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Francis Plans to Constrict Diocesan TLM’s
« on: June 03, 2021, 11:36:34 AM »
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  • Pope's Plan to Restrict Traditional Latin Mass Backed by Two Curial Cardinals
    Written by  Diane Montagna


    https://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/articles/item/5416-pope-s-plan-to-restrict-traditional-latin-mass-backed-by-two-curial-cardinals/




    VATICAN CITY, June 1, 2021 — The Remnant has independently confirmed that a Vatican document restricting Pope Benedict XVI’s apostolic letter Summorum Pontificum is backed by at least two Vatican cardinals, is in its third draft, and threatens to thwart the growth of the Traditional Latin Mass and other sacraments particularly among diocesan clergy.
    Two senior members of the hierarchy confirmed May 31 that the document, first reported by Messainlatino.it on May 25, is currently under review at the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF).
    Multiple sources have also told The Remnant that Pope Francis wishes to soon publish the document, and that it is alleged to be receiving backing in varying degrees from two cardinal consultors to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith: Cardinal Pietro Parolin, Vatican Secretary of State, and Cardinal Marc Ouellet, Prefect of the Congregation for Bishops.

    The sources also said that these restrictive measures will most probably be carried out by the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments and its newly appointed under-secretary Msgr. Aurelio García Marcías, whom Pope Francis is said to have raised to the episcopate for the very purpose of executing these plans.

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    Several senior Vatican sources have also confirmed that the first draft document was preceded by an introductory letter from Pope Francis that is said to have been very harsh and acrimonious toward the Tridentine Mass.

    The document is now in the third draft, the first two having been thought to be too severe. If it is eventually published, it is likely to roll back the liberalization of the Extraordinary Form of the Mass introduced by Pope Benedict XVI’s 2007 apostolic letter, Summorum Pontificum.
    That document authorized any stable group of faithful attached to the “previous liturgical tradition” to ask their local priest for the Mass who “should willingly accede to their requests.” The decree stated that the older form of the Mass was “never abrogated” and that both the Extraordinary and Ordinary Forms were “two expressions” of “one Roman Rite.”
    The Remnant has learned that the first draft put strict limitations on the age of the celebrants and is described as somewhat similar to the indult of Paul VI, which allowed elderly priests to continue offering the Tridentine Mass after the promulgation of the Novus Ordo Missae by Paul VI. It also discussed whether to allow or prohibit the administration of the other sacraments in the Extraordinary Form of the Roman Rite.
    In its present form, communities and diocesan priests who already offer the Mass in the Extraordinary Form may continue to do so, but diocesan clergy who wish to begin offering the Traditional Mass would have to obtain authorization. Whether local bishops or the Holy See will be responsible for granting such permissions is still under discussion.
    The administration of the other sacraments in the Extraordinary Form, i.e. marriage, baptism, confirmation, etc., would be maintained for those who already have permission to celebrate the Traditional Mass.
    The third draft moves the office of recourse for matters pertaining to the Traditional Latin Mass and oversight of priestly societies and religious communities that use the pre-1970 Missal, from the fourth section of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (formerly the pontifical commission Ecclesia Dei) to the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments.
    The first draft initially discussed placing these priestly societies (e.g. Fraternity of St. Peter, Institute of Christ the King, and Institute of the Good Shepherd) and other traditional communities under the Congregation for Institutes of Consecrated Life and Societies of Apostolic Life, two senior Vatican sources confirmed.
    Such a move would be considered potentially more problematic for these communities, in light of the way the congregation has handled contemplative orders in the recent past, namely, through the 2018 Instruction Cor Orans, which requires autonomous female monasteries to belong to a wider federation, and asks novices and professed cloistered contemplative nuns to leave their enclosure for initial and ongoing formation, something alien to cloistered contemplative life.
    Under the current plan, Msgr. García, who has served as head of office in the Congregation for Divine Worship since 2016, has been elevated to the episcopate in order to assume the responsibilities formerly carried out under Ecclesia Dei by its former president, Archbishop Guido Pozzo. A professor at the Pontifical Liturgical Institute at the Pontifical Athenaeum Sant’Anselmo, Msgr. García is not known to share Benedict XVI’s views on the sacred liturgy, one source describing him as “the most anti-Tridentine Mass person ever known.”
    It is not clear yet whether the fourth section of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith will continue to handle doctrinal matters and relations with the Society of St. Pius X.
    Several senior Vatican sources have also confirmed that the first draft document was preceded by an introductory letter from Pope Francis that is said to have been very harsh and acrimonious toward the Tridentine Mass. Jesuit Cardinal Luis Ladaria, Prefect of the CDF, strongly opposed both the first draft and the letter, senior Vatican sources confirmed. The letter has since been revised.
    Concerns over possible curtailments of the Extraordinary Form arose after the CDF sent a letter to the presidents of bishops’ conferences worldwide asking them to distribute a nine-point questionnaireabout Summorum Pontificum. Cardinal Ladaria said the questionnaire was issued because the Pope wanted to be “informed about the current application” of the apostolic letter.
    Approximately thirty percent of the world’s bishops responded to the questionnaire, and more than half of those who responded had a favorable or neutral response, multiple sources confirmed.
    One source familiar with the consultation document said that, although the questions were notably biased against Summorum Pontificum, or formulated in a manner that did not always elicit a clear and specific response, what emerged from the questionnaire is how the Traditional Latin Mass has taken root. It has revealed that even in unexpected places, the old Mass is embraced and loved by young people and families, is bearing fruit in flourishing parishes, priestly and religious vocations, and in greater prayer and devotion among the faithful.
    On May 31, the French traditional website Paix Liturgique, which was among the first to report on the forthcoming document, published an article titled, “The Summorum Pontificum Galaxy Prepares to Resist!”
    Describing Summorum Pontificum as “provisions for peace” that “sought to bring peace to a Church that was sinking deeper and deeper into crisis,” the authors note how “from the very beginning, the traditional movement has been grounded in the action of laymen.”
    Their efforts, it continues, were “a surprising and providential manifestation of the sensus fidelium, of the instinct of the faith among the faithful, which defends tooth and nail the lex orandi’s expression of the doctrines of the Eucharistic Sacrifice, the Real Presence, the hierarchical priesthood, and more generally of the transcendence of the mystery: ‘Do this in memory of Me!’”
    Should Pope Francis decide to restrict Summorum Pontificum by issuing such a document, Paix Liturgique asserts that “this capacity to resist ‘on the ground’… may well come to include powerful demonstrations and actions.
    “Already now,” they add, “in various spots of the globe, they are being given serious consideration.”

