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Traditional Catholic Faith => SSPX Resistance News => Topic started by: Centroamerica on November 07, 2015, 06:03:40 PM
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Apparently, nobody saw this so I will post it here...
The following photos were taken from the site Syllabus. They are also available on the official site of the SSPX/Spain (here). The artwork is terribly and strikingly modernistic and seemingly masonic. The church itself appears to be something more like a nightclub, though we should wait until it is finished, the façade indicates this as well. When put in juxtaposition with the atrocious art of the Vatican 2 sect, there is little or no difference. The SSPX has picked up the new trend of creating images of the Virgin, (if indeed we can call it that) out of junk and scrap metal. Bishop De Galarreta appears smiling in the pictures.
The Neo-SSPX needed a tasteless scrap metal rendering of the Virgin in order to reflect their new position.
http://brasildogmadafe.blogspot.com.br/2015/11/the-disgusting-new-church-being-built.html
You can see more photos at this site with links... the egg story is intersting...it comes from a gnostic sect that has a different story of the begining of the world which deals with Fanes, the light that came forth from the egg that the Night created. Scary stuff...
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This link explains the egg if you can read Spanish or the translator works well...
http://diccionariodesimbolos.com/fanes.htm
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I saw this before. It is shocking. It may be a small site but they certainly could have/should have done better.
How does a "translator" work?
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What the hell is this? :really-mad2:
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I'm from the stomping grounds of Roger Cardfile Balony.
What the hell is this? :really-mad2:
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Oh, I know what the hell this is......
What the hell is this? :really-mad2:
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I am steadily and slowly losing faith in the SSPX.
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In this image,
(http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&s=attach&id=6267)
we are given a living exhibit, an interactive display intended to evoke from us an expectation to think of how we would like to step through the circular portal into the imaginary land of reconciliation. The faux rood screen is punctuated with SSPX logos which are laser-cut into the thick metal, so they cannot be obscured (easily) with graffiti or other vandalism. This is to say that the way toward regularization is forged already and it's just now a matter of stepping through the portal into the wonderland beyond, for all who dare to venture into the "bright new wonderful tomorrow, shining at the end of every day..."
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I am steadily and slowly losing faith in the SSPX.
Count yourself fortunate to have come to this realization before it's too late.
I pity the tens of thousands of loyal supporters who will no doubt be sucked into the undercurrent of this sinking vessel because they're too reluctant to put a safe distance between themselves and the foundering mother ship.
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Let me know if I'm out of touch or whatever, but I don't think I am.
It's hard for me to imagine how the Traditional Latin Mass will be at home in such a setting as this:
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-HCEceYdISmc/Vj1P4rAYldI/AAAAAAAAAlU/ZKICRnfAJKs/s400/spain%2B10.jpg)
http://brasildogmadafe.blogspot.com.br/2015/11/the-disgusting-new-church-being-built.html
Okay, so it's not finished yet so how can I be so sure, etc.?
I have enough experience in construction to know a Modernist interior under development when I see one. This one shot is sufficient for me. They're squarely headed for a Masonic Meeting Hall environment here.
They might start out with a TLM but this place is headed for something much different, perhaps some kind of NovusOrdo hybrid something-or-other.
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NO Neil, It's INCULTURATION. They are trying to TRAP the modernists!
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Please tell me if this picture...
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-meR91kUldBI/Vj1PxVkrVXI/AAAAAAAAAks/-ITQfEkGwHM/s400/spain3.jpg)
...doesn't remind you of this picture:
(https://s17-us2.ixquick.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=http:%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2Fthumb%2F0%2F0c%2FEntrance_to_Cathedral_of_Our_Lady_of_Angels%252C_Los_Angeles.JPG%2F679px-Entrance_to_Cathedral_of_Our_Lady_of_Angels%252C_Los_Angeles.JPG&sp=2d627bd681585c1adf7938b6aed1f52c)
Spanish architect Rafael Moneo designed Our Lady of the Angels Cathedral.
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NO Neil, It's INCULTURATION. They are trying to TRAP the modernists!
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Good one! I hadn't thought of that angle. Thank you!!
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That sculpture is hideous.
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I saw this before. It is shocking. It may be a small site but they certainly could have/should have done better.
How does a "translator" work?
I don't know which site you are referring to but the Brazil one is mine. What do you mean it should have done better? Obviously the subject is the pictures and not my comments. The reader can make his own judgement. Your criticism is very vague and stands alone on this thread, so how about being more specific or offering some sort of advice other than "they should do better"...
