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« on: October 21, 2013, 07:55:12 AM »
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  • This has just come to my attention:

    Subject: AN OPEN LETTER: THE CURRENT SITUATION AT OXLEY

    Dear Fr. Fullerton,

    AN OPEN LETTER.

    I am sending you this email as a matter of importance and urgency, regarding the current serious situation here in the Oxley parish in Brisbane.

    As I am sure you know, over many months now, there have been a series of disruptions, disagreements, and upset parishioners, including recently myself, regarding the actions and behaviour of some priests here, particularly, but not solely, Fr. Taouk, and I feel it is both necessary and important to get this information to you ASAP, so that you may take the appropriate action, as it is getting very serious, and will only get worse.

    I must stress that I am not the only complainant in these regards.

    In recent times here we have had:

    1. A choir member resign from the church choir due to a disagreement;

    2. A couple recently withdraw their daughter from her first holy communion, and had her make it at another traditional Mass;

    3. Around 50 parishioners very upset regarding the goings on here, and are going to traditional Masses in other areas, and withholding their donations.

    4. Several people walking out during Fr. Taouk's Sunday "sermons," being very upset and even annoyed at what he was ranting on about, and not giving a sermon at all.

    5. Other people being refused holy communion by Fr. Taouk, for no valid or legitimate reasons.

    6. We have had adverse reports as to his behaviour from as far away as South Australia, so it is not just us.

    In addition to these events, I personally have apparently been made the target/scapegoat of Fr. Taouk's psychopathic reactions to these events, and was called out of the Church by him before Mass last Monday morning, when I was half-way through my Rosary, which I like to pray before Mass during the week. He started to rant and rave about my leaving the church during his "sermon" the day before (Sunday) and said he would refuse me Holy Communion.When I asked him on what grounds, he did not have an answer. He insisted I apologise to him. I asked him what for, as I had done nothing wrong, and he said for walking out. I pointed out that I was only one of several who went out when he started to rant about the "Resistance" and "nit-picking" et al, and that it wasn't a sermon at all. He said he would refuse me holy communion, and would not allow me back into the church until I apologised to him. Again I asked him what for, as I had done nothing wrong. I pointed out that I was half-way through my Rosary, when he waved his arm and said, "go and say your Rosary somewhere else."

    When I went to go towards the door to re-enter, and continue with my Rosary, he assaulted me and pushed me away - twice - and then when I then reached over to take hold of the door handle to open it, he physically brushed my hand away. I pointed out to him that he had assaulted me, and that I felt he had a psychological problem, and that he might consider getting himself seen to, as I had done nothing wrong. I simply want to pray my Rosary, hear Mass and receive holy communion. I have a witness who saw and heard what was going on.

    Later that day, those who were aware of his assault on me advised me that they thought it was so serious that I should report it to the Police, so after much thought, I went over the the Sherwood Police and made a report. I understand that the Police will be visiting Fr. Taouk soon, if they haven't done so already. That was Sunday afternoon.

    I waited outside on Monday morning until he went in and dressed for Mass and went up to the altar, then went back in to the Church to where I had left my Missal when he called me out, and completed my Rosary and heard Mass. Following his ranting, I did not want to upset him any more, so I did not go up the receive holy communion, as he said he would refuse me anyway. That was Monday.

    Last evening -Tuesday - I went and heard Mass at another suburb. The priest had no problem administering holy communion to me.

    This morning (Wednesday) I went to the 7.30 am Mass again, and said my Rosary in the usual manner privately before Mass. Come Holy communion, I thought he would be over his bad mood by then, and I went up and knelt at the altar rails, and Fr. Taouk had obviously instructed the altar "boy" John Massey, who I know, to by-pass me with the communion plate, and he would not give me holy communion. Twice he by-passed me with his communion. I stayed and prayed the rest of the Mass at the communion rails, then came back to my seat and prayed another Rosary.

    When I finally left the Church to come home, he was waiting for me out at the front, and approached me again, and started up his ranting again, insisting that I apologise to him. I said that there was nothing to apologise for, and he wanted a guarantee from me that I would not walk out on his "sermons" again. I said that no, I couldn't give such a guarantee, as it would not be right, that I was perfectly within my rights, and that they weren't sermons anyway, they were rantings, and that he was obviously paranoid on Sunday about the fact that here was an independent Mass being celebrated on the Sunday evening elsewhere. He had previously had two "spies" go over there, sneaking around in the dark, and take numbers and count heads and report back to him. (This is Catholic?)

    I told him:

    (a) I could not give such a guarantee, as it would be out of order,

    (b) that there were several others who walked out also;

    (c) that he should be apologising to me, for assaulting me.

    (d) that he wasn't giving a sermon anyway, it was repetitive ranting about the Resistance, and what he called "nit-picking." Nothing to do with a sermon.

    I also told him that I had reported the incident to the Police on the Sunday, which I did, to the Sherwood Police.

