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Offline parentsfortruth

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From the Rorate Caeli comments
« on: October 15, 2012, 11:45:49 AM »
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  • Quote from: Ted Maysfield
    "My problem with him is that he is pretty much a sedevacantist but doesn’t admit it. If you look at his characterizations of the Church under the past three popes as “newchurch” this is not hard to see. He believes the strict observance of the SSPX is the Church; and the pope, cardinals and bishops are something else, heretic “newchurch." That is sedevacantism."


    Quote from: Matamoros
    No you need to look at what the SSPX means by expressions like "Conciliar Church" or "Newchurch". They're talking, not about a separate jusrisdiction which they don't recognise, or another church, but that section of the Catholic Church (most of it) which is imbued with a new spirit which they reject. Archbishop Lefebvre went to Rome; Bishop Williamson has been to Rome. Whatever one may think of their views, they recognise the Pope, and are not sedevacantists. Bishop Williamson can't end up in the same boat as Dolan, because they don't agree.


    Quote from: Alan Aversa
    "Even if he leaves the SSPX, he's still a Catholic bishop, right?"


    Quote from:  Matamoros
    You got it!
    What astonishes me is the pompousness and sectarianism of a certain kind of goody two shoes traditionalist. How is it that they cheerfully excomunicate and throw out of the Catholic Church someone like Bishop Williamson? He and the entire SSPX and all the faithful who receive sacraments from them are recognised by Rome as members of the Catholic Church (whatever the disagreements about VatII and canonical status).

    We can have opinions about his opinions till the cows come home but "Newchurch" says Williamson is our brother in the faith and a member of Christ's Mystical Body.
    Think about this and try to remember those who are responsible for almost wrecking the Church.


    I can't believe how they're trying to say he's a closet sede vacantist now. +Williamson has made it amply clear that he is NOT a sede vacantist, but the propaganda machine tries to paint him as one to make it look like HE is in the wrong, and that he would be against ANY kind of agreement. The only agreement +Williamson would be for, is the Newchurch giving up their heresy completely and going back to tradition 100%. He does not deny that BXVI is the pope.
    Matthew 5:37

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    From the Rorate Caeli comments
    « Reply #1 on: October 15, 2012, 12:17:26 PM »
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    Quote from: Ted Maysfield
    "My problem with him is that he is pretty much a sedevacantist but doesn’t admit it. If you look at his characterizations of the Church under the past three popes as “newchurch” this is not hard to see. He believes the strict observance of the SSPX is the Church; and the pope, cardinals and bishops are something else, heretic “newchurch." That is sedevacantism."


    Quote from: Matamoros
    No you need to look at what the SSPX means by expressions like "Conciliar Church" or "Newchurch". They're talking, not about a separate jusrisdiction which they don't recognise, or another church, but that section of the Catholic Church (most of it) which is imbued with a new spirit which they reject. Archbishop Lefebvre went to Rome; Bishop Williamson has been to Rome. Whatever one may think of their views, they recognise the Pope, and are not sedevacantists. Bishop Williamson can't end up in the same boat as Dolan, because they don't agree.


    Quote from: Alan Aversa
    "Even if he leaves the SSPX, he's still a Catholic bishop, right?"


    Quote from:  Matamoros
    You got it!
    What astonishes me is the pompousness and sectarianism of a certain kind of goody two shoes traditionalist. How is it that they cheerfully excomunicate and throw out of the Catholic Church someone like Bishop Williamson? He and the entire SSPX and all the faithful who receive sacraments from them are recognised by Rome as members of the Catholic Church (whatever the disagreements about VatII and canonical status).

    We can have opinions about his opinions till the cows come home but "Newchurch" says Williamson is our brother in the faith and a member of Christ's Mystical Body.
    Think about this and try to remember those who are responsible for almost wrecking the Church.


    I can't believe how they're trying to say he's a closet sede vacantist now. +Williamson has made it amply clear that he is NOT a sede vacantist, but the propaganda machine tries to paint him as one to make it look like HE is in the wrong, and that he would be against ANY kind of agreement. The only agreement +Williamson would be for, is the Newchurch giving up their heresy completely and going back to tradition 100%. He does not deny that BXVI is the pope.


    This is NewChurch.  This is Novus Ordo.  Question the Pope--then you are a sede-vacantist.  Challenge that something now is not what it was before, then you are questioning the Pope and therefore a sedevacantist.  

    It is irrational.  It is like me saying to my father--"Dad, I don't think this is correct.  You told me it was different last year.  Can you please clarify."  And my father saying--"Oh, you dared to say that.  You must not be my child.  Get out!"

    It's insane.

    NewChurchSSPX.