Most people know what an automatic page translator is, so this comment also seems sarcastic and unwarranted.
I have no need to post or get views. The site serves me better as posting prayers and other non-controversial things to aide in our spiritual life. These petty attitudes are the exact opposite...so I think I'll focus on what benefits my spiritual life more...not food for thought for smart alecs.
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Another step in the wrong direction for the SSPX.
When I see those pictures, all I can think of is this.....
(http://www.genomicon.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/pope.jpg)
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Looks like a nightmare version of Our Lady of Guadalupe, but I'm not sure if the egg represents the little angel under her feet or Satan. Nice VII ambiguity! To add to the confusion, the overall architecture looks more like a middle eastern restaurant. The refugees will love it! It'll take no time at all to convert it into a mosque.
Universal Crisis in the Church is universal. Choose your floating debris carefully...
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(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-meR91kUldBI/Vj1PxVkrVXI/AAAAAAAAAks/-ITQfEkGwHM/s400/spain3.jpg)
Catholic or no Catholic, Traditional or no Traditional- this is creepy.
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Catholic art exists to lift up our minds to things of the Lord, to get us closer to a state of mind that is holy. That's why paintings have been so effective over the centuries: they, after actual photographs, are the best at transporting one's mind to imagine holy scenes in history or to ponder and mediate on things which are truly of God. Its why we built the great Cathedrals, why we sponsored and lifted the arts in the middle ages. This image does none of that.
An important thing to consider is that if one were not Catholic, what would they make of it? The answer is the same as to why one could imagine it be so disturbing to Children. What would my own kids, who are familiar with our lady, make of it? Their minds are still forming, and connections are not yet so strong. As time goes on, as people grow away from the faith, the shock of such a work is less evident because their connection to the Faith is immature, like that of children. They may imagine it to be our lady, but what she is standing on, what she holds in her hand and why she's holding it, what that line on the bottom, et al, becomes less clear, and just like other modern art, one is free to impose their own fantasy upon it. Without a Catholic formation their fantasy is less and Catholic. And here we arrive at the crux of the problem.
This is what is wrong with the modern religion and why this art is so appropriate for it. One is free to impose their own fantasy on the modern religion. "I believe that this or that is right, and that's all there is to it. You can't tell me I'm wrong, because I know what I'm looking at." They may be right in their convictions they may be wrong. The Catholic may believe this work to be and image of Our Lady's power over the Evil One, and they may be right. A non-Catholic wholly unfamiliar with the faith is more likely to see this as the Grim Reaper; or someone spear fishing, or a Sheppard navigating some rocks. Someone can be right, and someone can be wrong. With classic art- there's really little room for interpretation, unless one is egregious. All of the same parallels can be made with the modern religion.
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It did remind me of the statue in LA. BTW, did anyone else notice what looks like chest muscles on the Spanish version?
Androgynous? Blasphemous!
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I saw this before. It is shocking. It may be a small site but they certainly could have/should have done better.
How does a "translator" work?
I don't know which site you are referring to but the Brazil one is mine. What do you mean it should have done better? Obviously the subject is the pictures and not my comments. The reader can make his own judgement. Your criticism is very vague and stands alone on this thread, so how about being more specific or offering some sort of advice other than "they should do better"...
Most people know what an automatic page translator is, so this comment also seems sarcastic and unwarranted.
I have no need to post or get views. The site serves me better as posting prayers and other non-controversial things to aide in our spiritual life. These petty attitudes are the exact opposite...so I think I'll focus on what benefits my spiritual life more...not food for thought for smart alecs.
I think she means the construction site.
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I saw this before. It is shocking. It may be a small site but they certainly could have/should have done better.
How does a "translator" work?
I don't know which site you are referring to but the Brazil one is mine. What do you mean it should have done better? Obviously the subject is the pictures and not my comments. The reader can make his own judgement. Your criticism is very vague and stands alone on this thread, so how about being more specific or offering some sort of advice other than "they should do better"...
Most people know what an automatic page translator is, so this comment also seems sarcastic and unwarranted.
I have no need to post or get views. The site serves me better as posting prayers and other non-controversial things to aide in our spiritual life. These petty attitudes are the exact opposite...so I think I'll focus on what benefits my spiritual life more...not food for thought for smart alecs.
I think she means the construction site.
Thanks for clearing that up. Because of the reference about how to use a translator, I thought the entire comment was directed at me. The last question certainly was.
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Looks like a nightmare version of Our Lady of Guadalupe, but I'm not sure if the egg represents the little angel under her feet or Satan. Nice VII ambiguity! To add to the confusion, the overall architecture looks more like a middle eastern restaurant.
