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April 26, 2017 - Sts. Cletus & Marcellinus, Popes & Martyrs
Semidouble Feast
A Noted Newvaticanologist and Confident of the Newpope
Reports that Francis-Bergoglio Has No Intention of Accepting Fellay and His Neo-SSPX
From: The TRADITIO Fathers
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Andrea Tornielli, One of Newvatican's Most Recognized Journalists
And a Known Confidant of Newpope Francis-Bergoglio
Has Reported that, Contrary to Common Scuttlebut
Bergoglio Has No Intention of Making Bernie Fellay and His Neo-SSPX
A "Personal Prelature" of Newchurch
There Is Too Much Dissension within the Neo-SSPX
One of Its Bishops Left, 100 of Its Priests Left
And Many of Its District Superiors Reject a Sellout to the New Order Sect
A noted Newvaticanologist, Andrea Tornielli, has reported on April 14, 2017, that on the basis of discussions he has had with top officials in Francis-Bergoglio's residence in the Domus Sanctae Marthae and contrary to common scuttlebutt, Bergoglio has no intention of making Bernie Fellay and his Neo-SSPX a "personal prelature" of Newchurch. It was speculated that Bergoglio personally had fed this information to Tornielli.
Tornielli reported that in fact the situation between Fellay and Bergoglio had not changed in the last months. The regional superiors of the Neo-SSPX have refused to let Fellay sign the doctrinal statement offered by Newvatican, which requires the Neo-SSPX to profess its faith in the Newchurch of the New Order. Tornielli reports that Newvatican is in no hurry to accept Fellay into Newchurch, particularly because there is so much dissension within his Neo-SSPX. One of its bishops left, 100 of its priest left, and many of its district superiors reject a sellout to the New Order sect. [Some information for this Commentary was contributed by Vatican Insider.]
True Catholics, for his own purposes the perfidious Fellay likes to gin up news stories on himself. Like his master, the Modernist Francis-Bergoglio, Fellay is a narcissist to an extreme. If only Archbishop Lefebvfe had not died in 1991, one could see the resources of the original traditional Society of St. Pius X being used to bring droves of disaffected Newchurchers back to the true Catholic doctrine and morals and to the true Catholic Mass and Sacraments. Fellay, to the contrary, has wasted the Neo-SSPX's money and resources by playing useless political games with the anti-Catholic Newchurch and its anti-Catholic Newpope.
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I'm no fan of the Conciliar Church, Novus Ordo Mass, Modernism, etc. (to use an understatement-of-the- century) but Traditio.com is over-the-top as usual.
His garbage is hard to read. Must he use childish name calling IN EVERY BLOODY SENTENCE? I get the point already! I think even a 7-year-old would have gotten the point years ago, how he feels about the conciliar church.
His righteous indignation turned into bitter zeal, which after the passing of many years has morphed into an intense hatred -- which seethes and oozes out from in-between every sentence.
He needs to get that hatred checked out -- or it could be fatal (for his soul).
P.S. What mental reservation lie does he employ in order to call himself "the Traditio Fathers", which gives the impression that Traditio is the voice of a solemn, wise body of elders, or a mature council? On the contrary, it's a SINGLE man of dubious orders, the infamous "father" Moderator, a.k.a. Fr. Morrison.
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I read Traditio often. I much prefer it to Novus Ordo Watch. I can barely read the headlines at Novus Ordo Watch. I agree there are problems with Traditio, but I read it for Church news.
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Bp. Fellay was at our parish yesterday. He mentioned the situation with Rome briefly during his sermon. He said that Rome was in such a terrible state that many bishops and some cardinals tell the SSPX to "resist." He asserts those people want "regularization" because they want help in fighting the modernists. He said (paraphrase close to a quote), "They have a new mission for the Society -- to fight the modernists in the Church."
All in all, nothing he said was particularly new from the conference he gave a few months back that was publicized via video. I was somewhat struck by his sense of optimism. But, he also touted the need for "prudence."
It should be noted that the purpose of his discussion of the topic was not to explain the situation or generate support. He was merely explaining to those to be confirmed yesterday that, as a result of the sacrament of confirmation, they are soldiers in this fight where, he says, the True Faith is our greatest weapon. I agree with his sentiment, and thought his sermon was outstanding, even though I disagree with his optimism about an accord.
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The Eponymous Flower had this information last week http://eponymousflower.blogspot.com/2017/04/house-vaticanist-puts-brake-on.html
I happen to agree that Francis doesn't want them. He knows he can destroy them just as effectively from the outside. It is the SSPX leadership who is very anxious to get it done.
