Author Topic: From Argentina with Love. (Read 3563 times)

Centroamerica · « **on:** April 15, 2015, 08:42:51 AM »

http://brasildogmadafe.blogspot.com.br/2015/04/from-argentina-with-love-13-apr-2015.html

Dear readers,

Here is a link to a DICI article about the administrative recognition of the Neo-SSPX by the
government of Argentina. The Neo-SSPX explains, quite correctly, that although this is not
a religious or canonical recognition but a secular one, it nevertheless could not have
happened without the direct intervention of the Cardinal of Buenos Aires in favor of the
Neo-SSPX. DICI goes even so far as speculating that the Cardinal may have acted with the
approval of Pope Francis.

(DICI report here)

(For the Spanish original docuмents and their English translation see:
http://nonpossumus-vcr.blogspot.com.br/2015/04/resolucion-con-la-cual-la-neo-fsspx.html )

Let me add my own speculation to that of the DICI article: This help received from the
Cardinal of Buenos Aires has not been obtained from one day to the next. It has probably
been the fruit of the efforts of Rev. Father Christian Bouchacourt, who was the District
Superior of South America until August 2014. This priest is the one who has declared publicly
that the Jєωs were not deicide (meaning: they didn't crucify Our Lord). As a reward for his
loyal services in Argentina, Bishop Fellay has appointed Fr. Bouchacourt District Superior of
France, a post he occupies since September 2014.

This DICI article shows us that, far from being offended at receiving the “loving” help of a
Modernist Cardinal, Menzingen cannot keep itself from "salivating" at the prospect of more
such future "quasi-recognitions". DICI also wants to give us a concrete example of how much
an official recognition by Rome could help the Neo-SSPX in its apostolate around the world.
Thus Menzingen remains consistent with the direction traced in 2012: In our relations with
Rome, let us separate the practical aspect (what is concrete) from the doctrinal aspect
(what is abstract). Let us get a canonical solution first and, once back “home” in Rome, we
will work on solving those doctrinal questions “that are still problematic”.

Thus, we can see that Menzingen is still very actively working, and this on multiple levels,
towards a "canonical solution" with Rome. The Neo-SSPX never tires in preparing the minds
of its priests and faithful to accept such a recognition.

She doesn’t need to fear, after more and more such examples of “collaboration”, it will come!
The Neo-SSPX will then go from the stage of more or less hidden “kisses” to that of a
glittering marriage ceremony! Unfortunately, it would then be, in fact, an adulterous “marriage”
between Truth and Error, which may scare some delicate souls and bring some losses to the
Society!

But Menzingen need not fear: This kind of problem will cease to be an issue next fall, since
the upcoming Synod on the Family will surely allow divorced “re-married” couples to receive
the sacraments!

Fr. Patrick Girouard

http://brasildogmadafe.blogspot.com.br/2015/04/from-argentina-with-love-13-apr-2015.html

Matthew · « **Reply #1 on:** April 15, 2015, 10:25:23 AM »

Quote from: Centroamerica

Thus, we can see that Menzingen is still very actively working, and this on multiple levels,
towards a "canonical solution" with Rome. The Neo-SSPX never tires in preparing the minds
of its priests and faithful to accept such a recognition.

This is precisely what they are doing; even Stevie Wonder could see what they are doing now.

Every policy they can change to make reconciliation more possible, they do.

You have to recall human nature -- some things a person has full control over (stop smoking, weight loss, learning a trade) and other things he doesn't (converting a spouse, getting people to come to a Resistance chapel, etc.)

In the latter category, all a dedicated, fervent person can do is consistently do little things that are CONSONANT WITH, or FAVORABLE TO, the ultimate goal, even if the ultimate goal itself can't be brought about by our own efforts -- even if that last step, the reaching of the goal, requires a bit of patience.

While waiting for a goal that depends on the Free Will of other human being(s), you do things that "can only help, certainly won't hurt" to make that goal more reachable -- even if 1000 or 100,000 of these little things won't add up to reaching the goal itself.

PerEvangelicaDicta · « **Reply #2 on:** April 15, 2015, 12:49:27 PM »

Perhaps not in this thread, but can we discuss why Almighty God is permitting this? Not who is to blame, but more why He is allowing this orchestration?

GottmitunsAlex · « **Reply #3 on:** April 15, 2015, 12:57:06 PM »

To separate the wheat from the chaff.

PerEvangelicaDicta · « **Reply #4 on:** April 15, 2015, 01:25:42 PM »

Quote from: GottmitunsAlex

To separate the wheat from the chaff.

Succinct!

Devils advocate: what about those Catholics who live holy lives inside the SSPX or other traditional arenas, who believe they are wheat? Is God pulling a 'gotcha' on them?

