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« Reply #15 on: November 08, 2015, 05:22:17 AM »
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  • Looks like a nightmare version of Our Lady of Guadalupe, but I'm not sure if the egg represents the little angel under her feet or Satan. Nice VII ambiguity! To add to the confusion, the overall architecture looks more like a middle eastern restaurant. The refugees will love it! It'll take no time at all to convert it into a mosque.

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    « Reply #16 on: November 08, 2015, 07:09:58 AM »
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  • Quote from: Neil Obstat


    Catholic or no Catholic, Traditional or no Traditional- this is creepy.


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    « Reply #17 on: November 08, 2015, 07:35:11 AM »
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  • Catholic art exists to lift up our minds to things of the Lord, to get us closer to a state of mind that is holy. That's why paintings have been so effective over the centuries: they, after actual photographs, are the best at transporting one's mind to imagine holy scenes in history or to ponder and mediate on things which are truly of God. Its why we built the great Cathedrals, why we sponsored and lifted the arts in the middle ages. This image does none of that.

    An important thing to consider is that if one were not Catholic, what would they make of it? The answer is the same as to why one could imagine it be so disturbing to Children. What would my own kids, who are familiar with our lady, make of it? Their minds are still forming, and connections are not yet so strong. As time goes on, as people grow away from the faith, the shock of such a work is less evident because their connection to the Faith is immature, like that of children. They may imagine it to be our lady, but what she is standing on, what she holds in her hand and why she's holding it, what that line on the bottom, et al, becomes less clear, and just like other modern art, one is free to impose their own fantasy upon it. Without a Catholic formation their fantasy is less and Catholic. And here we arrive at the crux of the problem.

    This is what is wrong with the modern religion and why this art is so appropriate for it. One is free to impose their own fantasy on the modern religion. "I believe that this or that is right, and that's all there is to it. You can't tell me I'm wrong, because I know what I'm looking at." They may be right in their convictions they may be wrong. The Catholic may believe this work to be and image of Our Lady's power over the Evil One, and they may be right. A non-Catholic wholly unfamiliar with the faith is more likely to see this as the Grim Reaper; or someone spear fishing, or a Sheppard navigating some rocks.  Someone can be right, and someone can be wrong. With classic art- there's really little room for interpretation, unless one is egregious. All of the same parallels can be made with the modern religion.

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    « Reply #18 on: November 08, 2015, 07:38:32 AM »
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  • It did remind me of the statue in LA.  BTW, did anyone else notice what looks like chest muscles on the Spanish version?

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    « Reply #19 on: November 08, 2015, 07:44:17 AM »
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  • Quote from: Centroamerica
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    I saw this before.  It is shocking.  It may be a small site but they certainly could have/should have done better.

    How does a "translator" work?



    I don't know which site you are referring to but the Brazil one is mine.  What do you mean it should have done better?  Obviously the subject is the pictures and not my comments.  The reader can make his own judgement.  Your criticism is very vague and stands alone on this thread, so how about being more specific or offering some sort of advice other than "they should do better"...

    Most people know what an automatic page translator is, so this comment also seems sarcastic and unwarranted.


    I have no need to post or get views.  The site serves me better as posting prayers and other non-controversial things to aide in our spiritual life.  These petty attitudes are the exact opposite...so I think I'll focus on what benefits my spiritual life more...not food for thought for smart alecs.


    I think she means the construction site.


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    « Reply #20 on: November 08, 2015, 08:27:54 AM »
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  • Quote from: Graham
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    I saw this before.  It is shocking.  It may be a small site but they certainly could have/should have done better.

    How does a "translator" work?



    I don't know which site you are referring to but the Brazil one is mine.  What do you mean it should have done better?  Obviously the subject is the pictures and not my comments.  The reader can make his own judgement.  Your criticism is very vague and stands alone on this thread, so how about being more specific or offering some sort of advice other than "they should do better"...

    Most people know what an automatic page translator is, so this comment also seems sarcastic and unwarranted.


    I have no need to post or get views.  The site serves me better as posting prayers and other non-controversial things to aide in our spiritual life.  These petty attitudes are the exact opposite...so I think I'll focus on what benefits my spiritual life more...not food for thought for smart alecs.


    I think she means the construction site.



    Thanks for clearing that up.  Because of the reference about how to use a translator, I thought the entire comment was directed at me.  The last question certainly was.
    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...

