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Title: Friday July 13th Bread And Water Fast for the 2018 SSPX General Chapter
Post by: StonewallCatho on July 09, 2018, 04:51:33 PM
From an email of Fr. Girouard sent today to his parishioners of Aldergrove and Post Falls:

Dear parishioners,

ABOUT THE GENERAL CHAPTER OF THE SSPX:

It starts July 11 and ends July 21. We have preached, prayed, sacrificed for the the return of the Society to the right orientation since the disaster of the 2012 Chapter. Now is the time to intensify our sacrifices and prayers. This Friday, it will be July 13th, the anniversary of a great apparition at Fatima, where Our Lady taught us the prayer for offering our sacrifices. There was also the vision of hell, the warning about the chastisements, and the errors of Russia, and the announcement that God will ask for the Consecration of Russia. I suggest that, to the usual Abstinence of Friday, we add Fasting. I also invite you to make your fast a "Bread and Water" fast (just plain bread and water. No butter, tea, etc.). Fr. Lacouture, a Jesuit of the early 20th century, has obtained many miracles by asking people in need to do such fasts.

II THINK THAT EXTREME DISTRESS CALLS FOR EXTREME MEASURES. I WILL DO THE BREAD AND WATER FAST THIS FRIDAY. I ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO IT ALSO. IF YOU CANNOT DO IT ON FRIDAY, PLEASE DO IT ON ANOTHER DAY DURING THE CHAPTER. IF YOU CANNOT DO THE B&W FAST, DO THE NORMAL FAST. ANYTHING WILL HELP. I PROMISE YOU THAT THIS B&W FAST WILL NOT KILL YOU. IF IT DOES, I WILL PUBLICLY APOLOGIZE TO YOU.

Thank you and God bless,

Fr. Girouard
Title: Re: Friday July 13th Bread And Water Fast for the 2018 SSPX General Chapter
Post by: Pax Vobis on July 09, 2018, 05:05:00 PM
Even though I think the sspx leadership has used/abused the Fatima message in their quest to sell out the sspx and destroy tradition, just like they "spun the yarn" that the Rosary crusades obtained the "miraculous" motu proprio (which, we can now see was a further attack by new-rome, since it has eroded traditionalism by siphoning off the millenial generation from the sspx into the indult...the old "divide and conquer" method), I'll go along with the fast.  God can use these graces for something else, if the sspx chooses to discard them.
Title: Re: Friday July 13th Bread And Water Fast for the 2018 SSPX General Chapter
Post by: ihsv on July 09, 2018, 05:19:33 PM
This is an excellent call to Catholic action.

"But this kind (of devil) is not cast out but by prayer and fasting."
[Matthew 17:20]

Count me in.
Title: Re: Friday July 13th Bread And Water Fast for the 2018 SSPX General Chapter
Post by: Matto on July 09, 2018, 06:35:09 PM
I will join in.
Title: Re: Friday July 13th Bread And Water Fast for the 2018 SSPX General Chapter
Post by: Mega-fin on July 09, 2018, 06:54:14 PM
May God bless Fr Girourd and May He make our efforts effective and obtain the conversion of the Society. 
Title: Re: Friday July 13th Bread And Water Fast for the 2018 SSPX General Chapter
Post by: Maria Auxiliadora on July 09, 2018, 07:29:45 PM

Even though I think the sspx leadership has used/abused the Fatima message in their quest to sell out the sspx and destroy tradition, just like they "spun the yarn" that the Rosary crusades obtained the "miraculous" motu proprio (which, we can now see was a further attack by new-rome, since it has eroded traditionalism by siphoning off the millenial generation from the sspx into the indult...the old "divide and conquer" method), I'll go along with the fast.  God can use these graces for something else, if the sspx chooses to discard them.

