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  • Quote from: Rorate
    In a visit to the French city of Fabregues on May 11 (that is, the day following Rorate's revelation of his meeting with Pope Francis), the Superior-General of the Society of Saint Pius X, Bp. Bernard Fellay, spoke at length about various matters of relevance to his congregation. The most important part was that related to the personality of Pope Francis:
    Quote from: Bp. Fellay
       With the current pope, as he is a practical man, he looks at people. What a person thinks, what he believes, is at the end a matter of indifference to him. What matters is that this person be sympathetic in his view, that he seems correct to him, one may say it like this.

        And therefore he read twice Bp. Tissier de Mallerais' book on Abp. Lefebvre, and this book pleased him; he is against all that we represent, but, as a life, it pleased him. When, as a Cardinal, he was in South America, the District Superior [Fr. Christian Bouchacourt] came to ask him for an administrative favor with no relation to the Church; a visa problem, of permanent residency. The Argentine government, which is very leftwing, makes use of the concordat that was established to protect the Church to bother us quite seriously, and tells us, "you say you are Catholic, it is thus necessary for you to have the signature of the bishop in order to reside in the country." The District Superior therefore went to him to present the problem: there was an easy solution, and that would be to declare ourselves an independent church [before Civil Law], but we did not want to do it because we are Catholic. And the Cardinal told us, "no, no, you are Catholic, that is evident; I will help you;" he wrote a letter in our favor to the government, that is so leftwing that they managed to find a opposing letter by the nuncio. Therefore, a 0-0 tie. Now he is the pope, and our lawyer had the opportunity of having a meeting with the Pope. He told him that the problem was still going on with the Society, and asked him to please designate a bishop in Argentina with whom we could sort out this problem. The Pope told him, "Yes, and this bishop is myself, I promised to help, and I will do it."

        I am still waiting for it, but anyway he said it, just as he said that, "those people there, they think I will excommunicate them, but they are mistaken;" he said something else that was very interesting: "I will not condemn them, and I will not stop anyone from visiting them [lit. 'd'aller chez eux'.]" Once again, I will wait to see.
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    Offline hugeman

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    Francis read Bp. Tissiers biography of Abp. Lefebvre twice?
    « Reply #1 on: May 28, 2014, 07:48:14 PM »
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  • "He is a practical man..." This is so Fellay and Rostand. They were claiming the whole hot summer of 2012 "we don't give up anything of our principles; we just seek recognition as a practical matter..."
        Never mind that Francis feels the same for communists, animists, Jєωs, atheists and every other sect and perverse faith. His is to build bridges-- a continuation of Benedict, Fellay's trickster pope. And its like Fellay to couch these meetings, once they've been exposed, in the best light possible, so the sheep don't  realize that this was a meeting of the wolves.


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    Francis read Bp. Tissiers biography of Abp. Lefebvre twice?
    « Reply #2 on: May 28, 2014, 10:50:20 PM »
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  • So, you are saying in a backhanded way that Pope Francis helped the SSPX.

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    Francis read Bp. Tissiers biography of Abp. Lefebvre twice?
    « Reply #3 on: May 29, 2014, 05:54:38 AM »
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  • In the event of a deal I hope Bergoglio laicizes Fellay and his cabal.

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    Francis read Bp. Tissiers biography of Abp. Lefebvre twice?
    « Reply #4 on: May 29, 2014, 03:44:30 PM »
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    In the event of a deal I hope Bergoglio laicizes Fellay and his cabal.


    VERY bad thing to say!


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    Francis read Bp. Tissiers biography of Abp. Lefebvre twice?
    « Reply #5 on: May 31, 2014, 01:07:05 AM »
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    Quote from: Francisco
    In the event of a deal I hope Bergoglio laicizes Fellay and his cabal.


    VERY bad thing to say!


    Is it I wonder?. Fellay joined the SSPX after 1976 when Abp.Lefebvre was suspended from all clerical functions, the SSPX was suppressed and Econe de-rcognized as a seminary. He did 5 years in the seminary supporting the then anti-Conciliarist stance of the Society. He accepted episcopal consecration in 1988 against the express wishes of JPII and obviously endorsing ABL's view that anti-christs were running Rome.

    Now he has done a u-turn.

    If he wants so much to be a part of Newchurch it is Newchurch who decides if he is to remain in orders or not.

    Offline soulguard

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    Francis read Bp. Tissiers biography of Abp. Lefebvre twice?
    « Reply #6 on: June 04, 2014, 10:04:13 PM »
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  • Done a U turn?

    I see no U turn. Perhaps it is invisible.

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    Francis read Bp. Tissiers biography of Abp. Lefebvre twice?
    « Reply #7 on: June 04, 2014, 10:38:54 PM »
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  • Soulguard, what are you trying to accomplish with your "prove it to me" statement.  Obfuscation, I say.  

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    Francis read Bp. Tissiers biography of Abp. Lefebvre twice?
    « Reply #8 on: June 04, 2014, 11:19:13 PM »
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    I'm happy to make a prediction:  When Newrome overruns the SSPX like a tank in Tiananmen Square, +Fellay will be replaced, and he will be set aside like yesterday's newspapers.  His inner circle will be picked off like ducks in a shooting gallery, as Newrome puts into place its own people.  They've got plenty of people to put in place.  

    There won't be any red hat, and there won't be any promotions.  

    These SSPX priests are all 'damaged goods' because they have a history of offering only the TLM which Newrome hates with a passion.  

    All we have to do is look at what has happened in other communities and pious unions and orders, when they are overrun like a tank at Tananmen Square by Newrome.

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    Francis read Bp. Tissiers biography of Abp. Lefebvre twice?
    « Reply #9 on: June 04, 2014, 11:32:26 PM »
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  • Quote from: soulguard
    Done a U turn?

    I see no U turn. Perhaps it is invisible.


    Perhaps soulguard ought to pay better attention:  

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    Anyone who reduces the Resistance to some kind of caricature ... is obviously a victim of self-delusion and is forcefully keeping himself convinced and ignorant about the issue. Such a one is clearly not seeking the truth.

    Why aren't they seeking the truth? God knows. I don't know. So I can't speculate or judge. What I do know is that they CAN'T be seeking the truth when they deny what is right in front of their faces. At best, they are lazy and not looking into it; merely repeating what others have told them. But that's still not seeking the truth!

    I don't have compassion or patience for such...idiots. There's no better word.

    Seeking the Truth is a prerequisite for membership on CathInfo. On most other points I am actually quite flexible.
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    Sure we each have to pick a side, and we all find ourselves on one side or the other. But don't let "team spirit" from that Side BLIND you to the truth right in front of your face.
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