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    Author’s Note: To those who love the Traditional Latin Mass, please know that we understand this news may cause distress. Those who wish to write respectfully to the Vatican to express their concerns about potential restrictions to Pope Benedict XVI’s Summorum Pontificum may contact the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith here:
    Email: cdf@cfaith.va
    Postal address:
    Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith
    Palazzo della Congregazione per la Dottrina della Fede
    00120 Città del Vaticano
    Those who wish to write respectfully to the Holy Father, Pope Francis, to express concern about potential restrictions to Pope Benedict XVI’s Summorum Pontificum, may do so at this address:
    Postal address:
    Sua Santità Papa Francesco
    Domus Santa Marta
    00120 Città del Vaticano
    Romans 5:20 "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

    -I retract any and all statements I have made that are incongruent with the True Faith, and apologize for ever having made them-

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    Re: Francis Plans to Constrict Diocesan TLM’s
    « Reply #1 on: June 03, 2021, 11:45:23 AM »
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  • This is PRECISELY why we need to continue doing the classic "Traditional Catholic" thing -- setting up illicit chapels where priests say the Tridentine Mass and offer ALL OTHER sacraments, without asking one iota of permission.

    The old SSPX was part of that "Traditional Catholic" movement -- now it's more like the Indult.

    Imagine the disaster where 99.9% of Catholics depend on the Indult (Summorum Pontificum, or a group like FSSP, Institute of Christ the King, etc.) for their Mass. Now imagine if the SSPX became part of this group -- that 99.9% would be quite believable. Only the Sedevacantists and other independent chapels would be outside this group.

    Now imagine that Francis or another "destroyer" Conciliar pope decided to "Shut it down!" What would happen to the majority of Trads as approved Latin Mass centers across the country shut their doors?

    All you'd have left would be a few Sede and Independent chapels -- the average distance to the nearest Tridentine Mass would go from 1 hour to about 12 hours. Most Trads would be without Mass and any traditional Sacraments.
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    Re: Francis Plans to Constrict Diocesan TLM’s
    « Reply #2 on: June 03, 2021, 12:03:38 PM »
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  • Several senior Vatican sources have also confirmed that the first draft document was preceded by an introductory letter from Pope Francis that is said to have been very harsh and acrimonious toward the Tridentine Mass.

    No doubt he was ranting about how most Traditional Catholics are "Pelagians" (LOL, he probably meant Jansenists but doesn't even know what those terms are).

    https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2013/07/pope-francis-against-pelagianism-of.html
    :laugh1:

    Apart from his heresies, this makes him an absolute laughingstock.

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    Re: Francis Plans to Constrict Diocesan TLM’s
    « Reply #3 on: June 03, 2021, 12:06:36 PM »
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  • Now imagine that Francis or another "destroyer" Conciliar pope decided to "Shut it down!" What would happen to the majority of Trads as approved Latin Mass centers across the country shut their doors?

    I think that if he shut it down, most of the SSPX priests would break out of the Conciliar Church again ... at least at this time.  But they're working on changing those attitudes.

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    Re: Francis Plans to Constrict Diocesan TLM’s
    « Reply #4 on: June 03, 2021, 12:38:25 PM »
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  • I think that if he shut it down, most of the SSPX priests would break out of the Conciliar Church again ... at least at this time.  But they're working on changing those attitudes.

    I disagree. Just look at the last 7 years.