Anyway, for Rome, The 10th Anniversary of Summorum Pontificuм (which they had suggested as one of the dates) would be more fitting, 7/7/17.
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What is true, is what is seen. Bishop Fellay should not being playing footsie with New Order, and why? Truth: a lot of wasted time, money and loss of members.
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Bp. Fellay was at our parish yesterday. He mentioned the situation with Rome briefly during his sermon. He said that Rome was in such a terrible state that many bishops and some cardinals tell the SSPX to "resist." He asserts those people want "regularization" because they want help in fighting the modernists. He said (paraphrase close to a quote), "They have a new mission for the Society -- to fight the modernists in the Church."
All in all, nothing he said was particularly new from the conference he gave a few months back that was publicized via video. I was somewhat struck by his sense of optimism. But, he also touted the need for "prudence."
It should be noted that the purpose of his discussion of the topic was not to explain the situation or generate support. He was merely explaining to those to be confirmed yesterday that, as a result of the sacrament of confirmation, they are soldiers in this fight where, he says, the True Faith is our greatest weapon. I agree with his sentiment, and thought his sermon was outstanding, even though I disagree with his optimism about an accord.
I thought Bishop Tissier was stationed in the USA to do the ordinations and confirmations there ...
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I thought Bishop Tissier was stationed in the USA to do the ordinations and confirmations there ...
He's doing most of them.
http://sspx.org/en/news-events/news/spring-and-summer-confirmation-dates
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I much prefer it to Novus Ordo Watch. I can barely read the headlines at Novus Ordo Watch.
Since I said this I should elaborate a little. I disagree with Novus Ordo Watch on many issues, but there are other websites I also disagree with like Traditio but like reading. What bothers me about Novus Ordo Watch in particular is their attitude and also their style and personality.
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Since I said this I should elaborate a little. I disagree with Novus Ordo Watch on many issues, but there are other websites I also disagree with like Traditio but like reading. What bothers me about Novus Ordo Watch in particular is their attitude and also their style and personality.
Fair enough. While I don't necessarily agree with all of the opinions posted on Novus Ordo Watch, I think it is probably one of the best sources of news concerning the Conciliar sect. Novus Ordo Watch does not conduct original reporting, but links to news reports found on the internet in secular sources, diocesan websites, and even the Vatican's website. Personally, I like Novus Ordo Watch's "attitude" and the often wry-humor sometimes found on their posts.
Individuals probably should not take anyone's word for the readability of the website but should check it out for themselves. One thing that can be said about Novus Ordo Watch is that they do not spread untruths. They may link to a credible website that posted something that is not true, but Novus Ordo Watch is always completely truthful in its reporting.
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The Society should do the remnant a big favour and finally surrender to Rome. Then its decades-old blight on the health of traditionalism would hopefully come to an end and much clarity would prevail. Unfortunately, Menzingen still sees merit in operating its disastrous half-way house-ism profitably for getting on half a century. It can sustain its position only by recruiting those with no knowledge of the old church while those realising the Society has no mission fall away. Its revenue and crumbs from the Roman table will combine to decide its future. As we know, an institution can turn full circle and continue to exist.
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His righteous indignation turned into bitter zeal, which after the passing of many years has morphed into an intense hatred -- which seethes and oozes out from in-between every sentence.
Agreed. I actually wrote "them" (aka him) and told him this exact thing, and he brushed it off as appropriate.
Nevertheless, this report might be credible ... in terms of its substance. Who knows?
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MWhat other "acting role" does Bp Fellay know, than playing the hard-to-get, imperial "head or tradition" with twisted scruples?
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Rome doesn't want the SSPX and the SSPX doesn't want Rome. End of story...now can everyone get over it?
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Rome doesn't want the SSPX and the SSPX doesn't want Rome. End of story...now can everyone get over it?
The Society no longer has to have a declared mission to continue to exist. If it can maintain a following that likes the state of permanent suspension between the new and old churches and enough mothers' boys to ordain and replace the grumpy reactionaries, the books will be balanced and Sundays will find yet another distinctive body religiously active. Why disturb all this for the sake of a fading Roman nostalgia?
For her part Rome does not need annoying simulated reminders of the ancien regime unless they can be retired to the margins of acceptability. Prominently occupying one of the Seven Hills did seem rather unlikely.
I agree this soap opera is out of all proportion to to any historic importance it may possess. But one day we may be lucky and wake up to a rather uneventful merging of clerical interests and the laity will sigh with relief.
