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From Traditio: Hmmm
« on: April 24, 2017, 08:51:15 AM »
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    • April 26, 2017 - Sts. Cletus & Marcellinus, Popes & Martyrs
     Semidouble Feast
    A Noted Newvaticanologist and Confident of the Newpope
     Reports that Francis-Bergoglio Has No Intention of Accepting Fellay and His Neo-SSPX
    From: The TRADITIO Fathers

    Andrea Tornielli, One of Newvatican's Most Recognized Journalists
     And a Known Confidant of Newpope Francis-Bergoglio
     Has Reported that, Contrary to Common Scuttlebut
     Bergoglio Has No Intention of Making Bernie Fellay and His Neo-SSPX
     A "Personal Prelature" of Newchurch
     There Is Too Much Dissension within the Neo-SSPX
     One of Its Bishops Left, 100 of Its Priests Left
     And Many of Its District Superiors Reject a Sellout to the New Order Sect
    A noted Newvaticanologist, Andrea Tornielli, has reported on April 14, 2017, that on the basis of discussions he has had with top officials in Francis-Bergoglio's residence in the Domus Sanctae Marthae and contrary to common scuttlebutt, Bergoglio has no intention of making Bernie Fellay and his Neo-SSPX a "personal prelature" of Newchurch. It was speculated that Bergoglio personally had fed this information to Tornielli.
    Tornielli reported that in fact the situation between Fellay and Bergoglio had not changed in the last months. The regional superiors of the Neo-SSPX have refused to let Fellay sign the doctrinal statement offered by Newvatican, which requires the Neo-SSPX to profess its faith in the Newchurch of the New Order. Tornielli reports that Newvatican is in no hurry to accept Fellay into Newchurch, particularly because there is so much dissension within his Neo-SSPX. One of its bishops left, 100 of its priest left, and many of its district superiors reject a sellout to the New Order sect. [Some information for this Commentary was contributed by Vatican Insider.]
    True Catholics, for his own purposes the perfidious Fellay likes to gin up news stories on himself. Like his master, the Modernist Francis-Bergoglio, Fellay is a narcissist to an extreme. If only Archbishop Lefebvfe had not died in 1991, one could see the resources of the original traditional Society of St. Pius X being used to bring droves of disaffected Newchurchers back to the true Catholic doctrine and morals and to the true Catholic Mass and Sacraments. Fellay, to the contrary, has wasted the Neo-SSPX's money and resources by playing useless political games with the anti-Catholic Newchurch and its anti-Catholic Newpope.
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    Re: From Traditio: Hmmm
    « Reply #1 on: April 24, 2017, 10:34:06 AM »
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    • I'm no fan of the Conciliar Church, Novus Ordo Mass, Modernism, etc. (to use an understatement-of-the- century) but Traditio.com is over-the-top as usual.

    His garbage is hard to read. Must he use childish name calling IN EVERY BLOODY SENTENCE? I get the point already! I think even a 7-year-old would have gotten the point years ago, how he feels about the conciliar church.

    His righteous indignation turned into bitter zeal, which after the passing of many years has morphed into an intense hatred -- which seethes and oozes out from in-between every sentence.

    He needs to get that hatred checked out -- or it could be fatal (for his soul).

    P.S. What mental reservation lie does he employ in order to call himself "the Traditio Fathers", which gives the impression that Traditio is the voice of a solemn, wise body of elders, or a mature council? On the contrary, it's a SINGLE man of dubious orders, the infamous "father" Moderator, a.k.a. Fr. Morrison.
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    Re: From Traditio: Hmmm
    « Reply #2 on: April 24, 2017, 10:56:38 AM »
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    • I read Traditio often. I much prefer it to Novus Ordo Watch. I can barely read the headlines at Novus Ordo Watch. I agree there are problems with Traditio, but I read it for Church news.
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    Re: From Traditio: Hmmm
    « Reply #3 on: April 24, 2017, 12:10:08 PM »
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    • Bp. Fellay was at our parish yesterday. He mentioned the situation with Rome briefly during his sermon. He said that Rome was in such a terrible state that many bishops and some cardinals tell the SSPX to "resist." He asserts those people want "regularization" because they want help in fighting the modernists. He said (paraphrase close to a quote), "They have a new mission for the Society -- to fight the modernists in the Church." 

    All in all, nothing he said was particularly new from the conference he gave a few months back that was publicized via video. I was somewhat struck by his sense of optimism. But, he also touted the need for "prudence." 

    It should be noted that the purpose of his discussion of the topic was not to explain the situation or generate support. He was merely explaining to those to be confirmed yesterday that, as a result of the sacrament of confirmation, they are soldiers in this fight where, he says, the True Faith is our greatest weapon. I agree with his sentiment, and thought his sermon was outstanding, even though I disagree with his optimism about an accord.
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    Re: From Traditio: Hmmm
    « Reply #4 on: April 24, 2017, 03:41:06 PM »
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    • The Eponymous Flower had this information last week  http://eponymousflower.blogspot.com/2017/04/house-vaticanist-puts-brake-on.html
    I happen to agree that Francis doesn't want them. He knows he can destroy them just as effectively from the outside. It is the SSPX leadership who is very anxious to get it done.
    Anyway, for Rome, The 10th Anniversary of Summorum Pontificuм (which they had suggested as one of the dates) would be more fitting, 7/7/17.
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    Re: From Traditio: Hmmm
    « Reply #5 on: April 24, 2017, 04:23:40 PM »
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    • What is true, is what is seen.  Bishop Fellay should not being playing footsie with New Order, and why?  Truth:  a lot of wasted time, money and  loss of members.
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    Re: From Traditio: Hmmm
    « Reply #6 on: April 25, 2017, 02:49:16 AM »
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    • Quote from: ermylaw on April 24, 2017, 12:10:08 PM
    Bp. Fellay was at our parish yesterday. He mentioned the situation with Rome briefly during his sermon. He said that Rome was in such a terrible state that many bishops and some cardinals tell the SSPX to "resist." He asserts those people want "regularization" because they want help in fighting the modernists. He said (paraphrase close to a quote), "They have a new mission for the Society -- to fight the modernists in the Church."