    He then threatened to take out a restraining order on me, prohibiting me from entering church premises. I asked him on what grounds, he couldn't tell me. I asked him if he had any idea as to how much I and many others had contributed to the society over many years to buy and renovate the church. He said "I don't care." This shows total irresponsibility. Again I suggested to him that he had a problem, and that he should go and get himself looked at. I suggested that he consider applying for a transfer, and that I understood that Outer Mongolia was nice this time of the year!

    I told him that I had to go to the toilet, and left, as it was going nowhere.

    I ask that you do something urgently Father, as it is going from bad to worse, and the number of people going to the alternate Masses is steadily growing, and it is none of my doing. Move him out of here, before the court case.

    I suggest that he might consider eating a Valium sandwich before he approaches me again.

    I pray that at least some of you will see the light, before the total collapse of the SSPX. As you know, dozens of priests have left the SSPX, and it is getting itself into serious trouble.

    Thank God for Abp. Lefebvre.

    Sincerely

    Brian McDermott

    On behalf of myself, and many other concerned Traditional Catholics.


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    « Reply #1 on: October 21, 2013, 09:30:21 AM »
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  • Fr. Taouk's paranoid bullying tactics are the same as those undertaken by the Novus Ordo clergy since the 1960's. He should instead preach truth and imbibe the scriptural wisdom:


     And now, therefore, I say to you, refrain from these men, and let them alone; for if this council or this work be of men, it will come to nought;
    But if it be of God, you cannot overthrow it, lest perhaps you be found even to fight against God.
    (Acts 5:38-39)


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    « Reply #2 on: October 21, 2013, 10:44:09 AM »
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  • Apparently, Fr. Taouk is a nut.  Priests can go off their rockers tool.  The Immaculate Conception Church here in Post Falls has a priest who, some believe, is a bit unbalanced.  He was involved somehow in incidents which brought the police out to the priory at least twice in the past.  I think, actually, there was a third such incident, but can't verify that.  On one of these occasions, I happened to be present and witnessed part of it.

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    « Reply #3 on: October 22, 2013, 02:32:04 PM »
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  • Quote from: hollingsworth
    Apparently, Fr. Taouk is a nut.  Priests can go off their rockers tool.  The Immaculate Conception Church here in Post Falls has a priest who, some believe, is a bit unbalanced.  He was involved somehow in incidents which brought the police out to the priory at least twice in the past.  I think, actually, there was a third such incident, but can't verify that.  On one of these occasions, I happened to be present and witnessed part of it.


    Are you at liberty to state the nature of these incidents at Post Falls, hollingsworth? Thanks. All this is very disturbing, indeed.  

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    « Reply #4 on: October 22, 2013, 03:24:44 PM »
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    Are you at liberty to state the nature of these incidents at Post Falls, hollingsworth? Thanks. All this is very disturbing, indeed.


    No, I am not.  But rest assured these incidents occurred.


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    « Reply #5 on: October 22, 2013, 07:52:42 PM »
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  • Quote from: hollingsworth
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    Are you at liberty to state the nature of these incidents at Post Falls, hollingsworth? Thanks. All this is very disturbing, indeed.


    No, I am not.  But rest assured these incidents occurred.


    Understood, hollingsworth. Thank you. My prayers go out to those affected.

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    « Reply #6 on: October 22, 2013, 08:40:43 PM »
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  • Yikes!

    If this information is false, this is a most grave slander.

    If this information is true, this is a most grave detraction.

    What benefit has your soul gained by posting this?




    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    « Reply #7 on: October 22, 2013, 09:09:48 PM »
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  • Do we really need to yet again post the definition of "detraction" here?  Clearly this is NOT detraction.


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    « Reply #8 on: October 22, 2013, 09:12:08 PM »
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  • Quote from: Zeitun
    Do we really need to yet again post the definition of "detraction" here?  Clearly this is NOT detraction.


    Clearly, you don't know what detraction is.

    So yes, it would be good to post the definition once again:

    (From Latin detrahere, to take away).

    "Detraction is the unjust damaging of another's good name by the revelation of some fault or crime of which that other is really guilty or at any rate is seriously believed to be guilty by the defamer."

    http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04757a.htm
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    « Reply #9 on: October 22, 2013, 09:23:31 PM »
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    Do we really need to yet again post the definition of "detraction" here?  Clearly this is NOT detraction.


    Clearly, you don't know what detraction is.

    So yes, it would be good to post the definition once again:

    (From Latin detrahere, to take away).

    "Detraction is the unjust damaging of another's good name by the revelation of some fault or crime of which that other is really guilty or at any rate is seriously believed to be guilty by the defamer."

    http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04757a.htm


    You forgot this part:
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    Finally, even when the sin is in no sense public, it may still be divulged without contravening the virtues of justice or charity whenever such a course is for the common weal or is esteemed to make for the good of the narrator, of his listeners, or even of the culprit.


