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From the St. Athanasius Church Bulletin, July 7, 2013
« on: July 08, 2013, 07:14:53 AM »
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  • For those who have read the SSPX official statement on the twenty-fifth anniversary of "Operation Survival," we make the following observation. Was not this an exercise in damage control? The SSPX has been so weakened by its readiness to throw doctrine to the wind in search of a deal with Benedict XVI, that it is now necessary to appear more traditional, while they wait out the term of Francis for a Benedict XVII. The younger conciliar clergy, as the story goes, tend to be more conservative. The older-breed liberal clergy are slowly dying out. It is only a matter of time before the climate becomes more favorable for a deal again. Good and well, if that means the true conversion of neo-Rome back to the Catholic faith. Number 11 of the declaration, however, tells a different story. It leaves the door open to a practical agreement without a doctrinal one.

    11- This love of the Church explains the rule that Archbishop Lefebvre always observed: to follow Providence in all circumstances, without ever allowing oneself to anticipate it. We mean to do the same: either when Rome returns to Tradition and to the Faith of all time -- which would re-establish order in the Church; or when she explicitly acknowledges our right to profess integrally the Faith and to reject the errors which oppose it....

    So even if Rome remains modernist, take us in anyway. We will be satisfied to be just another part of the conciliar pantheon, along with the heretics, ecumaniacs, pantheists, or whatever else is there. The declaration sounds as if there has been a shift back to what the SSPX always stood for, but the door to a deal remains open. Nothing has really changed. It just sounds different. The contents of the can remain the same. The label on the outside just looks a little more like Archbishop Lefebvre.

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    From the St. Athanasius Church Bulletin, July 7, 2013
    « Reply #1 on: July 08, 2013, 08:26:59 AM »
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  • Point 11 is double-speak.  "We reject a deal, but we'll accept a deal."  Used in this document are specific techniques of wording so to play into the emotions and thus dupe the uninitiated.  Have the three Bishops been studying Rules for Radicals?  Because Mr. Alinsky teaches how to do this.  Why do so few fail to recognize it?  It is Communist thinking otherwise known as "dialectical materialism."  So the errors of Russia infect and destroy the SSPX.  Archbishop Lefebvre must be turning in his grave.
     :sad:
     St. Francis Xavier threw a Crucifix into the sea, at once calming the waves.  Upon reaching the shore, the Crucifix was returned to him by a crab with a curious cross pattern on its shell.  


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    From the St. Athanasius Church Bulletin, July 7, 2013
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    So even if Rome remains modernist, take us in anyway. We will be satisfied to be just another part of the conciliar pantheon, along with the heretics, ecumaniacs, pantheists, or whatever else is there.

    During a conference given by Fr. Hewko on May 12, 2013 in Toronto, I asked a question regarding the first of the six conditions of the 2012 SSPX General Chapter to which Fr. Hewko responded that the first condition is an indirect attack against doctrine in that it implicitly promotes religious indifferentism. On a doctrinal level, therefore, the first condition is actually the worst of the six and yet this is the one that is praised as being the bulwark in protecting the SSPX should a canonical agreement be reached prior to Rome's conversion.

    Here is the relevant extract of that conference:

    http://www.ecclesiamilitans.com/2013_05_12...t_-_Toronto.mp3

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    From the St. Athanasius Church Bulletin, July 7, 2013
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  • There have been "red light" issues over these past few years. We were told that the TLM was never properly abrogated and that Quo Primum authorized any priest to celebrate it. Yet, Te Deums were sung when Summorum Pontificum was issued. We were told that the excommunications were never either just or valid, yet thanks were offered to Newrome upon their being lifted. We have been told that the withdrawal of  canonical recognition  from the SSPX in 1976 by Newrome was not valid as legal procedures were not correctly followed; but now, the very upper crust of the SSPX thinks that canonical recognition freshly issued by the Modernists is a sine qua non for the Society. Is the dialog between the SSPX and the Apostates over?
    Even North and South Korea do not permanently shut off avenues for dialog.

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    From the St. Athanasius Church Bulletin, July 7, 2013
    « Reply #4 on: July 08, 2013, 11:00:09 AM »
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    Thank you everyone on this thread for your comments.  

    It seems DAW has the highest stats on CI with 700% approval rating,
    100% likers and 0% dislikers.  Congratulations, DAW!  

    You have put into words what I have been thinking, but I would never
    have come up with your style of expression.  It seems to me that you
    proffer something much more palatable and possible to share with the
    opposition.  When I try to explain it, they get agitated and run away.
    So I must be doing something a bit too extreme, and by studying your
    approach, I find I have a lot to learn.  So I thank you.


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    For those who have read the SSPX official statement on the twenty-fifth anniversary of "Operation Survival," we make the following observation:

    Was not this an exercise in damage control?