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The SSPX, such as it currently stands, no longer has a mission unless they are regularized by Vatican-II church. As a Vatican-II sedeplenist organization, the "state of necessity" is no longer.
They recognize Francis to be the pope, recognize current church leaders to be the true hierarchy.
Francis has extended a welcome hand to them. The table has been prepared for them. Novus ordo "Bishops" are ordering their priests in their dioceses to accept and register any and all SSPX marriages performed in their jurisdictional confines.
Even Voris has stfu about them.
They have hit rock bottom. There is nowhere to go from here unless they are "regularized". They will unavoidably lose faithful and clergy by whichever of the two ways they proceed. The cat's out of the bag.
And yet they will never be regularized...nor do they wish to be.
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The Society no longer has to have a declared mission to continue to exist. If it can maintain a following that likes the state of permanent suspension between the new and old churches and enough mothers' boys to ordain and replace the grumpy reactionaries, the books will be balanced and Sundays will find yet another distinctive body religiously active. Why disturb all this for the sake of a fading Roman nostalgia?
For her part Rome does not need annoying simulated reminders of the ancien regime unless they can be retired to the margins of acceptability. Prominently occupying one of the Seven Hills did seem rather unlikely.
I agree this soap opera is out of all proportion to to any historic importance it may possess. But one day we may be lucky and wake up to a rather uneventful merging of clerical interests and the laity will sigh with relief.
I do love your comments!
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Especially the 'ancien regime' and the 'seven hills' part!
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MAY 3, 2017 - SOLEMNITY OF ST. JOSEPH, SPOUSE OF THE BLESSED VIRGIN MARY
DOUBLE FEAST OF THE FIRST CLASS
Fellay's Sellout to Newchurch Has Been Stymied
Because Leaders among His Own People Threaten a Walk-out
From: Peter, the TRADITIO Network's Canadian Correspondent
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Are Bernie Fellay's Neo-SSPX Pews Headed for Walk-outs?
Fellay's Sellout to the Newchurch of the New Order Has Been Stymied
Fellay Can't Sign the Doctrinal Docuмent
Because Leaders among His Own People Threaten a Walk-out
Not All of the Little Neo-SSPX Flies Are Eager
To Fly into the Novus Ordo Spider Web
And What Is This Newchurch to Which Fellay Still Wishes to Fly?
It Is Moving Quickly from Protestantism to Paganism
Dear TRADITIO Fathers:
The Newvatican deceivers are up to their old tricks again. The truth is that the Newchurch's demoted Commission "Ecclesia Dei" proffered that insignificant little doctrinal docuмent for Bernie Fellay to sign. It was nothing, really; it was a mere bagatelle. However, many of the Neo-SSPX Superiors saw through the deception: it was a capitulation for the NSSPX and for the truth of the Catholic Faith. So they threatened a walk-out if he should dare to sign it. If he signs it, they will walk, taking a large part of the NSSPX with them. The Newchurch black widow would then lose half of his meal.
So, now, Newchurch has told Fellay that major players in Newcuria refuse the personal prelature plum. Newvatican wants to make it look as if it is not the NSSPX refusing the deal, but Newchurch liberals and even Neocon Newchurchers. It is said that Francis-Bergoglio himself, speaking through his mouthpiece, the journalist Andrea Tornieli, will refuse the personal prelature. In other words, the personal prelature is such a valuable gem that Newchurch cannot possibly afford to grant it to Fellay. "We're so sorry. We made a mistake. It's just too much of a concession to the Neo-SSPX."
However, perhaps, just maybe, if Fellay kneels before Newcardinal Muller, head of Newchurch Doctrine (Fellay being too unworthy to kneel before Bergoglio himself), Newvatican just might -- if Fellay can concoct enough Newrosary crusades -- grant the personal prelature gem after all. But this would be almost impossible for Newrome to do, so strong would be the opposition from the far left that controls Newchurch. In order to get that personal prelature plum, Fellay would have to sign the tiny little doctrinal agreement, that mere bagatelle. Even then, his chances for relief are not all that good.
The plum, the prize, is, in fact, a poison and a trap; and the trap is not a mere bagatelle! Today, the Neo-SSPX is still free as a bird, even though Fellay has been leading it towards the Novus Ordo cage since 2000. But it is still free for the moment. Newchurch threatens to take away the trap if Fellay does not capitulate, and Newchurch has hired liberals from without, like Tornieli, to imply that the trap is, of course, a paradise on earth. It is a beautiful bailiwick, which Fellay could hypothetically rule like a baron until he turns 75 in 2033 (if he lasts even a year at this rate!).