    ZING!

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    « Reply #10 on: October 22, 2013, 09:26:40 PM »
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  • Quote from: Zeitun
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    Do we really need to yet again post the definition of "detraction" here?  Clearly this is NOT detraction.


    Clearly, you don't know what detraction is.

    So yes, it would be good to post the definition once again:

    (From Latin detrahere, to take away).

    "Detraction is the unjust damaging of another's good name by the revelation of some fault or crime of which that other is really guilty or at any rate is seriously believed to be guilty by the defamer."

    http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04757a.htm


    You forgot this part:
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    Finally, even when the sin is in no sense public, it may still be divulged without contravening the virtues of justice or charity whenever such a course is for the common weal or is esteemed to make for the good of the narrator, of his listeners, or even of the culprit.


    ZING!


    Nope:

    It is now for you to demonstrate how revelation of this (alleged) incident was necessary for the protection of the common good (Noting that the ramifications of the alleged incident had no further implications than those at this particular parish).
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


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    « Reply #11 on: October 22, 2013, 10:12:32 PM »
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  • "...or is esteemed to make for the good of the narrator..."

    If this is the part you are saying exonerates the OP from detraction, then you might have a point, presuming the post was made with the intent of regaining access to the sacraments (i.e., "the good of the narrator"), rather than venting anger simply to tell the world about what allegedly happened.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    « Reply #12 on: October 22, 2013, 11:16:15 PM »
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    "...or is esteemed to make for the good of the narrator..."

    If this is the part you are saying exonerates the OP from detraction, then you might have a point, presuming the post was made with the intent of regaining access to the sacraments (i.e., "the good of the narrator"), rather than venting anger simply to tell the world about what allegedly happened.


    I thought that was evident.  

    I don't like the language used in the letter (is it an "Aussie" thing?).

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    « Reply #13 on: October 23, 2013, 12:17:33 AM »
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  • Quote from: SeanJohnson
    "...or is esteemed to make for the good of the narrator..."

    If this is the part you are saying exonerates the OP from detraction, then you might have a point, presuming the post was made with the intent of regaining access to the sacraments (i.e., "the good of the narrator"), rather than venting anger simply to tell the world about what allegedly happened.


    I agree that the good guys should be hindered by a thing called "morality".

    But here is the question -- does it benefit the common good for the public to know about the extreme and scandalous behavior of a staunch foe of the Resistance? Will more people come to their senses as a result of this being made public? I, for one, could imagine it.

    When people heard what Fr. Rostand did to my wife and I last November, I wouldn't be surprised if a few people ended up joining the Resistance as a result! Well, almost :)
    Seriously, though, it might have helped them make a decision.

    Not everyone is convinced by pure logic and reading reams of paperwork. Not every layman can even understand the full significance of docuмents like the "April 15th Declaration" and such.

    I think this is one of those areas that is not clear-cut "right" or "wrong" -- it depends on the circuмstances.

    Fr. Pfeiffer is under a magnifying glass; his every mis-step is filmed and catalogued. Some might be tempted to wonder why I (for example) was so "foolish" as to throw my lot in with these "misfit" priests, who are so obviously full of flaws, rather than the SSPX. That's how they see it.

    Well, if they could know about the tactics employed by certain neo-SSPX priests, it might make them stop and think. After all, good guys don't use the tactics of the bad guys. "By their fruits you shall know them."

    How many other horrific examples of priestly misconduct have been hidden, for the sake of avoiding "detraction"? How many boys have had their innocence taken away because previous victims fell silent out of an exaggerated respect for these priests? How many have lost the Faith as a result?

    As I've said before, a priest is a public man. And when the Church is non-functional (as it is today), there is no recourse for victims but to the court of public opinion. All we have on these independent priests (including the largest organization of independent priests, the SSPX) is information. With the Internet, it is now possible to spread the word to other Catholics in a way that would make Paul Revere jealous.

    This is a David and Goliath struggle.

    I believe we can wear the yoke (as opposed to being sons of Belial, or those "without yoke") without going too far and hamstringing ourselves.

    Also, I note that Brian McDermott is willing to give his name. Fr. Taouk hasn't yet deigned to sign up for an account with his own name. Someone willing to give his full name always gets a certain respect, as well as the benefit of the doubt from me. I'm sure you can understand that, Sean Johnson! :)
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    « Reply #14 on: October 23, 2013, 12:57:41 AM »
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    Fr. Taouk's paranoid bullying tactics are the same as those undertaken by the Novus Ordo clergy since the 1960's. He should instead preach truth and imbibe the scriptural wisdom:


     And now, therefore, I say to you, refrain from these men, and let them alone; for if this council or this work be of men, it will come to nought;
    But if it be of God, you cannot overthrow it, lest perhaps you be found even to fight against God.
    (Acts 5:38-39)

    I haven't seen any be refused communion at the mass celebrated in the Novus Ordo for a long time. (more than 30 years)