That is precisely why it should be done.
Title: Re: Friday July 13th Bread And Water Fast for the 2018 SSPX General Chapter
Post by: Pax Vobis on July 09, 2018, 10:46:42 PM
Don't be surprised if Fr comes out after the Chapter meeting and says that the new liberal-leaning leader of the sspx is "an answer" to all our prayers.  The problem is that most of the people who are left in the sspx (the ones who are staunchly pro-Lefevbre have already left or were kicked out) are probably praying FOR a deal with rome.  So when the sspx elects a new, liberal leader, who will lead the triumphant sspx into the new-rome's lion den, this will be an answer to their prayers!  Oh, the irony.

I'll still take part in the fast, in case God decides to intervene.  If He does not, the sspx is already sunk.
Title: Re: Friday July 13th Bread And Water Fast for the 2018 SSPX General Chapter
Post by: Maria Auxiliadora on July 09, 2018, 11:53:44 PM

Absolutely. But Our Lady will not be mocked. The fast is worth the try for the good of the Church but man proposes and God disposes. The sacrifices and prayers may be answered in ways we never thought possible. Perhaps massive defections...Humanly speaking, is hopeless. 


Title: Re: Friday July 13th Bread And Water Fast for the 2018 SSPX General Chapter
Post by: Meg on July 10, 2018, 09:41:59 AM
II THINK THAT EXTREME DISTRESS CALLS FOR EXTREME MEASURES. I WILL DO THE BREAD AND WATER FAST THIS FRIDAY. I ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO IT ALSO. IF YOU CANNOT DO IT ON FRIDAY, PLEASE DO IT ON ANOTHER DAY DURING THE CHAPTER. IF YOU CANNOT DO THE B&W FAST, DO THE NORMAL FAST. ANYTHING WILL HELP. I PROMISE YOU THAT THIS B&W FAST WILL NOT KILL YOU. IF IT DOES, I WILL PUBLICLY APOLOGIZE TO YOU.

Thank you and God bless,

Fr. Girouard


I got a chuckle out of the last two sentences. I so appreciate Fr. Girouard's sense of humor. So glad to see a communication and recommendation from him on the subject of the General Chapter.

I'll do the fast. I hope that more trads will do the same. Many trads see the situation in the SSPX as being hopeless, but we still have recourse to a supernatural solution by appealing to God for help, though a little bit of sacrifice.
Title: Re: Friday July 13th Bread And Water Fast for the 2018 SSPX General Chapter
Post by: JmJ2cents on July 10, 2018, 10:02:39 AM
Don't be surprised if Fr comes out after the Chapter meeting and says that the new liberal-leaning leader of the sspx is "an answer" to all our prayers.  The problem is that most of the people who are left in the sspx (the ones who are staunchly pro-Lefevbre have already left or were kicked out) are probably praying FOR a deal with rome.  So when the sspx elects a new, liberal leader, who will lead the triumphant sspx into the new-rome's lion den, this will be an answer to their prayers!  Oh, the irony.

I'll still take part in the fast, in case God decides to intervene.  If He does not, the sspx is already sunk.
If in fact that is what happens and let say Fr. Pfluger is elected then I say that it will be a win in some way because the obvious direction towards a personal prelature will be swift and maybe more will wake up.  Sounds cynical but the SSPX is done. I will also join the fast because no prayer or sacrifice is wasted.  
Title: Re: Friday July 13th Bread And Water Fast for the 2018 SSPX General Chapter
Post by: Mega-fin on July 10, 2018, 11:32:16 AM
Absolutely. But Our Lady will not be mocked. The fast is worth the try for the good of the Church but man proposes and God disposes. The sacrifices and prayers may be answered in ways we never thought possible. Perhaps massive defections...Humanly speaking, is hopeless.
We do not know the ways of God ... perhaps that will be His answer. Time will tell. 
Title: Re: Friday July 13th Bread And Water Fast for the 2018 SSPX General Chapter
Post by: Incredulous on July 10, 2018, 01:50:03 PM

Prayer & Fasting for one day... to engage the demonic forces bent on destroying Catholic tradition... you say?

Then, let's mount-up Ladies & Gentlemen...

