:sad: This is getting very bad. Sour grapes on both sides! The devil is happy when wounded souls drift away from the Church.
Frances-- you are confusing people. How is this a demonstration of sour grapes on both sides?
The (mis) management surely has sour grapes because their great scam has been, at least temporarily, derailed.
Lies?
Was it the truth to make Ratzinger (and the cardinals) think that the faithful of the SSPX supported the sodomites and heretics running the establishment church?
Was it the truth for Fellay to tell a cardinal that "had the Archbishop seen YOUR mass (a novus ordo, bastardized service dressed-up with decorations of tradition), then he NEVER would have ordained priests, consecrated bishops, or, perhaps, started the SSPX?
Was it the truth for Fellay to say that "those who oppose the Vatican II just haven't read the docuмents?"
Was it the truth for Fellay to say that 'we could accept a little bit of religious liberty (which is a mortal sin)?'
Was it the truth for Fellay to tell his audiences all over the world that these perverts, heretics,masons, Jєωs and anti-Catholics who have infiltrated the church 'are our brothers, our fathers--what can we do? We can't refuse them, we can't just kick them out, we must take care of them!', as he did in Adelaide? (even Fellay surely knows that a Jєω can't be a Catholic Bishop, that a heretic is not a bishop and certainly can't be a pope, that an agnostic cannot be a member of the Catholic Church)
Was it the truth for Rostand and LeRoux , and others to claim that 'only Fellay was given the grace of state', which is a complete denial of the sacramental powers of orders?
Was it the truth for LeRoux to claim, as he did to me in Auriesville, that 'oh no, we haven't had ANYTHING to do with GREC-- that was all the doings of the (former) head of the French district, who Bishop Fellay kicked out' ( especially since it was Fellay's very assistants themselves who were participating in and even coordinating GREC proceedings and activities)?
Was it the truth for Fellay and Co.to promote a "Rosary Crusade" to obtain from the "Blessed Mother" the 'lifting of the excommunication' and the 'freeing of the Mass', when they ALL KNEW that those very two points were accepted positions of GREC, and were already agreed to by the very highest authorities in the church--AND when they all knew that the 'bastard' mass could NEVER be a fitting worship to Almighty God, and that Pius V had ALREADY given all priests the right to say the True Mass?
Was it the truth for Fellay and Co to expel very good and faithful priests who were simply trying to alert their flocks of the impending "deal", charging them
(the priests) with rumor-mongering, making up stories, fabricating lies , etc, all based on the "fact" that the "official story" was "there is no deal with Rome"--when, IN FACT, Fellay himself, as he now has admitted, BELIEVED that he did have, indeed, a "deal", and he even BELIEVED that Ratzinger himself was in on the deal?
Was it the truth for Fellay , and other spokespeople, to claim "we don't know anything about what Msgr Williamson says, we've never heard of these things, we have no competency to speak of things of a historical nature", knowing full well that they did, indeed know how Bishop Williamson spoke; they knew well his thoughts; they even knew that many of his thoughts had also been shared in fact, by the Archbishop, and by many priests; and that , indeed, priests and Bishops, especially, have it as part of their mandate to teach true history, lest their people be lost for a lack of knowledge. Fellay and Co surely knew that it was the failure of the Bishops to warn their flocks that caused the murder of the Cristeros; that it was the failure of the bishops of the world to warn their flocks that resulted in Communism over-running entire continents and murdering millions of Catholics, as Our Lady warned; That it was the failure of the bishops to teach their flocks that resulted in the world being drawn into two massive world wars to satisfy the greedy industrial financiers and money changers. If the Bishops can't talk and teach about history, how can they possibly teach about the Moslems, the Crusades, the fall of Rome, the Greek empire, the Protestant revolution, the escape from Rome into France by the popes, the fall of the Temple, the crucifixion of Christ, the spread of the gospels, the birth of the Church, the journeys of Moses , the lives of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and the expulsion from the Garden of Eden? If you can't talk about historical truths ( and lies), then how in the world could you talk of the true faith?
There are so many, many falsehoods that this management of the SSPX has spread the past years, that , except the intervention of Divine Grace, all SSPXer's would have sour grapes!
After the massive lying to the faithful to impose the novus ordo and install their sodomite hierarchy, after the lies to the faithful to steal away the St. Peter's , Christ the King Institutes, St John's, etc., etc., faithful, are the Catholics just supposed to accept the lies of Menzingen, and allow the destruction of the SSPX, also? Perish the thought!