    The SSPX has been so weakened by its readiness to throw doctrine to the wind in search of a deal with Benedict XVI, that it is now necessary to appear more traditional, while they wait out the term of Francis for a Benedict XVII!

    The younger conciliar clergy, as the story goes, tend to be more conservative. The older-breed liberal clergy are slowly dying out. It is only a matter of time before the climate becomes more favorable for a deal again. Good and well, if that means the true conversion of neo-Rome back to the Catholic faith. Number 11 of the declaration, however, tells a different story. It leaves the door open to a practical agreement without a doctrinal one.


    11- This love of the Church explains the rule that Archbishop Lefebvre always observed: to follow Providence in all circumstances, without ever allowing oneself to anticipate it. We mean to do the same: either when Rome returns to Tradition and to the Faith of all time -- which would re-establish order in the Church; or when she explicitly acknowledges our right to profess integrally the Faith and to reject the errors which oppose it....


    So even if Rome remains modernist, take us in anyway! We will be satisfied to be just another part of the conciliar pantheon, along with the heretics, ecumaniacs, pantheists, or whatever else is there!

    The declaration sounds as if there has been a shift back to what the SSPX always stood for, but the door to a deal remains open. Nothing has really changed. It just sounds different. The contents of the can remain the same. The label on the outside just looks a little more like Archbishop Lefebvre.




    Your imagery is profound and your analysis spot on.  I would say that the
    Declaration on the Silver Anniversary of Operation Survival is a thinly
    veiled attempt at damage control, as it is ONE STEP BACK, preparing for
    TWO STEPS FORWARD, coming soon to an SSPX chapel-near-you!  You
    heard it on CI first.  Keep your wicks trimmed and your eyes peeled, those
    with eyes to see and wicks to trim!!  WATCH and pray!


    Even if Rome remains modernist, well, TAKE US IN ANYWAY!  Pleeeeeease!

    This could very well be HEBF*s theme song refrain!


    Even if Rome remains modernist, well, TAKE US IN ANYWAY!  Pleeeeeease!

    Where's Arlo Guthrie when you need him?!  


    Even if Rome remains modernist, well, TAKE US IN ANYWAY!  Pleeeeeease!

    Set this to the style of Irish folk music and clap your hands!


    Even if Rome remains modernist, well, TAKE US IN ANYWAY!  Pleeeeeease!

    The Resistance needs a songwriter!  Any takers?   :guitar:



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    From the St. Athanasius Church Bulletin, July 7, 2013
    « Reply #5 on: July 08, 2013, 12:44:08 PM »
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  • A note of correction.

    Laymen do need write in the St. Athanasius Bulletin. Our good priests do.

    God bless them!

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    From the St. Athanasius Church Bulletin, July 7, 2013
    « Reply #6 on: July 08, 2013, 06:43:49 PM »
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  • Borrowing from the 1960s Vietnam lament....

    "And it's 1..2...3 what are we praying for (4)?
    We dont wanna be damned, stay away you conciLIAR man!

    And it's 5.6..7 St Peter's at the pearly gates..

    In a modernist church I dont want to die."



    "Back to the SSPX......you're gonna be sorry boy....back to the SSPX!"


    "Somebody's knocking on the door, somebody's ringing church bells,
    it's Bishop Fellay at the door, open the modernist gates and let him in..."

    "Gather us in at the steps of the newrome, gather us in cuz were lonely out here,
    we want to be full of communion, we want a taste of apostate cheer!"

    "Dont trust the Fellaymen, lest you will tricked twice,
    Dont trust the Fellaymen, because they'll take to newrome's side!"


    Kudos to those who know what songs I am parodying. :geezer:

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    From the St. Athanasius Church Bulletin, July 7, 2013
    « Reply #7 on: July 08, 2013, 07:09:54 PM »
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    DAW said:
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    So even if Rome remains modernist, take us in anyway. We will be satisfied to be just another part of the conciliar pantheon, along with the heretics, ecumaniacs, pantheists, or whatever else is there.






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    From the St. Athanasius Church Bulletin, July 7, 2013
    « Reply #8 on: July 08, 2013, 08:48:47 PM »
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    Borrowing from the 1960s Vietnam lament....

    "And it's 1..2...3 what are we praying for (4)?
    We dont wanna be damned, stay away you conciLIAR man!

    And it's 5.6..7 St Peter's at the pearly gates..

    In a modernist church I dont want to die."



    (Country Joe McDonald ~ I Feel Like I'm Fixin to Die Rag)

    And it's 1, 2, 3, what'r we fightin' for (4)?
    Don't ask me I don't give a damn
    Next stop is Viet Nam!
    And it's 5, 6, 7, open up the pearly gates (G8s)!
    Ain't no time to wonder why -
    Whooopie! We're all gonna die!



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    "Back to the SSPX......you're gonna be sorry boy....back to the SSPX!"