The refugees will love it! It'll take no time at all to convert it into a mosque.
Universal Crisis in the Church is universal. Choose your floating debris carefully...
.....................sad........but true....................
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So this is the new chapel in Madrid that SSPX was spending millions of euros on to build. It is their only one in Spain.
Interesting quote from 1531 in 2012:
Yes, this is rather like Spain at present. There is a chapel in Madrid, just one belonging to the SSPX, but now, WITH FALLING NUMBERS of faithful, they want to spend 7million euros on building a new chapel. Why? There is just one priory in Spain, at least 20 miles outside Madrid. Spain is the only country I know of that has never tried to set up any other priories around Spain. They even closed down the one in Portugal some years back. They can't say they don't have enough priests... they have 6 at the priory. They take it in turns to motor around the country to say masses in various towns, then go back to the priory and that's it! One of the priests goes to Portugal once a month.
Wy not use the money to either set up a couple of new chapels in Spain, or an extra priory? Other tradional groups are growing in Spain, from what I have heard, but not our SSPX. Sad...
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Who commissioned that monstrosity? Who inspected it and signed the check? They should be made known. That junkyard should be melted down and not allowed to assault the eyes of passersby and insult Our Lady.
I read recently about a statue of comedienne Lucille Ball that was meant to honor her, but was so ugly that her fans complained and demanded it be removed. Yet this eyesore that supposedly depicts the Blessed Virgin will be allowed to stand. Go figure.
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Seriously, I think that you guys need to get down off your high horses and stop this ridiculous nit-picking! It like the other thread about the Latin Mass Society producing a missalette and without any connection whatsoever, using this to bash the Society... If anything, it shows YOU up in a worse light than those you are attacking....
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Seriously, I think that you guys need to get down off your high horses and stop this ridiculous nit-picking! It like the other thread about the Latin Mass Society producing a missalette and without any connection whatsoever, using this to bash the Society... If anything, it shows YOU up in a worse light than those you are attacking....
You are serious? We are horrible people for criticizing this horrific art that supposedly represents the Mother of God? Did you see the junk metal sculpture? Is the Society immune from any criticism in anything they do? Your comment surprises me because you can show these pictures to anyone, and they all agree this is terrible regardless of their position. This is far from nit-pickIng. A child can see what is wrong here. Are you blind?
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Another step in the wrong direction for the SSPX.
When I see those pictures, all I can think of is this.....
(http://www.genomicon.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/pope.jpg)
Yes, this is exactly what came to my mind as well.
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Seriously, I think that you guys need to get down off your high horses and stop this ridiculous nit-picking! It like the other thread about the Latin Mass Society producing a missalette and without any connection whatsoever, using this to bash the Society... If anything, it shows YOU up in a worse light than those you are attacking....
I don't think it's nit-picking to ask that the Mother of Our Savior be given something that inspires a bit more honor than that butt-ugly hunk-o-junk instills in any who see it. Reminds me of that cringe-inducing Fazzini sculpture in the Pope's Audience Hall. I believe that the choice of art means something, makes a chosen statement to whom you intend to view it. You can tell a lot about a person by what they find beautiful, (and what they think of being worthy of offering as a gift to anybody, much less Our Lady)-- and this choice means nothing good. That more than one member of the Society must have looked it over and approved it before it was installed is not a good sign.
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It doesn't look complete in those images. Perhaps it will gain dignity and a Catholic appearance when it is finished. For example the pediment at the front and the interior, might make a difference, but the BVM statue looks horrible.
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It is more reminiscent of the specter of Death punting upon the River Styx than any image of the Blessed Mother.
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It looks like the new SSPX monstrosity chapel in Madrid, Spain is finished being built. I saw a piece about on the Non Possumus blog, but I found a link (SSPX) with a few more photos of it. Scary.
http://tradicioncatolica.es/donativos-bienhechores/obras-de-la-futura-capilla-santiago-apostol-semana-tras-semanas/
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Photos of the chapel from the Non Possumus website:
http://nonpossumus-vcr.blogspot.com/2016/07/la-neo-fsspx-invita-la-bendicion-de-la.html
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I actually visited the chapel a couple of months ago and it was not a pretty sight. It sure does look like any regular new-age church, pretty horrifying. Below is a picture of the inside. I am guessing that that lady without a veil in that semi-transparent alter background is supposed to be the Virgin Mary.
