to a hermenteutic of suspicion. Again, they will simply have to find out the hard way.
And when they do find out Rome's nefarious intentions, are you going to mock them or will you greet and welcome them as brothers in Christ?
I call them as I see them. Maybe you're a tad too sensitive because, as you say, these are your friends.
As for your last comment? Talk about us vs them dialectic. Obviously, when (if) they wake up I will certainly welcome them.
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https://x.com/NovusOrdoWatch/status/1763616468116156607?t=Q0n_66ZPRgq6WMhlnM3tYw&s=08
https://twitter.com/atavique1/status/1763612121886003455?s=46&t=O-RVmfbTOwfULK0xxKlR9w
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I dunno. Pope Francis is coming down with something rn.
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Who knows if it was not just a couple of Freemasons putting on a show for their gullible prey in the SSPX, discussing the next manoeuvre to bring them into "full communion"... or perhaps they were discussing the next bishop.
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https://twitter.com/atavique1/status/1763612121886003455?s=46&t=O-RVmfbTOwfULK0xxKlR9w
The Chrism Mass is soon....we shall see who is there concelebrating with Bergoglio.