Author Topic: Friendly Reminder about Boston KY issues (Read 9100 times)

Matthew · « **on:** September 28, 2015, 11:37:09 PM »

Several members here seem to think that as long as they don't go into details, they're not guilty of detraction, betraying confidences, etc.

You realize how ridiculous that is, right?

There are two possible paths people can take, with regards to any incident

A) people don't need to know about it; I'll stay silent about it
B) people need to know about it; I'll post this information

But then you have some people with a "have your cake and eat it too" technique, where they hint at things, but never go into any details, citing "confidentiality", "I don't need to" or "don't want to commit detraction".

You realize, of course, that by saying things like, "There are violations of the moral law there" it merely gets peoples imaginations fired up. Giving HINTS about impropriety is exactly the same, morally speaking, as giving specifics about impropriety. Like Ladislaus pointed out, there have been incidents where the accuser in question was actually quite scrupulous/wrong/petty and it was just some little thing -- but imagine what people thought when they heard "violations of the moral law"!

If you're going to blow the whistle, come out from under your mom's apron and blow the blasted whistle already! Or if you think all sides would be better served with silence, then be ALL THE WAY SILENT. There are various expressions that apply: "____ or get off the pot", etc.

These people are like 5 year old kids who have a secret, and it's practically bursting them as long as they keep it. So instead of outright telling the secret, they just tell everyone they meet how "they have a secret, but I can't tell you." hoping others will pry it out of them, and then the agony will finally be over.

So let's see if I understand their strange morality -- I can't tell another's sins (=detraction), but saying, "Well, he's not as much of a choir boy as everyone thinks, but that's all I'm going to say about that." is fair game? Get real!

I'm not saying that everything posted about Boston, KY is detraction. Actually, I would say the opposite. It's clearly in the realm of the "common good". There IS no "local" for Fr. Pfeiffer. He of all people does everything on the Internet at large. So right off the bat, any discussion about Fr. Pfeiffer or his group would HAVE to be on the Internet. Even more so than, say, discussion about a traditional Catholic church in Cincinnati, OH. What % of St. Gertrude the Great's parishioners, money, etc. comes from those living in OH? Now ask yourself, how many of Fr. Pfeiffer's parishioners, financial support, etc. comes from those living in Boston, KY? About 1/4 of 1%? That would be about right. His local parish IS the Internet. I think that should be clear to most people.

And it's important for people thinking of moving there, sending their young men there for vocations, etc. know the truth about the operation, whatever that is.

MariaAngelaGrow · « **Reply #1 on:** September 29, 2015, 12:43:51 AM »

I have a great weight of guilt for having directed many people to the seminary in Boston as well as retreats, etc.

Such improper things include:

Giving the seminarians meat on Fridays.

Making the seminarians do unnecessary manual labor on Sunday

Showing the seminarians pornography, as attested by a seminarian who left and is going to join Avrille.

Interrupting the prayer time of people who were there to do things which could have been done at other times.

Neglect of Divine Office when it was time to pray it. An obligation for priests, but Fr Pfeiffer blew it off when he was busy with mundane matters. Two people I trust have attested to the neglect of prayer life at the seminary for "doing". This has never been reported of Fr Hewko. Only Fr Pfeiffer sometimes and Pablo often interrupting prayer time with a trivial task.

Leaving the seminarians alone, mostly with Pablo only for direction when the priests were off saying Masses various places. I am not saying, in this crisis, that leaving them with a holy, responsible lay person would be wrong, but if Pablo is not practicing the Faith, it does not seem he should be the main person to direct seminarians in the absence of the priests. This happened less when Fr Voigt was there, but now that he is gone, Pablo directs everything while the priests are gone.

Women and children having free run in the seminary when the priests were gone.

Having Mass only two or three times a week when the fathers are all gone on trips. This is not a violation of moral law, but not the best way to conduct a seminary to form holy priests.