    All in all, nothing he said was particularly new from the conference he gave a few months back that was publicized via video. I was somewhat struck by his sense of optimism. But, he also touted the need for "prudence."

    It should be noted that the purpose of his discussion of the topic was not to explain the situation or generate support. He was merely explaining to those to be confirmed yesterday that, as a result of the sacrament of confirmation, they are soldiers in this fight where, he says, the True Faith is our greatest weapon. I agree with his sentiment, and thought his sermon was outstanding, even though I disagree with his optimism about an accord.
    I thought Bishop Tissier was stationed in the USA to do the ordinations and confirmations there ...
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    Re: From Traditio: Hmmm
    « Reply #7 on: April 25, 2017, 07:03:08 AM »
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    • Quote from: AJNC on April 25, 2017, 02:49:16 AM
    I thought Bishop Tissier was stationed in the USA to do the ordinations and confirmations there ...
    He's doing most of them. 

    http://sspx.org/en/news-events/news/spring-and-summer-confirmation-dates
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    Re: From Traditio: Hmmm
    « Reply #8 on: April 25, 2017, 12:41:00 PM »
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    • Quote from: Matto on April 24, 2017, 10:56:38 AM
    I much prefer it to Novus Ordo Watch. I can barely read the headlines at Novus Ordo Watch.
    Since I said this I should elaborate a little. I disagree with Novus Ordo Watch on many issues, but there are other websites I also disagree with like Traditio but like reading. What bothers me about Novus Ordo Watch in particular is their attitude and also their style and personality.
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    Re: From Traditio: Hmmm
    « Reply #9 on: April 25, 2017, 01:08:06 PM »
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    • Quote from: Matto on April 25, 2017, 12:41:00 PM
    Since I said this I should elaborate a little. I disagree with Novus Ordo Watch on many issues, but there are other websites I also disagree with like Traditio but like reading. What bothers me about Novus Ordo Watch in particular is their attitude and also their style and personality.
    Fair enough.  While I don't necessarily agree with all of the opinions posted on Novus Ordo Watch, I think it is probably one of the best sources of news concerning the Conciliar sect.  Novus Ordo Watch does not conduct original reporting, but links to news reports found on the internet in secular sources, diocesan websites, and even the Vatican's website.  Personally, I like Novus Ordo Watch's "attitude" and the often wry-humor sometimes found on their posts.
    Individuals probably should not take anyone's word for the readability of the website but should check it out for themselves.  One thing that can be said about Novus Ordo Watch is that they do not spread untruths.  They may link to a credible website that posted something that is not true, but Novus Ordo Watch is always completely truthful in its reporting.
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    Re: From Traditio: Hmmm
    « Reply #10 on: April 26, 2017, 06:31:46 AM »
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    • The Society should do the remnant a big favour and finally surrender to Rome. Then its decades-old blight on the health of traditionalism would hopefully come to an end and much clarity would prevail. Unfortunately, Menzingen still sees merit in operating its disastrous half-way house-ism profitably for getting on half a century. It can sustain its position only by recruiting those with no knowledge of the old church while those realising the Society has no mission fall away. Its revenue and crumbs from the Roman table will combine to decide its future. As we know, an institution can turn full circle and continue to exist.  
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    Re: From Traditio: Hmmm
    « Reply #11 on: April 26, 2017, 11:44:39 AM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on April 24, 2017, 10:34:06 AM
    His righteous indignation turned into bitter zeal, which after the passing of many years has morphed into an intense hatred -- which seethes and oozes out from in-between every sentence.

    Agreed.  I actually wrote "them" (aka him) and told him this exact thing, and he brushed it off as appropriate.

    Nevertheless, this report might be credible ... in terms of its substance.  Who knows?
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    Re: From Traditio: Hmmm
    « Reply #12 on: April 26, 2017, 11:54:09 AM »
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    • MWhat other "acting role" does Bp Fellay know, than playing the hard-to-get, imperial "head or tradition" with twisted scruples?
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    Re: From Traditio: Hmmm
    « Reply #13 on: April 27, 2017, 09:07:08 PM »
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    • Rome doesn't want the SSPX and the SSPX doesn't want Rome.  End of story...now can everyone get over it?
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    Re: From Traditio: Hmmm
    « Reply #14 on: April 28, 2017, 12:43:39 PM »
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    • Quote from: bernadette on April 27, 2017, 09:07:08 PM
    Rome doesn't want the SSPX and the SSPX doesn't want Rome.  End of story...now can everyone get over it?
    The Society no longer has to have a declared mission to continue to exist. If it can maintain a following that likes the state of permanent suspension between the new and old churches and enough mothers' boys to ordain and replace the grumpy reactionaries, the books will be balanced and Sundays will find yet another distinctive body religiously active. Why disturb all this for the sake of a fading Roman nostalgia?

    For her part Rome does not need annoying simulated reminders of the ancien regime unless they can be retired to the margins of acceptability. Prominently occupying one of the Seven Hills did seem rather unlikely.

    I agree this soap opera is out of all proportion to to any historic importance it may possess. But one day we may be lucky and wake up to a rather uneventful merging of clerical interests and the laity will sigh with relief.      
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