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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Contra Cekadam
« Reply #15 on: March 11, 2018, 04:35:45 PM »
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I wouldn't go so far as to say that. There are plenty of good  (classical) arguments on the R and R position. Fr. Hesse is one that I continue to mention. To affirm that it is an error is to put yourself in the category of dogmatic sede-ism...is it not? Clearly, the situation will be resolved when the crisis in the Church ends and a true Catholic Pope sorts out this mess (probably'll take 3 or 4 successive popes to sort it all out). Until then, no declaration from the Church on the post-conciliar popes leaves no certainty as to what position holds true.
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Offline 2Vermont

Re: Contra Cekadam
« Reply #16 on: March 11, 2018, 05:55:31 PM »
Quote from: Centroamerica on March 11, 2018, 02:16:06 PM
I wouldn't go so far as to say that. There are plenty of good  (classical) arguments on the R and R position. Fr. Hesse is one that I continue to mention. To affirm that it is an error is to put yourself in the category of dogmatic sede-ism...is it not? Clearly, the situation will be resolved when the crisis in the Church ends and a true Catholic Pope sorts out this mess (probably'll take 3 or 4 successive popes to sort it all out). Until then, no declaration from the Church on the post-conciliar popes leaves no certainty as to what position holds true.
Aren't you implying that these popes have not been true popes?  Otherwise this mess would have been sorted out already, no?
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Offline Croix de Fer

Re: Contra Cekadam
« Reply #17 on: March 11, 2018, 06:07:20 PM »
Quote from: Meg on March 11, 2018, 12:39:29 PM
Maybe you're right. But +W does appear to at least support sedeprivationsim. That's a problem.

I'll have to re-think my support for the Resistance.

Have you not figured it out by now? R&R's actions, not what they say, is effectively sedeprivationist.

Btw, I was the first CathInfo member to get the privationism ball rolling on this forum. I think I started arguing in favor of it about 3 years ago.

I'm a real champion. 8) :laugh1:
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Offline Centroamerica

Re: Contra Cekadam
« Reply #18 on: March 11, 2018, 07:11:40 PM »
Quote from: 2Vermont on March 11, 2018, 05:55:31 PM
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I wouldn't go so far as to say that. There are plenty of good  (classical) arguments on the R and R position. Fr. Hesse is one that I continue to mention. To affirm that it is an error is to put yourself in the category of dogmatic sede-ism...is it not? Clearly, the situation will be resolved when the crisis in the Church ends and a true Catholic Pope sorts out this mess (probably'll take 3 or 4 successive popes to sort it all out). Until then, no declaration from the Church on the post-conciliar popes leaves no certainty as to what position holds true.

Aren't you implying that these popes have not been true popes?  Otherwise this mess would have been sorted out already, no?
Impinging moral obligations upon my conscience on the one hand while the absence of the Church's authoritative declaration forbidding me from declaring sede vacantism as though I were that authority on the other--I maintain a position of positive doubt regarding the post-conciliar papacy's divine authority until that doubt is removed and all the conditions necessary to establish their papacies as dogmatic facts are present.
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Offline songbird

Re: Contra Cekadam
« Reply #19 on: March 11, 2018, 10:46:13 PM »
I do not agree with Bishop Sanborns' opinion of sedeprivationism, which is "If the pope says he his so sorry for being a heretic or such, then he can be a real pope."  
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