The good news is that Newrome is having to play these games because Fellay can't sign. He can't sign because leaders among his own people won't let him. Not all of the little Neo-SSPX flies are eager to fly into the Novus Ordo spider web. Some of them have seen what happens to such flies, such as the flies of the Franciscans of the Immaculate, the Knights of Malta, the Transalpine Redemptorists, the Institute of the Good Shepherd, the Fraternity of St. Peter, and the Institute of Christ the King. Their priests must preach pablum Novus Ordo sermons from the pulpit because they dare not cross the Marxist Newpope and Newbishops who rule Newchurch.
And what is this Newchurch to which Fellay still wishes to fly? It is moving quickly from Protestantism to paganism. Those in it who have any faith left need to flee while they still can. And they need to have somewhere to flee to, which is why Newchurch wants to swallow Archbishop Lefebvre's work once and for all. Now there is only the remnant in the independent traditional Catholic churches, chapels, and oratories and in the independent traditional Catholic organizations, such as the Society of St. Pius V, the Congregation of Mary Immaculate, The Traditional Resistance, etc.
As Our Lord indicates in Scripture, in the end there will be only a remnant left anyway. True Catholics need to make certain that they are in that remnant, not caught in the black widow's web.
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Especially the 'ancien regime' and the 'seven hills' part!
Well. I try and suggest that we are all becoming antiquarians no doubt residing in Bp. Fellay's posited 'Church of the Imagination'. There has to be a Disneyesque conclusion to all these years of frustration where the real experiences of our parents and grandparents are taking the form of a mythology which could be our only inheritance in that great mass of uncertainty in the making. Using Arthurian legend as the model, I would certainly assign the role of Merlin to Bp. Williamson as he magics his way out of papal conundrums and ensures our heavenly future. A simple faith would certainly drown under the weight of all this institutional elaboration and convolution .... but romantica will come to our rescue as that wonderful respite before oblivion.
Traditio's piece about Society old hands not wanting the feared changes to their lives is interesting. Having created the SSPX (which was only supposed to be an emergency measure), why spoil a settled life? They may have that familiar state of mind that wants things to stay as they are in their lifetime even if they feel things will indeed change after they have gone.
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"Merlin"... yes, I can see it!
The holy "wizard" from trad-wonderland
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He shows us the right path, saves us from the sede/schismatics and chases-off the αnтι-ѕємιтє dragons.
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Wessex,
Having created the SSPX (which was only supposed to be an emergency measure), why spoil a settled life?
Over the decades,this emergency measure, has taken to itself a cloak of permanence onto which it has implied its own lawfulness and legitimacy. The SSPX proper and its second iteration in the resistance, so called, have adopted this outlook and believe that simply acknowledging these aberrant conciliar popes codifies this status.
The Mass and Sacraments have been forged into the nose ring by which modern neo-traditionals are led this or that way, according to the personal wisdoms of particular clerics both living and deceased.
Perhaps you are onto something with this wizardry business? :furtive:
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Over the decades,this emergency measure, has taken to itself a cloak of permanence onto which it has implied its own lawfulness and legitimacy. The SSPX proper and its second iteration in the resistance, so called, have adopted this outlook and believe that simply acknowledging these aberrant conciliar popes codifies this status.
As long as Rome continues playing footsie with heresy and the evils of V2, then such 'emergency measures' are warranted and necessary, without question.
And, in the sense that we have no way of knowing when God will convert those clerics in Rome, or when He will restore the Church, such times of apostasy are "permanent", humanly speaking.
But it it's not the fault of Trads that we have to use such measures to keep the Faith. And 50 yrs isn't in any way a 'permanent' situation. Perhaps I'm missing your point?..
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No, having drilled into us that the mainstream is a different church (to justify their own organised dissidence), our leaders cannot now say that this alien church is the only path to salvation. Seeing how far conciliarism has advanced in eradicating the faith such a position defies all logic and relies on supernatural intervention for its realisation. I cannot imagine future converts to the faith wanting to recognise another church to the one they are joining. Such a suggestion would send the intended convert running in the opposite direction for the sake of his sanity! Exactly; we are now invited to support an insane proposition!
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@Wessex:Exactly; we are now invited to support an insane proposition!
That sums it all up.
