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Francis, your pope
« Reply #45 on: April 10, 2014, 06:13:46 PM »
Quote from: poche
Shortly after Pope Benedict resigned, the cardinals met in the Sistine Chapel and closed the doors. Shortly thereafter, white smoke cane out through the chimney. One of the cardinals came to the window and said, "Habemus Papum..." Jorge came to the window and was introduced as the new pope. He says his new name is Francis. Everyone recognizes him as the pope. The news media recognizes him as the pope. Protestants, Orthodox, Muslims etc. all recognize him as the pope (they say that they disagree with him but they recognize him as the pope.) The Catholic Church recognizes him as the pope. His enemies recognize him as the pope. The press recognizes him as the pope. If all these people infidels and heretics recognize that Francis is the pope then that is good enough for me. Francis I is the pope of the Catholic Church.  


I straightened out your commentary a bit there Poche, so your viewpoint can be better understood.

Francis, your pope
« Reply #46 on: April 11, 2014, 07:07:53 AM »
Quote from: Mithrandylan
Quote from: poche
Quote from: PerEvangelicaDicta
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In truth, it is an infallible sign that a man is pope if all the Catholic bishops along with the laity peacefully accept him.

So what the news media and the Jews and the Muslims and the Lutherans think has absolutely zero impact on this doctrine.

So, does the Catholic world peacefully accept and adhere to this man as pope?  NOPE.  Most Novus Ordites don't go to Church, don't tithe, don't follow the teachings of their pope, eat birth control, live together before marriage, etc.

And the traditionalists, even those who vainly say they "recognize" him don't.  They don't submit to his liturgy, his canon law, his catechism, his calendar... there is no adherence at all, much less peaceful acceptance.

One cannot say that these men were peacefully accepted and adhered to, ergo they are popes.  


And what is objectively untruthful in Mithandylan's statement?

His conclusion that Francis I is not the pope.


Funny, because I didn't actually *say* that in that post.  In fact, it doesn't even follow logically from my post, which was merely an argument against your proof.  

PerEvangelicaDicta's question stands, pocket.


bump.
I'm honestly interested in what portions are not objective statements, Poche.


Francis, your pope
« Reply #47 on: April 11, 2014, 08:54:18 AM »
How can a living, breathing antichrist be Pope? What does Christ have in common with Belial?
If Francis is the Pope then the Catholic Church is a kingdom divided against itself, with Francis and his faithful being divided against Christ the King and his faithful. How is a kingdom divided against itself going to stand? If Francis is Catholic then the Catholic Church is no more, which we know to be impossible.

What I really don't understand about this situation is the lukewarmness. Even the sedevacantist priests don't seem to get how apocalyptic the situation is. JPII's Assisi gathering might just be the greatest abomination committed in history. I'm surprised the world didn't just end there and then. How is JPII going to explain to Christ why he presented Christ, the second person of the eternal and divine trinity, to the entire world as being on the same level as demons and idols? How is Benedict XVI going to respond when Christ holds up the "oath against modernism" (which Benedict took) to his face?

Has anybody heard of the phrase, "Athansisus against the world"? It refers to the Arian crisis where "the world woke up one day to find itself Arian". Athanasius didn't play around in denouncing the Arians, he said that they were heretics and were damned. Now all the Arians did was deny the divinity of Christ; that's all, just a single Catholic dogma. The Vatican II Popes, however, have implicitly denied every single dogma of the Catholic faith through their Modernist heresy which Pope St. Pius X rightly called "the synthesis of all heresies". Have you heard about the Pope whose only fault was that he didn't combat the heresies of his day "hard enough", and for that transgression the Bishops exhumed his corpse, dressed him in his papal vestments, declared him a heretic, excommunicated him and divested him of his papal garments, and threw him into the river Tiber? Just for not combatting heresies hard enough. Now not only do the Vatican II Popes utterly and completely fail to adequately denounce the staggering multitude of heresies that plague our time, they actively go about promoting them. This is so antichrist that I can't get it into my head. I admit that I don't fully understand it and I think that it is a very great mystery (perhaps what St. Paul called the mystery of iniquity), and I presume that it takes a grace of God to comprehend it at all.