I have said what I have said because of a desire to keep people from being entangled in this situation. We were on the verge of moving to Boston, and had not people been kind enough to warn me, we would have been there, highly dependent on Pablo for transportation, which would have meant being under his control. Since I previously have constantly recommended this seminary and institution, I feel a great burden for misleading people, even if in ignorance. One young man from Texas whom I have been encouraging to go there for over a year is determined to go, even when I retracted my support. I am not the only reason he is going there, but when he was in times of doubt, I encouraged him to continue to prepare to go there. Now I feel partly responsible for whatever happens to him spiritually when he is there. I had told him if he was ever in trouble there call me because I am only 2 and 1/2 hours away, much closer than TX. But with the new rules in effect, the seminarians are cut off, and he would have no way to contact me. So this is to repair the wrong I have done in recommending Boston, not to spread gossip.

I am in a difficult position, because some of this was told me in confidence and some not. But if I am silent, I am complicit in the harm they may do. Otherwise, I would not be saying this. Normally, I keep what is told to me in confidence inviolate. But the hurt that was done to my friend there puts me in a position that I must warn of danger. This is not light gossip, but a soul wrenching situation for me. I am in deep grief for Boston, but aware that my endorsements must be withdrawn.

If you look at my posts, before this I mostly posted sermons. I have only shared this because of the danger to souls involved with this. The biggest component of my character is to mother and nurture. So when I see the little ones in danger, I fight like a tigress for her young. That is my motivation, to save any from being ensnared in something that may damage their souls
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hollingsworth · « **Reply #2 on:** September 29, 2015, 01:00:54 AM »

Matthew, if you're trying to smoke me out, forget it. At the proper time what needs to said will be said. Maria Angela Grow, We hear you, and pretty much know what you're getting at. Believe me, if we had friends or acquaintances who were planning to steer a young son, relative or friend in the direction of Boston, KY, we'd try to warn them not to do it. The SSPX-MC Boston, KY is no place to wish an aspiring young man to go, who thinks he may have a vocation. Not on your life!

MaterDominici · « **Reply #3 on:** September 29, 2015, 01:49:21 AM »

Quote from: hollingsworth

Matthew, if you're trying to smoke me out, forget it.

He just wants you to choose between A and B above. If now is not the time for a given piece of information, then stop mentioning it.

MariaAngelaGrow · « **Reply #4 on:** September 29, 2015, 03:12:57 AM »

Hollingsworth, if you know something that can prevent my friend from going down there, please tell us. He is planning to go with his father on the retreat they are having then stay. It sounds as it he will be cut off from outside communication once the retreat is over and his father leaves, and at the mercy of Pablo. Pablo used to have a grudge against this young man, but changed after his mother went on retreat there and became excited about supporting Fr. Pfeiffer's work. I hate to say this, but the family probably has some money. Not rich, but enough to help keep father afloat, so I think that is behind the change in attitude. With his parents suckered in by all this razzle dazzle, then I am the only adult in his life trying to make sure he is safe spiritually in this situation. I will lay my heart open here, and if people want to trample on it, that is ok. My first marriage was civil, stupidly, outside the Church. It resulted in my losing custody of my children because his parents had money, and I had none. Long story. The result was a son that was taken to FL, though I did not know where he was, and kept from contact with me. When he was 16 he killed himself. My daughter has been taught to hate me, and she has only communicated with me when she wants money. Since I have little, I usually can not give much, so she is not in my life. I have a deep love for young people, and I can do nothing for my children that I bore, then I very much want to help any young person who needs it. It seems I will always find people to mother. So I care about all my young people. I have young people worldwide who call me mother. It rather amazes me, but there are so many who had no mother for some reason or a cold mother. Now this young man has a perfectly good mother, but she is deceived at the moment, and not protecting him from this. He is smart. He could learn French and go to Avrille. But they all think this is a good seminary. I have other friends who are refugees from bad seminaries. These men left because it was bad many places after Vatican II, and they tried several places. Then they gave up. None of these men married. They had a vocation but it bypassed them because they went to the wrong places to be formed. What a loss this is! I do not wish this to happen to my young friend that he be turned away from his vocation, maybe even his faith by a bad experience there. Time is very short before he leaves, so if you can say something that would help, please speak, Hollingsworth. God bless you all.