(https://i.pinimg.com/600x315/93/2f/ae/932faef49d22c876422c0142096233dd.jpg)

And ride to the sounds of the guns!

:pray: :pray: :pray:




Title: Re: Friday July 13th Bread And Water Fast for the 2018 SSPX General Chapter
Post by: StonewallCatho on July 10, 2018, 04:03:51 PM
Don't be surprised if Fr comes out after the Chapter meeting and says that the new liberal-leaning leader of the sspx is "an answer" to all our prayers.  
Reading Pax Vobis comment we understand that he/she is not really knowing Fr. Girouard. Here is an excerpt from the Mission Statement he composed to explain the goals of his Resistance parish, on their first Mass, on June 2, 2013:
"And when can we go back and trust the SSPX again? The answer is pretty much the same as the above: When Bishop Fellay, the other members of the 2012 Chapter, and all the priests of the Society who have promoted the new line will be demoted and barred from any future office; when the texts of the Chapter will be officially and legally condemned; when H.E. Bishop Williamson and the faithful priests will be vindicated by the new management; when a book on the history of this crisis will be published and read yearly in our communities; when a new General Chapter will condemn in the most strong manner the New Mass and Vatican II, and will forbid any contact with conciliar authorities, until Rome has cleaned its mess."

You can find the full text here: https://thebastion.faith/our-mission-statement/ (https://thebastion.faith/our-mission-statement/)

I hope this will dispell any fear that Father would present a new liberal Genaral Superior an an answer to our prayers and sacrifices.
Title: Re: Friday July 13th Bread And Water Fast for the 2018 SSPX General Chapter
Post by: chrstnoel1 on July 11, 2018, 07:12:14 AM
Prayer & Fasting for one day... to engage the demonic forces bent on destroying Catholic tradition... you say?

Then, let's mount-up Ladies & Gentlemen...

(https://i.pinimg.com/600x315/93/2f/ae/932faef49d22c876422c0142096233dd.jpg)

And ride to the sounds of the guns!

:pray: :pray: :pray:
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f12/chrstnoel/2772591777_649380b965_z_zpstodr9ptw.jpg) (http://s44.photobucket.com/user/chrstnoel/media/2772591777_649380b965_z_zpstodr9ptw.jpg.html)
:pray: :pray:
Title: Re: Friday July 13th Bread And Water Fast for the 2018 SSPX General Chapter
Post by: Pax Vobis on July 11, 2018, 09:52:33 AM
Quote
Reading Pax Vobis comment we understand that he/she is not really knowing Fr. Girouard.
Yes, I don't know anything about him.  Sorry for my blind cynicism.  I hope he's anti new-rome and pro tradition.  Let's hope our fast is worthy to show good results.
Title: Re: Friday July 13th Bread And Water Fast for the 2018 SSPX General Chapter
Post by: Meg on July 11, 2018, 12:32:43 PM
Here's an older video of a sermon by Fr. Girouard, on the subject of the importance of sacrifice, from 2012 or 2013, not long after his dismissal from the SSPX, for openly disagreeing with the new orientation of the SSPX.

Here are a few excepts from the last part of the video. He is of course speaking to his flock at his chapel (after having endured the trial of having to separate from the SSPX), but I think it can pertain to the greater Resistance as well:


"We read in the Gospel of today that the gates of hell will not prevail. He did not say that the gates of hell will not try to prevail, or will not seem to prevail, but he said they will not prevail. But in the meantime, they will attack and be so powerful that they seem to be prevailing, but will not prevail at the end.

The first Christians were the same kind of human beings that we are. The reaction of that little girl shows it. It was a very human reaction, and yes for them too it was tiring to be praying; it was tiring to be fasting; it was tiring to be persecuted, but they did it and they accepted the Cross, and God helped them. This is our mission as a little group to imitate their fervor, and to do all the sacrifices we can in terms of our daily life, our fidelity to the commands of God, our striving for modesty in dress and modesty in behavior, and humility, the practice of meekness, the imitation of Our Lord, the readings of the life of the saints, the readings of the Bible, of the catechism.