This is the main problem of "traditional Catholicism", it puts too much emphasis on getting back to the good old sacraments (and please don't think I'm underappreciating the importance of the blessed sacraments, because God forbid I do that), and not enough emphasis on the CATACLYSMIC APOSTASY that is taking place. I mean a Book of Apocalypse "Babylon the Great is fallen, fallen" level of apostasy. Didn't the great preacher St. Vincent Ferrer call himself the angel of the Last Judgement because he went about preaching the end times and the need for conversion? And that was before the Protestant Reformation, I believe, back in a time that many consider to be a great period of the Catholic Church. If St. Vincent Ferrer was preaching an apocalyptic message then, can you imagine how he would preach today? He must be looking down on us all from heaven in disbelief at our own disbelief.

The consequences of admitting that Francis is a heretic and that that enormous organization recognized by the world as being the Catholic Church is not recognized as such by Christ, the Blessed Virgin Mary, or the Saints, are unspeakably great. It seems to throw everything into doubt. How can you explain it other than as a tremendous punishment for sin? It's as though God has become sick with people taking "being Catholic" for granted and so he has let those lukewarm Catholics fall unknowingly into apostasy. I'm comforted by that message given to us by one of the recent Marian apparitions, I think it may have been Fatima, where Mary said that it would seem as though everything were lost before she would triumph. It does seem as though everything is lost. How many people today would ever think that the world is about to undergo a serious chastisement and that it's the Catholic Church that will be glorified thereafter? Many people don't think we need religion at all, so the idea that one Church (that same notorious Church that "opposed scientific progress", that "kept us in the Dark Ages", that is riddled with paedophiles, etc.) would be glorified the world over would be beyond ridiculous to them. Yet how beyond ridiculous was it to the Emperors setting the men and women on fire who "refused to worship the Emperor and instead worshipped a Galilaen carpenter" that one day those same wretched, despised people and their carpenter God would one day own Rome ad establish an Empire greater than any Roman had ever dreamed of? That's the situation that the early Saints and Martyrs were in - they believed that one day the whole world would bow before Christ, even though in their day Christians were seen as an insignificant sect. That's how strong God must want our faith to be today - it seems to the world that Christianity is a superstition belonging to a "Dark Age", but we have to believe that one day every single man and woman will bow before Christ.
 
I think traditional Catholicism may be a kind of temptation for many (I don't say for all, and would dread to say that). It might be a way of putting yourself to sleep with the comforts of feeling yourself to be "traditional" and "a true Catholic". I almost feel that it might be every Catholics duty today to become a preacher of sorts. I mean, I'm certain that it's every Catholics duty to process belief in Christ and the Catholic Church, to denounce heresies, not to mix with heretics or unbelievers, etc. I think it's shameful that Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses are generally more zealous in preaching their heresies and blasphemies than I am at preaching the one true faith. I think that because these heretics are relatively small in number it gives them the tenacity of the underdog. However, the Catholic Church is (or has been) so big that people are tempted to cuddle up to Mother Church and let her do all the unpleasant work. That might have been sort-of viable when we had faithful religious orders with committed preachers, but now we're back to the catacombs and we all have to be as zealous as those young virgin martyrs or as St. Paul who suffered all for Christ.

People put a lot of emphasis on the Book of Apocalypse today, but the problem with this is that the Book is so mysterious. I think we need to put more focus on Ezekiel in the Old Testament. In that book everybody who "sighs at the abominations" taking place is marked with a cross on their forehead, and everybody else is slain. That's where we are at today, I think. Whoever does not sigh at the abominations is damned first of all. Then in the Book it says that if God finds a Noe, a Daniel or a Job in the midst he will spare that man but not his sons or his daughters - that man's justice will only be enough to merit saving his own life. That, again, is where I think we are at today. I think you may well have to be another Noe, Daniel or Job in terms of righteousness and good conduct in life in order to be spared.


Francis, your pope
« Reply #48 on: April 11, 2014, 10:23:03 AM »
Francis is the Pope. We've had bad Popes before. Ya'll be trippin.

Francis, your pope
« Reply #49 on: April 11, 2014, 10:34:01 AM »
Quote from: johnb104
We've had bad Popes before. Ya'll be trippin.

Not this bad. History's favorite dead horse, Alexander VI, was absolutely saintly compared to recent incuмbents.
Alexander VI actually did his job!