Author Topic: Francis, your pope (Read 14031 times)

Matto · « **Reply #10 on:** April 02, 2014, 02:10:06 PM »

Quote from: Clemens Maria

4. Dozens of Catholic bishops and hundreds and maybe thousands of priests have already publicly declared that Jorge Bergoglio's claim to the papacy is invalid.

Are there really thousands of priests who have publicly declared that Francis is an antipope. That seems to me like something you just said with no evidence that isn't true. If it were true there would be thousands of sedevacantist priests. Are there really that many?

Clemens Maria · « **Reply #11 on:** April 02, 2014, 02:55:41 PM »

Quote from: Matto

Quote from: Clemens Maria

4. Dozens of Catholic bishops and hundreds and maybe thousands of priests have already publicly declared that Jorge Bergoglio's claim to the papacy is invalid.

Are there really thousands of priests who have publicly declared that Francis is an antipope. That seems to me like something you just said with no evidence that isn't true. If it were true there would be thousands of sedevacantist priests. Are there really that many?

There are at least 40 Catholic bishops who have publicly declared that the Conciliar popes are antipopes. Here is a list:

Bishop Robert McKenna, OP
Bishop Franco Munari
Bishop Philippe Miguet
Bishop M. Main
Bishop Richard Bedingfeld
Bishop Oliver Oravec
Bishop Joseph Corona Santiago Gomez
Bishop Peter Hillebrand
Bishop John E. Hesson, OSB
Bishop Mark A. Pivarunas, CMRI
Bishop Javier Miranda Chairez
Bishop Daniel Dolan
Bishop Clarence Kelly
Bishop Edward Peterson
Bishop J. G. Roux
Bishop Michael French
Bishop Camille Nziboe Mebale
Bishop Xavier Alain André du Rosaire
Bishop Raphaël Cloquell
Bishop Francis Slupski, CSSR
Bishop Martin Davila Gandara
Bishop Geert Jan Stuyver, IMBC
Bishop Donald J. Sanborn
Bishop Robert L. Neville
Bishop Giles Butler
Bishop Andres Morello
Bishop Joseph J. Santay, C.S.P.V
Bishop J. Rodriguez
Bishop Luis Alberto Madrigal
Bishop Paul Petko
Bishop Robert Dymek
Bishop W. Greene
Bishop Bonaventure Strandt
Bishop Emmanuel Korab
Bishop Thomas Fouhy
Bishop José Ramon López-Gastón
Bishop Terence Fulham
Bishop John Simmons
Bishop Markus Ramolla
Bishop Neil/Dominic? Webster

There might be more.

As for the number of priests, I do not know but you would be sadly mistaken if you tried to claim that there are less than 200 sedevacantist priests in the world.

Matto · « **Reply #12 on:** April 02, 2014, 03:00:05 PM »

Thank you for posting the list of bishops. I believe many here including myself will find it interesting.

I actually have no idea how many sedevacantist priests there are, but I would be surprised if there were more than a thousand.

2Vermont · « **Reply #13 on:** April 02, 2014, 03:54:20 PM »

Quote from: Matto

Thank you for posting the list of bishops. I believe many here including myself will find it interesting.

I actually have no idea how many sedevacantist priests there are, but I would be surprised if there were more than a thousand.

I don't know the actual numbers either but Wikipedia said:

The number of sedevacantists is largely unknown, with estimates given in tens to hundreds of thousands.

If there are as many as 100,000's of SV's then I'm not so sure over 1,000 priests is that far-fetched. That's only 1%.

poche · « **Reply #14 on:** April 07, 2014, 11:05:58 AM »

Shortly after Pope Benedict resigned, the cardinals met in the Sistine Chapel and closed the doors. Shortly thereafter, white smoke cane out through the chimney. One of the cardinals came to the window and said, "Habemus Papum..." Jorge came to the window and was introduced as the new pope. He says his new name is Francis. Everyone recognizes him as the pope. The news media recognizes him as the pope. Protestants, Orthodox, Muslims etc. all recognize him as the pope (they say that they disagree with him but they recognize him as the pope.) The Catholic Church recognizes him as the pope. His enemies recognize him as the pope. The press recognizes him as the pope. If all these people recognize that Francis is the pope then that is good enough for me. Francis I is the pope of the Catholic Church.