Yes, we have to sacrifice by making, maybe, if we read this book, if we do these good prayers, we have less time for recreation. I agree. It's true it's a sacrifice. But that's what I mean. We need to do these sacrifices. Because God, it is His will that He will use what we in philosophy call secondary causes. Yes, God could make a miracle today, God could change the hearts of everybody, but that's not the way He wants to operate.

He wants to operate through us, and that is why if we want to be true Resistance against the shenanigans of the Society, because the Society is now abandoning her role, the Society now, under the illusion of trying to change the Church from the inside, the conciliar church from the inside, the new Society, that's what they want. They should, instead, remain like they did, like we used to be. A power, or a little power, a little lighthouse that will stand on a rock, the rock of true doctrine, the rock of the true sacraments, and that will guide the ships. It is no use to be a lighthouse if you are inside the ship. That's our way to hell, the modern church […] It's not for us to go to them and adapt to them.

And so prayer, sacrifices and being steadfast on the rock of truth and the true sacraments, this is our program as the Resistance, and we must do more than we used to do. If we only want to do what we were doing at Christ the King (chapel), that is not enough."


https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=fr.+patrick+girouard%2c+youtube&&view=detail&mid=4EE5CABD205B4E7CCB9D4EE5CABD205B4E7CCB9D&rvsmid=32FA30257F634F69116432FA30257F634F691164&FORM=VDMCNR


I hope that the link will work..
Title: Re: Friday July 13th Bread And Water Fast for the 2018 SSPX General Chapter
Post by: Pax Vobis on July 11, 2018, 12:49:51 PM
So, the election has already happened.  I guess the friday fast is too late...
Title: Re: Friday July 13th Bread And Water Fast for the 2018 SSPX General Chapter
Post by: stgobnait on July 11, 2018, 01:17:51 PM
A shoo in...
Title: Re: Friday July 13th Bread And Water Fast for the 2018 SSPX General Chapter
Post by: StonewallCatho on July 11, 2018, 03:47:22 PM
So, the election has already happened.  I guess the friday fast is too late...
The Bread and Water Fast was not for the election of the General Superior, which DICI had announced days ago would be on the 11th, and that of the two Assistants on the 12th. It was to obtain light and strength to all members of the Chapter, which ends on July 21st, so they can correct the mistakes made since the 2012 Chapter.

The highest authority in the SSPX is not the General Council, formed of the General Superior and his two General Assistants, but it is rather the General Chapter. The Chapter makes the laws and gives the orientations to the Society. The General Council is there to apply these laws and orientations in the day-to-day life of the Society. The General Council has to give an account of this work to the General Chapter every six years (if you take into account the Administrative Chapter, like the one in 2012). If necessary, to answer a particular grave question, an Extraordinary General Chapter can also be convened at any time to study and decide the course of action regarding that particular question.
Title: Re: Friday July 13th Bread And Water Fast for the 2018 SSPX General Chapter
Post by: Pax Vobis on July 11, 2018, 03:58:54 PM
Makes sense.  Ok, game on!
Title: Re: Friday July 13th Bread And Water Fast for the 2018 SSPX General Chapter
Post by: StonewallCatho on July 11, 2018, 08:37:26 PM
Received today from Fr. Girouard: More reasons to join in the Bread and Water Fast:

Well, not only has the Chapter chosen a liberal as General Superior (Fr. Pagliarani, who is the one who saved Bishop Fellay from criticism at the 2012 Chapter), but they also chose two arch-liberals as his Assistants: 1-Bishop Galaretta, who in his October 2012 conference at Villepreux defended the 2012 Chapter, and went so far as to say that a 50% + 1 votes would be enough in a future Chapter to endorse an agreement with Rome; 2-Fr. Bouchacourt who, as District Superior of Argentina had Cardinal Bergoglio "recognize" the society in that country, and who, as District Superior of France has continually battled and hammered the Resistance.