    Here is where you go wrong in your thinking. You are looking at the big picture, and drew these conclusions. It's an honest mistake. But here is why I think you're wrong:

    It's not "A group of 300 SSPX priests leaving". It's an individual SSPX priest leaving, times 300 instances. There's a huge difference!

    Each "SSPX priest leaving" is in isolation. He has his own influences trying to keep him asleep, his own fears/emotions, etc. There is no perfect communication between them, or hive mind. Each individual would have to seek out and join the Resistance, or set out to start his own little group/chapel as an independent priest. Most SSPX priests -- at least those STILL in the SSPX after all this time -- are too scared to do that. They don't have the inclination or personality for it, or they would be Resistance priests at the present time.

    Think: Fog of war. A lot of things would go differently in war, if everyone had perfect knowledge of the battlefield and the other side's resources, manpower, etc.

    Also Think: The audience has a different, BIG PICTURE grasp of the situation in a movie, compared to the main character(s) who don't have perfect information. Especially information about what the Bad Guy(s) is doing. Have you ever yelled at the TV screen?

    Each would-be departing SSPX priest would have to deal with all the issues would-be Resistance priests have to deal with today: worrying about where they would go, who would pay their health insurance, transportation, lodging, etc. and they would be confused (whether willfully or through no fault of their own) by distractions like Fr. Pfeiffer's cult.

    Just like Our Lord very wisely said in one of His parables: If they won't believe Moses and the prophets, neither will they believe if one rise from the dead. That is the Gospel truth! (literally!) Our Lord DID rise from the dead, and the unfaithful J**s still don't believe in Him.

    Likewise, if an SSPX priest doesn't see a problem with the 101 changes, compromises and contradictions in Sean Johnson's book -- which is not exhaustive BTW -- one could come up with many more examples, if such were desired -- neither will they have a problem with the SSPX saying the Novus Ordo Mass, etc.

    After all, they are OK with Vatican II. Being OK with Vatican II logically leads to the New Mass. It's that simple.
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    Re: Francis Plans to Constrict Diocesan TLM’s
    « Reply #5 on: June 03, 2021, 12:43:40 PM »
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  • If they tried to make the SSPX priests say only the Novus Ordo, a lot of them would leave with most of the laity. Call them neo-SSPX, but they still officially say it is a sin to go to the Novus Ordo if you are aware of the problems with it, and they put out videos where young Fellay-ite priests say they would rather die than say the Novus Ordo. 
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    « Reply #6 on: June 03, 2021, 12:44:05 PM »
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  • And as evidence to prove my point, I present to you: the Catholic Church in 1969. 

    Ideally, with perfect communication, all the priests and Faithful could have stuck together and resisted the New Religion. They could have organized alternate chapels every 60 miles across the whole United States. But they didn't -- they were taken out one-by-one, as by guerrilla warfare. 
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    Re: Francis Plans to Constrict Diocesan TLM’s
    « Reply #7 on: June 03, 2021, 12:46:17 PM »
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  • If they tried to make the SSPX priests say only the Novus Ordo, a lot of them would leave with most of the laity. Call them neo-SSPX, but they still officially say it is a sin to go to the Novus Ordo if you are aware of the problems with it, and they put out videos where young Fellay-ite priests say they would rather die than say the Novus Ordo.

    I don't think they hold the Novus Ordo in revulsion as you and I do. That's projection on our part.

    Take Fr. Brendan Arthur, for example. He was trained in the SSPX seminary for 6 years, under Bishop Williamson, then a couple years after ordinations goes and joins the diocese. He gets to say one Tridentine Mass a month, but the rest of the Masses are all Novus Ordo. I never would have expected this.

    But apparently SSPX priests aren't as allergic to the Novus Ordo as the population of CI -- a.k.a. as they should be.
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    Re: Francis Plans to Constrict Diocesan TLM’s
    « Reply #8 on: June 06, 2021, 09:34:15 PM »
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  • I will cross that bridge when I come to it.

    I think the SSPX would see the business opportunity of leading the other side.

    They would control a lot of money and people by declaring Francis a heretic.  Many, many members of the laity would be looking for that leadership.  And if there one thing the SSPX have always been competent at it is aquiring wealth and assets.

    The financially rewarding path would be disobedience or "schism" or whatever term you want to give non compliance. 

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    Re: Francis Plans to Constrict Diocesan TLM’s
    « Reply #9 on: June 06, 2021, 10:14:45 PM »
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  • I don't think they hold the Novus Ordo in revulsion as you and I do. That's projection on our part.

    Take Fr. Brendan Arthur, for example. He was trained in the SSPX seminary for 6 years, under Bishop Williamson, then a couple years after ordinations goes and joins the diocese. He gets to say one Tridentine Mass a month, but the rest of the Masses are all Novus Ordo. I never would have expected this.

    But apparently SSPX priests aren't as allergic to the Novus Ordo as the population of CI -- a.k.a. as they should be.
    Idk, for a several months 2019-2020 I was attending the Noviate Chapel in Winona.  Fr. Ward and the other priests there were emphatic that you should always avoid the Novus Ordo


     

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