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The late author Malachi Martin coined ‘AmChurch’ as a contraction of ‘American Catholic Church’, because dissenters in the US dating back to the ’70s often identified themselves as ‘American Catholics’, opposing themselves to the Catholic magisterium, denoting those who follow the latter as ‘Roman Catholics’. (And conservative Roman Catholics in America have adopted the RC moniker gladly in this context.) AmChurch doesn’t mean ‘all Roman Catholics in America’.
A sampling of issues AmChurch dissents from orthodoxy on:
It is for artificial contraception and in extreme cases even is ‘pro-choice’ on abortion. There exists a splinter group called ‘Catholics for a Free Choice’, funded in part by Hugh Hefner of Playboy (that great promoter of chastity and respect for women), who are good for a media sound bite to stab the Church.
It is pro-women’s ordination. But because it doesn’t believe in the Sacrifice or Real Presence in the Eucharist like the Church does, it sees this issue instead as a front in Marxist-style power/class struggle between the sexes. Ecclesiastical liberals are the biggest clerical power-trippers who ever lived, and the feminists want to get themselves some. The orthodox, on the other hand, are not clericalist, but sacerdotalist.
Regarding the ‘gαy lifestyle’ it throws the Bible and natural law/common sense out the window.
It rehashes 19th-century Protestant and early 20th-century Modernist skepticism about the dogmas of the faith (Jesus wasn’t really God, He didn’t rise from the dead, He didn’t found a Church, etc.).
It also copies Protestantism’s tired ‘social gospel’, deliberately confusing liberality/charity with liberalism/socialism and proclaiming the No. 1 mission of the Church is to ‘promote justice and peace’ (never mind all that spiritual mumbo-jumbo). The now passé flirtation with Communism called ‘liberation theology’ was part of this. Saying ‘¡Viva la revolución en (El Salvador, Nicaragua, Guatemala... there was a succession of trendy countries)! made its proponents seem (com)passionate and charitable, and didn’t hit suburban North Americans where they live like ‘You can’t kill the unborn natural results of having sex’ does.
It either disdains Marian devotion (early-’70s priests ripped rosaries apart from the pulpit) or it perverts it into New Age goddess worship or Jungian-type symbolism. (The ‘type’ of the virgin mother goddess.)
Liturgically it usually is militantly anti-high church. It hates Godward traditional communal worship and turns services into this-worldly pep rallies for ‘community’. Hence the fanatical insistence that Mass MUST be ‘facing the people’. It favors liturgical innovation that goes against both 1) all the traditional rites, East and West, of the Church catholic and apostolic and 2) the rubrics and regulations issued by Rome regarding the Roman Rite. The unnecessary proliferation of lay Eucharistic ministers is a common example. Others include laity standing round the altar like concelebrants, lay ‘ministers’ holding up the Host or chalice with the priest at the elevations at Mass (such as at ‘This is the Lamb of God’) and laity walking up to the altar and communing themselves. (I personally have seen at least two of these.) More extreme, rarer examples would include (popular in the early ’70s) substituting secular writings for the biblical readings and using items other than bread and wine at the service.
It often is iconoclastic too, disdaining statues and other art in church.
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Only sodomists would build a "church" like this.
Who gave permission for this to be built ?
"Additionally, capital Madrid and Barcelona are often rated in lists of the best travel destinations for LGBT people."
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Is this based on Sr Lucy's theophany of 13th June 1929, when Our Lady appeared below the Trinity, holding Her Immaculate Heart, and requested the Consecration of Russia? Pictures here (scroll down):
http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=29904&min=6
But an androgynous, limp-wristed Christ-figure, and 'Our Lady' unveiled, looking like a Barbie doll in low-cut diaphanous drapery. Horrible. Picture of interior on other thread:
http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Hideous-New-SSPX-Church-in-Madrid
The whole church seems satanic, looking as if surrounded by razor wire from a distance, the circle (used in NWO symbolism as change of consciousness, tunnel to the underworld?) and the logo in a repeat pattern on the façade, like a brand's advertising on a carrier bag. And the egg and the faceless statue. I wouldn't set foot in this building.
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In America, usually when the building and artwork are ugly and modern is because the pastor is a sodomist.
Sodomy parishes are becoming the norm. And we won't be able to say anything
Because speaking out against sodomists in the Catholic Church will be a crime.
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That cannot technically be called a crucifix since it is missing the INRI...this chapel keeps getting more and more creepy.
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It is more reminiscent of the specter of Death punting upon the River Styx than any image of the Blessed Mother.
The above is referring to the statue of the BVM on the outside of the building. The statue reminds me of something out of a horror movie. It might frighten small children.