Bishop Fellay has prepared the way since 1997, and this new set of Superiors seems to have been chosen to implement a soon-to-be announced "recognition" by Rome.

The Chapter ends up one day before the Feast of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, and maybe a recognition would be declared, on that day, to be an answer to the Last Rosary Crusade.

One more reason to pray and sacrifice, and to participate in the July 13th day of fast on Bread and Water.

God bless,

Fr. Girouard
Title: Re: Friday July 13th Bread And Water Fast for the 2018 SSPX General Chapter
Post by: Meg on July 12, 2018, 08:52:31 AM
Received today from Fr. Girouard: More reasons to join in the Bread and Water Fast:

Well, not only has the Chapter chosen a liberal as General Superior (Fr. Pagliarani, who is the one who saved Bishop Fellay from criticism at the 2012 Chapter), but they also chose two arch-liberals as his Assistants: 1-Bishop Galaretta, who in his October 2012 conference at Villepreux defended the 2012 Chapter, and went so far as to say that a 50% + 1 votes would be enough in a future Chapter to endorse an agreement with Rome; 2-Fr. Bouchacourt who, as District Superior of Argentina had Cardinal Bergoglio "recognize" the society in that country, and who, as District Superior of France has continually battled and hammered the Resistance.

Bishop Fellay has prepared the way since 1997, and this new set of Superiors seems to have been chosen to implement a soon-to-be announced "recognition" by Rome.

The Chapter ends up one day before the Feast of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, and maybe a recognition would be declared, on that day, to be an answer to the Last Rosary Crusade.

One more reason to pray and sacrifice, and to participate in the July 13th day of fast on Bread and Water.

God bless,

Fr. Girouard

Thanks for posting this communication from Fr. Girouard.

It's interesting that back in 2012, that Fr. Bouchacourt said that 50% + 1 vote would be enough in a future chapter to endorse an agreement with Rome. Let's hope that they don't put the matter to a vote at the current Chapter, but Fr. Girouard seems to think that there's a good chance that that will happen, as an answer to the 'Rosary crusade,' and that Bp. Fellay has paved the way since 1997. 

It's sad to think of Bp. Galaretta as an arch-liberal. My, how things have changed in the SSPX.

The fast is tomorrow.
Title: Re: Friday July 13th Bread And Water Fast for the 2018 SSPX General Chapter
Post by: MaterDominici on July 13, 2018, 12:54:42 AM
Reminder bump.
Title: Re: Friday July 13th Bread And Water Fast for the 2018 SSPX General Chapter
Post by: AJNC on July 13, 2018, 01:14:45 AM
The Bread and Water Fast was not for the election of the General Superior, which DICI had announced days ago would be on the 11th, and that of the two Assistants on the 12th. It was to obtain light and strength to all members of the Chapter, which ends on July 21st, so they can correct the mistakes made since the 2012 Chapter.

The highest authority in the SSPX is not the General Council, formed of the General Superior and his two General Assistants, but it is rather the General Chapter. The Chapter makes the laws and gives the orientations to the Society. The General Council is there to apply these laws and orientations in the day-to-day life of the Society. The General Council has to give an account of this work to the General Chapter every six years (if you take into account the Administrative Chapter, like the one in 2012). If necessary, to answer a particular grave question, an Extraordinary General Chapter can also be convened at any time to study and decide the course of action regarding that particular question.
A few of us in India - SSPX,  Marian-Corps,  and Independent  -are fasting as per the intention of Fr Girouard. It's now nearly Noon , Indian Standard Time, on Friday 13th July.
Title: Re: Friday July 13th Bread And Water Fast for the 2018 SSPX General Chapter
Post by: StonewallCatho on July 13, 2018, 07:20:36 AM
A few of us in India - SSPX,  Marian-Corps,  and Independent  -are fasting as per the intention of Fr Girouard. It's now nearly Noon , Indian Standard Time, on Friday 13th July.
This is wonderful! God bless you all!