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Wessex,
No, having drilled into us that the mainstream is a different church (to justify their own organised dissidence), our leaders cannot now say that this alien church is the only path to salvation.
Precisely!! The Faithful have been indoctrinated with, and have internalized this completely contradictory narrative for decades. This is surely cause why so many neo-Traditionals are confused and unable to exercise their faculties of logic and reason in Church matters. Catholic and conciliar are mutually exclusive and cannot be one and the same.
You are quite correct that most who would find the false church attractive enough to join it, would be poor candidates for conversion to the Catholic Church.
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No, having drilled into us that the mainstream is a different church (to justify their own organised dissidence), our leaders cannot now say that this alien church is the only path to salvation.
The mainstream church is not 100% catholic, ergo, it is different than the past 2,000 yrs. Are you debating this fact?
Secondly, it seems like you're criticizing Trad clerics for not having a complete, thorough and simple answer to the times we are living in. Why do you assume they should have one? Didn't Our Lady of LaSallete warn of confusion (The Church will be in eclipse) and OL of Fatima of error (Russia will spread her errors)? If the answer was easy, then the Trad world would be united behind an obvious solution. If times were not to be confusing and dire, why would Our Lordy warn against 'wolves in sheeps' clothing?
Seeing how far conciliarism has advanced in eradicating the faith such a position defies all logic and relies on supernatural intervention for its realisation.
It seems you want to blame clerics for the mess we are in. God has allowed this mess, first and foremost. He has also allowed the devil to create it. And God has told us by multiple apparitions and prophecies that such times will happen...just as He foretold his passion to the Apostles, but they did not understand.
Yes, I agree, that such times will require supernatural intervention. I think that's whole point - God is allowing mankind to screw up and then He will allow His Mother to clean it up, so that "modern" man will realize its powerlessness and errors in shutting out God from society.
I cannot imagine future converts to the faith wanting to recognise another church to the one they are joining. Such a suggestion would send the intended convert running in the opposite direction for the sake of his sanity! Exactly; we are now invited to support an insane proposition!
A convert should convert for the Truth, not the Church. Normally, they are united and it is hard to distinguish between them, but in our day and age, the human element of the Church is totally unCatholic, even while the spiritual Truths of Christ's bride remain pure. Grace and goodwill will lead anyone to the Truth, regardless of the circuмstances. Faith is greater than reason and God can enlighten our Faith even when our reason finds obstacles.
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Wessex, I could be misinterpreting your post, as your poetic riddles are usually hard to decipher.
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May 9, 2017 - St. Gregory nαzιanzen, Bishop, Confessor & Doctor
Double Feast
A Reader Writes: "Fellay's Neo-SSPX Is Has Already Gone Novus Ordo
In 2016 It Used the Novus Ordo Sect's Mass Calendar at Some of Its Sites"
From: The TRADITIO Fathers
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Novus Ordo or Neo-SSPX? These Days It's Hard to Tell
Actually, This Is a Mess Simulated by a "Personal Prelature" Group
Which Bernie Fellay, Superior-Dictator of the Neo-SSPX, Wants to Emulate
The TRADITIO Network Has Received Reports from around the World
That Fellay's Neo-SSPX Is Already Assimilating to the Novus Ordo Sect
In Using Vatican II "Liturgies," in Using Novus Ordo Clergy, and in Other Areas
Fellay just Can't Wait for the Official "Imprimatur"
Of the Marxist Newpope Francis-Bergoglio
So He Has Jumped the Gun on Beginning the Process
To Novus Ordoization at His Sites
Dear TRADITIO Fathers:
There is more proof of what TRADITIO's Canadian Correspondent has reported about opposition by various Neo-SSPX Superiors to Bernie Fellay's sellout to the New Order sect. In 2016, the Ordo (Mass Calendar) and Directory of the Fraternity of St. Peter (FSSP), a Novus Ordo "Indult" group, was issued to various Neo-SSPX chapels. There must have been opposition to this sellout, however, from the Superiors, as an in-house Neo-SSPX edition, albeit quite minimal and insipid, was issued for the year 2017.
The TRADITIO Fathers Reply.
True Catholics, the TRADITIO Network has received reports from around the world that Bernie Fellay's Neo-SSPX is already assimilating to the Novus Ordo sect: in using Vatican II "liturgies," in using Novus Ordo clergy, and in other areas. Fellay just can't wait for the official "imprimatur" of the Marxist Newpope Francis-Bergoglio to become a Novus Ordinarian, so he has jumped the gun on beginning the process to the Novus Ordoization at his sites.