    (Beatles, White Album ~ Back in the U.S.S.R.)

    You don't know how lucky you are, boys,
    Back in the US- Back in the US- Back in the USSR!


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    "Somebody's knocking on the door, somebody's ringing church bells,
    it's Bishop Fellay at the door, open the modernist gates and let him in..."


    (Paul McCartney, '76, Wings at the Speed of Sound ~ Let 'Em In.)

    Someone's knockin' at the door
    Someone's ringin' the bell
    Do me a favor, open the door
    And let him in.  Yeah, yeah

    Sister Suzie, Brother John,
    Martin Luther, Phil and Don
    Brother Micheal, Auntie Jin,
    Open the door, Let 'em in, oh yeah.

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    "Gather us in at the steps of the newrome, gather us in cuz were lonely out here,
    we want to be full of communion, we want a taste of apostate cheer!"


    (Protestant hymn, swing style/folk tune)

    Shall we gather at the river where bright angel feet have trod?
    With its crystal tide forever, flowing by the throne of God
    Yes, we'll gather at the river, the beautiful, the beautiful river
    Gather with the saints at the river, that flows by the throne of God.


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    "Dont trust the Fellaymen, lest you will tricked twice,
    Dont trust the Fellaymen, because they'll take to newrome's side!"



    (The Who, 1971 ~ Won't Get Fooled Again) this is probably wrong... but, not bad...

    We'll be fighting in the streets
    With our children at our feet
    And the morals that they worship will be gone
    And the men who spurred us on
    Sit in judgement of our wrongs
    They decide and the shotgun sings the song

    I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
    Take a bow for the new revolution
    Smile and grin at the change all around
    Pick up my guitar and play
    Just like yesterday
    Then I'll get on my knees and pray
    We don't get fooled again

    The change, it had to come
    We knew it all along
    We were liberated from the four-minute song
    And the world looks just the same
    And history ain't changed
    'Cause the banners, they all flown in the last war



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    Kudos to those who know what songs I am parodying. :geezer:
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    From the St. Athanasius Church Bulletin, July 7, 2013
    « Reply #9 on: July 08, 2013, 09:09:52 PM »
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  • Just to repeat the clarification:

    Quote from: DAW
    A note of correction.

    Laymen do not write in the St. Athanasius Bulletin. Our good priests do.

    God bless them!


    Quote from: DAW
    Quote from: The St. Athanasius Church Bulletin, July 7, 2013
    For those who have read the SSPX official statement on the twenty-fifth anniversary of "Operation Survival," we make the following observation. Was not this an exercise in damage control? The SSPX has been so weakened by its readiness to throw doctrine to the wind in search of a deal with Benedict XVI, that it is now necessary to appear more traditional, while they wait out the term of Francis for a Benedict XVII. The younger conciliar clergy, as the story goes, tend to be more conservative. The older-breed liberal clergy are slowly dying out. It is only a matter of time before the climate becomes more favorable for a deal again. Good and well, if that means the true conversion of neo-Rome back to the Catholic faith. Number 11 of the declaration, however, tells a different story. It leaves the door open to a practical agreement without a doctrinal one.

    11- This love of the Church explains the rule that Archbishop Lefebvre always observed: to follow Providence in all circumstances, without ever allowing oneself to anticipate it. We mean to do the same: either when Rome returns to Tradition and to the Faith of all time -- which would re-establish order in the Church; or when she explicitly acknowledges our right to profess integrally the Faith and to reject the errors which oppose it....

    So even if Rome remains modernist, take us in anyway. We will be satisfied to be just another part of the conciliar pantheon, along with the heretics, ecumaniacs, pantheists, or whatever else is there. The declaration sounds as if there has been a shift back to what the SSPX always stood for, but the door to a deal remains open. Nothing has really changed. It just sounds different. The contents of the can remain the same. The label on the outside just looks a little more like Archbishop Lefebvre.

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    From the St. Athanasius Church Bulletin, July 7, 2013
    « Reply #10 on: July 09, 2013, 12:46:52 AM »
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  • .

    Maybe the last one is supposed to be ,
    1967 James Bond movie theme song?



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    From the St. Athanasius Church Bulletin, July 7, 2013
    « Reply #11 on: July 09, 2013, 04:13:42 PM »
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  •  :cheers: Neil Obstat!

    Impressive, most impressive......

    The last one is Dont Pay the Ferryman by Chris De Burgh, a musical take of what to do when you are up the Styx without a Charon.....

    Other songs about the Neo-SSPX wanting to regularize....

    "Highway to the danger zone"

    "You take my faith away"

    "Final countdown"

    "Dont cry for me accordista"


    "you cant on, thinking, nothing's wrong, well, whose going to newrome tonight?"

    "We want to live our lives, praying in a conciliar paradise. We think the guys from Rome are nice, and smells and bells will just suffice."

     

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