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Offline Meg

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Re: FSSP Granted an Indult to offer the 1958 Holy Week Rubrics
« Reply #15 on: March 06, 2018, 05:06:22 PM »
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    • Quote from: PG on March 06, 2018, 05:01:17 PM
    Well, I did not make up the term.  However, it is a professional, accurate, and useful term.  It makes discussion of the matter more efficient, so long as the terms are accurate.  And, in this case it is.  Look it up on google.  You will see that I am not the only one who uses it.  I see no negative to its use.  I will continue to use it.

    I know that you didn't make up the term. It is a useful term for sedewhatevers who obsess on a certain sedewhatever POV. I realize that.

    Feel free to keep using it. I'll keep pointing it out that you do not use it accurately, because you use it to describe trads who themselves do not profess to be sedeplenists. It's dishonest to use this term for traditional Catholics who do not describe themselves as such.
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    Re: FSSP Granted an Indult to offer the 1958 Holy Week Rubrics
    « Reply #16 on: March 06, 2018, 06:51:41 PM »
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    • This shows how the enemy tries to run circles around you.  The modernists changed holy week in order to change the faith.  Once they have changed the faith, they come full circle and pretend as if nothing happened by restoring the old holy week.  However, there is the dead give away, and it is the pray for the Jєωs.  So, it is not the old holy week.  
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    Re: FSSP Granted an Indult to offer the 1958 Holy Week Rubrics
    « Reply #17 on: March 07, 2018, 08:51:15 PM »
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    •      PG : "don't let your hatred of me for exposing louis de montfort as the fraud that he is blind you to reality.  Facts are       facts."    Meg:  "I'm not a fan of De Montfort anyway, because he over-analyzes everything - especially Marian devotion."

    I can't understand how it is possible for St. Louis de Montfort to be called a fraud.  May I share a link to defend St. Louis de Montfort, please:   http://files.webklik.nl/user_files/2010_05/137438/Squabbles.pdf
    His writings, "Love of Eternal Wisdom" and "Letter to the Friends of the Cross", are very helpful spiritual guides.  And yes, the "True Devotion to Mary" may be too long to read for the first time and may not be as quick to read like espionage novels, and it takes 2 or more readings before the full meaning becomes clear and for the devotion to grow, but after years of reflection, it can only be described as 'comprehensive', not 'over-analyzed'.
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    Re: FSSP Granted an Indult to offer the 1958 Holy Week Rubrics
    « Reply #18 on: March 07, 2018, 10:48:35 PM »
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    • Quote from: res ipsa loquitur on March 07, 2018, 08:51:15 PM
        PG : "don't let your hatred of me for exposing louis de montfort as the fraud that he is blind you to reality.  Facts are       facts."    Meg:  "I'm not a fan of De Montfort anyway, because he over-analyzes everything - especially Marian devotion."

    I can't understand how it is possible for St. Louis de Montfort to be called a fraud.  May I share a link to defend St. Louis de Montfort, please:   http://files.webklik.nl/user_files/2010_05/137438/Squabbles.pdf
    His writings, "Love of Eternal Wisdom" and "Letter to the Friends of the Cross", are very helpful spiritual guides.  And yes, the "True Devotion to Mary" may be too long to read for the first time and may not be as quick to read like espionage novels, and it takes 2 or more readings before the full meaning becomes clear and for the devotion to grow, but after years of reflection, it can only be described as 'comprehensive', not 'over-analyzed'.
    You ought to refer to the thread below if you want to discuss the matter further.  I only brought it up to meg because many people have recently come to consider me possessed by the devil(neilobstat) and wish for my banning(jen51) for what I had to say about de montfort.   It is a recent discussion.
    https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/the-secret-hidden-within-marian-consecration/
    I have made a lot of enemies recently, and I was simply sifting meg to see where she stands.  However, I think she instead may have an aversion to prayers being answered(other than hers).  Correct me if I am wrong, but I recall(from memory) her also unusually attacking MyrnaM for believing that her prayer was answered about a flat earth solution when whe proceeded to explain how.  So, I doubt it has anything to do with "sedewhateverism", and perhaps more to do with a form of spiritual envy. 
      
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    Re: FSSP Granted an Indult to offer the 1958 Holy Week Rubrics
    « Reply #19 on: March 07, 2018, 11:25:49 PM »
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    • Quote from: res ipsa loquitur on March 07, 2018, 08:51:15 PM
        PG : "don't let your hatred of me for exposing louis de montfort as the fraud that he is blind you to reality.  Facts are       facts."    Meg:  "I'm not a fan of De Montfort anyway, because he over-analyzes everything - especially Marian devotion."

