Author Topic: Francis, your pope (Read 13933 times)

PerEvangelicaDicta · « **Reply #55 on:** April 11, 2014, 11:34:46 AM »

Quote from: johnb104

Sorry for that hint of trolling PerE and all. Can't edit that last comment.

no problem.
We be friends dude.

(couldn't resist)

Nishant · « **Reply #56 on:** April 11, 2014, 11:39:02 AM »

Quote from: ultrarigorist

Alexander VI actually did his job

Pope Alexander VI was also accused of heresy.

Quote from: Savonarola

For I bear witness in the name of God that this Alexander VI is in no way Pope and cannot be. For quite apart from the execrable crime of simony, by which he got possession of the [papal] tiara through a sacrilegious bargaining, and by which every day he puts up to auction and knocks down to the highest bidder ecclesiastical benefices, and quite apart from his other vices - well-known to all - which I will pass over in silence, this I declare in the first place and affirm it with all certitude, that the man is not a Christian, he does not even believe any longer that there is a God; he goes beyond the final limits of infidelity and impiety

To understand why the accusation was false is to understand why modern sedevacantism is false. Cardinal Billot treats this example in detail.

Capt McQuigg · « **Reply #57 on:** April 11, 2014, 12:06:47 PM »

Quote from: Nishant

Quote from: ultrarigorist
Alexander VI actually did his job

Pope Alexander VI was also accused of heresy.

Quote from: Savonarola
For I bear witness in the name of God that this Alexander VI is in no way Pope and cannot be. For quite apart from the execrable crime of simony, by which he got possession of the [papal] tiara through a sacrilegious bargaining, and by which every day he puts up to auction and knocks down to the highest bidder ecclesiastical benefices, and quite apart from his other vices - well-known to all - which I will pass over in silence, this I declare in the first place and affirm it with all certitude, that the man is not a Christian, he does not even believe any longer that there is a God; he goes beyond the final limits of infidelity and impiety

To understand why the accusation was false is to understand why modern sedevacantism is false. Cardinal Billot treats this example in detail.

Excellent quote, Nishant. However, I think the cases are too different to compare. No one post-Vatican II is accusing the post-Vatican II popes of buying their way into the papacy. The post-Vatican II popes merely changed the entire religion into something it never was. I also sometimes suspect the post-Vatican II popes of actually being atheists, power hungry? Yes. Devout and pious? I guess it depends on the definition. Marxists hate Our Lord but love power and have whole paragraphs of Marx and Hegel committed to memory so they are devout in the deviance.

I am interested in what Cardinal Billot had to say - can you post it?

ultrarigorist · « **Reply #58 on:** April 11, 2014, 12:08:17 PM »

Quote from: Nishant

Quote from: ultrarigorist
Alexander VI actually did his job

Pope Alexander VI was also accused of heresy.

Quote from: Savonarola
For I bear witness in the name of God that this Alexander VI is in no way Pope and cannot be. For quite apart from the execrable crime of simony, by which he got possession of the [papal] tiara through a sacrilegious bargaining, and by which every day he puts up to auction and knocks down to the highest bidder ecclesiastical benefices, and quite apart from his other vices - well-known to all - which I will pass over in silence, this I declare in the first place and affirm it with all certitude, that the man is not a Christian, he does not even believe any longer that there is a God; he goes beyond the final limits of infidelity and impiety

To understand why the accusation was false is to understand why modern sedevacantism is false. Cardinal Billot treats this example in detail.

The thing speaks for itself...

PerEvangelicaDicta · « **Reply #59 on:** April 11, 2014, 12:13:58 PM »

Yes, someone please explain the hundreds of pictures of the conciliar popes in league with evil men? That is, blatantly exchanging masonic handshakes or signals or symbols on the papal vestments (Benedict XVI), or like this one... holding hands.
Too many to list.