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    « Reply #21 on: November 08, 2015, 09:37:27 AM »
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  • Quote from: Croixalist

    Looks like a nightmare version of Our Lady of Guadalupe, but I'm not sure if the egg represents the little angel under her feet or Satan. Nice VII ambiguity! To add to the confusion, the overall architecture looks more like a middle eastern restaurant.

    The refugees will love it!   It'll take no time at all to convert it into a mosque.

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    « Reply #22 on: November 08, 2015, 11:51:57 PM »
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  • So this is the new chapel in Madrid that SSPX was spending millions of euros on to build. It is their only one in Spain.

    Interesting quote from 1531 in 2012:

    Quote from: 1531
    Yes, this is rather like Spain at present. There is a chapel in Madrid, just one belonging to the SSPX, but now, WITH FALLING NUMBERS of faithful, they want to spend 7million euros on building a new chapel. Why? There is just one priory in Spain, at least 20 miles outside Madrid. Spain is the only country I know of that has never tried to set up any other priories around Spain. They even closed down the one in Portugal some years back. They can't say they don't have enough priests... they have 6 at the priory. They take it in turns to motor around the country to say masses in various towns, then go back to the priory and that's it! One of the priests goes to Portugal once a month.

    Wy not use the money to either set up a couple of new chapels in Spain, or an extra priory? Other tradional groups are growing in Spain, from what I have heard, but not our SSPX. Sad...

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    « Reply #23 on: November 10, 2015, 12:05:00 AM »
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  • Who commissioned that monstrosity? Who inspected it and signed the check? They should be made known.  That junkyard should be melted down and not allowed to assault the eyes of passersby and insult Our Lady.

    I read recently about a statue of comedienne Lucille Ball that was meant to honor her, but was so ugly that her fans complained and demanded it be removed. Yet this eyesore that supposedly depicts the Blessed Virgin will be allowed to stand. Go figure.

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    « Reply #24 on: November 10, 2015, 02:23:06 AM »
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  • Seriously, I think that you guys need to get down off your high horses and stop this ridiculous nit-picking! It like the other thread about the Latin Mass Society producing a missalette and without any connection whatsoever, using this to bash the Society... If anything, it shows YOU up in a worse light than those you are attacking....

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    « Reply #25 on: November 10, 2015, 03:42:33 AM »
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  • Quote from: IN VERITATE VICTORIA
    Seriously, I think that you guys need to get down off your high horses and stop this ridiculous nit-picking! It like the other thread about the Latin Mass Society producing a missalette and without any connection whatsoever, using this to bash the Society... If anything, it shows YOU up in a worse light than those you are attacking....


    You are serious?  We are horrible people for criticizing this horrific art that supposedly represents the Mother of God?  Did you see the junk metal sculpture?  Is the Society immune from any criticism in anything they do?  Your comment surprises me because you can show these pictures to anyone, and they all agree this is terrible regardless of their position. This is far from nit-pickIng. A child can see what is wrong here. Are you blind?
    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...


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    « Reply #26 on: November 10, 2015, 04:36:43 AM »
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    Another step in the wrong direction for the SSPX.

    When I see those pictures, all I can think of is this.....



    Yes, this is exactly what came to my mind as well.

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    « Reply #27 on: November 10, 2015, 11:53:59 AM »
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  • Quote from: IN VERITATE VICTORIA
    Seriously, I think that you guys need to get down off your high horses and stop this ridiculous nit-picking! It like the other thread about the Latin Mass Society producing a missalette and without any connection whatsoever, using this to bash the Society... If anything, it shows YOU up in a worse light than those you are attacking....


    I don't think it's nit-picking to ask that the Mother of Our Savior be given something that inspires a bit more honor than that butt-ugly hunk-o-junk instills in any who see it. Reminds me of that cringe-inducing Fazzini  sculpture in the Pope's Audience Hall. I believe that the choice of art means something, makes a chosen statement to whom you intend to view it. You can tell a lot about a person by what they find beautiful, (and what they think of being worthy of offering as a gift to anybody, much less Our Lady)-- and this choice means nothing good. That more than one member of the Society must have looked it over and approved it before it was installed is not a good sign.

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    « Reply #28 on: November 10, 2015, 11:57:11 AM »
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  • It doesn't look complete in those images. Perhaps it will gain dignity and a Catholic appearance when it is finished. For example the pediment at the front and the interior, might make a difference, but the BVM statue looks horrible.

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    « Reply #29 on: November 10, 2015, 12:03:06 PM »
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  • It is more reminiscent of the specter of Death punting upon the River Styx than any image of the Blessed Mother.