    I can't understand how it is possible for St. Louis de Montfort to be called a fraud.  May I share a link to defend St. Louis de Montfort, please:   http://files.webklik.nl/user_files/2010_05/137438/Squabbles.pdf
    His writings, "Love of Eternal Wisdom" and "Letter to the Friends of the Cross", are very helpful spiritual guides.  And yes, the "True Devotion to Mary" may be too long to read for the first time and may not be as quick to read like espionage novels, and it takes 2 or more readings before the full meaning becomes clear and for the devotion to grow, but after years of reflection, it can only be described as 'comprehensive', not 'over-analyzed'.
    I have thoroughly read all of de montforts works.  And, I object to true devotion and the secret of mary.  Similar to how I cannot explain the phenomenon of some modern musicians playing some of he most hideous diabolical music classified as classical alongside some of the loveliest classical music at performances, I cannot explain de montfort producing such problematic works(true devotion) alongside works(his poems and letters) that appeared to me to not be problematic at all.  However, I am not at all about to praise any of his works.  
    As for my music example, can you explain why narcisio yepes(one of the best classical guitarists of his time) would play such hidious music from minute 50:00 to minute 1:12:00 in the video I link below, when the rest of his performance consists of some of the loveliest classical music compositions flawlessly performed?  These contradictions are sad.  But, they exist.  And, that is the case with de montfort.  He wrote some beautiful things, but he also wrote some diabolical things.  And, like vatican 2, we have to reject both.  De montfort is a contradiction.  However, unlike Christ, who taught no evil, de montfort does teach evil.  Because, the devil always has a tail.
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    Re: FSSP Granted an Indult to offer the 1958 Holy Week Rubrics
    « Reply #20 on: March 07, 2018, 11:32:37 PM »
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    • Quote from: PG on March 06, 2018, 06:51:41 PM
    This shows how the enemy tries to run circles around you.  The modernists changed holy week in order to change the faith.  Once they have changed the faith, they come full circle and pretend as if nothing happened by restoring the old holy week.  However, there is the dead give away, and it is the pray for the Jєωs.  So, it is not the old holy week.  
    Pope Pius XII may have changed the Holy Week but he didn't invoke Vatican II.  
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    Re: FSSP Granted an Indult to offer the 1958 Holy Week Rubrics
    « Reply #21 on: March 11, 2018, 03:35:45 AM »
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    • Fr Celier of the SSPX wrote a book on Ratzinger calling him the Pope of Tradition.
    Summorum Pontificuм and all that. 
    In view of this indult,  which may well be extended to the SSPX,  maybe another book is now due: Bergy,  Another Pope of Tradition. 



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    Re: FSSP Granted an Indult to offer the 1958 Holy Week Rubrics
    « Reply #22 on: March 11, 2018, 04:41:29 AM »
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    • Quote from: AJNC on March 11, 2018, 03:35:45 AM
    Fr Celier of the SSPX wrote a book on Ratzinger calling him the Pope of Tradition.
    Summorum Pontificuм and all that.
    In view of this indult,  which may well be extended to the SSPX,  maybe another book is now due: Bergy,  Another Pope of Tradition.
    He has done more to help the SSPX than any American bishop. 
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    Re: FSSP Granted an Indult to offer the 1958 Holy Week Rubrics
    « Reply #23 on: March 12, 2018, 07:27:38 PM »
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    • And, that is the case with de montfort.  He wrote some beautiful things, but he also wrote some diabolical things.  And, like vatican 2, we have to reject both.  De montfort is a contradiction.  However, unlike Christ, who taught no evil, de montfort does teach evil.  Because, the devil always has a tail.

    The only one with a tail seems to be you.
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    Re: FSSP Granted an Indult to offer the 1958 Holy Week Rubrics
    « Reply #24 on: March 12, 2018, 09:44:35 PM »
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    • Quote from: King Wenceslas on March 12, 2018, 07:27:38 PM
    And, that is the case with de montfort.  He wrote some beautiful things, but he also wrote some diabolical things.  And, like vatican 2, we have to reject both.  De montfort is a contradiction.  However, unlike Christ, who taught no evil, de montfort does teach evil.  Because, the devil always has a tail.

    The only one with a tail seems to be you.

    The fact that St. Louis of Montfort was canonized as a saint of the Church by Pope Pius XII should be sufficient for any Catholic worth his name to at least  treat him with the due respect, even if there is disagreement with his thinking. If he had written truly diabolical things as this calumny suggests, then he would not be a saint of the Church.

    These words are truly reprehensible
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    Re: FSSP Granted an Indult to offer the 1958 Holy Week Rubrics
    « Reply #25 on: March 12, 2018, 11:05:20 PM »
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    • Quote from: Maria Auxiliadora on March 05, 2018, 05:52:00 AM

     However, on Good Friday, the prayer for the Jєωs published by Pope Benedict XVI must be used.
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