PG · « **Reply #5 on:** April 15, 2015, 01:52:06 PM »

gottmitunsalex - God prunes his branches, he does not cast them out(which is what is happening to his so called branches). Trads are building houses on sand.

PG · « **Reply #6 on:** April 15, 2015, 02:02:33 PM »

Perevangela - the reason has to be that God is not pleased. I love the gospel and catholicism, but I don't feel the same about many traditions(some of them go back hundreds of years). We have been on a certain downslide ever since the reformation. Disciplinary cockle is an elephant in our room. But, unfortunately, discussing these matters is taboo.

PerEvangelicaDicta · « **Reply #7 on:** April 15, 2015, 02:43:55 PM »

Quote from: + PG +

Perevangela - the reason has to be that God is not pleased. I love the gospel and catholicism, but I don't feel the same about many traditions(some of them go back hundreds of years). We have been on a certain downslide ever since the reformation. Disciplinary cockle is an elephant in our room. But, unfortunately, discussing these matters is taboo.

I have come to similar conclusions, most especially the bolded, over the past year or so +PG+

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Saint Paul's guidance on how to avoid the circuмstances above...

2 Thessalonians 2:14 said:
Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle.

BD, it's fair to say that most traditional Catholics believe this - lay and clergy - and each believes they are living a holy life within traditional confines, as St. Paul guides. Some are R&R, some still SSPX, some <fill in the blank>.

There is so much fracturing within the traditional community - we look like prots, each faction convinced they have the truth, interpreting Church law in different ways. And each side's arguments very convincing to the average Catholic Joe in the trad pew who has no degree in theology and wants to live a holy traditional life, so he picks one faction or the other. Will Christ zap the unlucky trads who picked, say, the SSPX, with an eternity in Hell because the overwhelming confusion of the crisis contributed to their ignorance of which trad side has the truth and they believed they were following tradition? Ignorance is never an excuse, but how does average trad Joe know which trad side has the truth, when each lay claim to it?
You will say your interpretation has it and condemn the other. Another faction will say theirs has it and counter condemns.

In the end, there is only one truth, with Four Marks.

Just fyi, I'm really devils advocating here.

As +PG+ noted, at the very least, He is not pleased.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #8 on:** April 15, 2015, 02:57:20 PM »

Quote from: PerEvangelicaDicta

Quote from: + PG +
Perevangela - the reason has to be that God is not pleased. I love the gospel and catholicism, but I don't feel the same about many traditions(some of them go back hundreds of years). We have been on a certain downslide ever since the reformation. Disciplinary cockle is an elephant in our room. But, unfortunately, discussing these matters is taboo.

I have come to similar conclusions, most especially the bolded, over the past year or so +PG+

We should encourage eachother to talk through things. Given the vacuum of Church authority I question EVERYTHING that I think and every conclusion that I arrive at, and I pray every step of the way for God to lead me closer to where He wants to be.

reconquest · « **Reply #9 on:** April 15, 2015, 03:23:35 PM »

Quote from: PerEvangelicaDicta

Perhaps not in this thread, but can we discuss why Almighty God is permitting this? Not who is to blame, but more why He is allowing this orchestration?

The servant is not above the master. If God allowed the official Roman church to fall into the hands of modernists and cease being the Catholic Church, it is unthinkable that the Society of St. Pius X should not suffer a similar or even worse fate.

But as the Warnings from Beyond exorcisms said loud and clear on more than one occasion, Archbishop Lefebvre will triumph.

Centroamerica · « **Reply #10 on:** April 15, 2015, 08:21:04 PM »

Quote from: Patricius

Just to let everybody know that Fr. Girouard's article "From Argentina with Love" was first published on his own website (sacrificium.org).

Here is a link to it, if you are interested to discover his website:

http://www.sacrificium.org/article/argentina-love-14-apr-2015

God bless!

The source was cited in the link. I didn't know that that was his website. I'll have to take another look at it.

GGMoreno · « **Reply #11 on:** April 16, 2015, 12:48:20 AM »

Quote from: Matthew

This is precisely what they are doing; even Stevie Wonder could see what they are doing now.

Thurifer7 · « **Reply #12 on:** April 16, 2015, 07:25:06 PM »

Quote from: reconquest

Quote from: PerEvangelicaDicta
Perhaps not in this thread, but can we discuss why Almighty God is permitting this? Not who is to blame, but more why He is allowing this orchestration?

The servant is not above the master. If God allowed the official Roman church to fall into the hands of modernists and cease being the Catholic Church, it is unthinkable that the Society of St. Pius X should not suffer a similar or even worse fate.

But as the Warnings from Beyond exorcisms said loud and clear on more than one occasion, Archbishop Lefebvre will triumph.

I want know more about this.