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Offline Meg

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Re: Bishop Williamson at Fatima
« Reply #30 on: November 03, 2017, 10:44:05 AM »
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  • Indeed. In his sermons and Eleison comments he doesn't attack pope Francis like SSPX, or bishop Fellay. I agree with him about bishop Fellay, but I expected more attacks towards Francis. But instead, he defends Putin... It is evidence how far the errors of communism are spreaded...

    I don't see that Bp. Fellay or the SSPX have actually attacked Pope Francis. Not in a real way, anyway, IMO.

    Archbishop Lefebvre did speak out about the errors of JP2, especially the false ecuмenism. Bp. Fellay should denounce Pope Francis, but he doesn't.

    Putin does have a religious sense, but not a Catholic sense, IMO. Bp. Williamson has said in the past that Russia may become an instrument of chastisement in Europe, based on certain prophesies from saints of the past, though I don't recall the details just now.

    Putin is more religious than the average European leader, and he will do whatever it takes to defend his country, even if it means invading other countries. I do recall seeing a lecture by Putin, in which he said that Communism did reflect some values of Christianity. I have to disagree with that. I don't think that Putin has denounced Communism as having spread its errors, and that Communism has been responsible for millions of deaths throughout the world since the Soviet Era.

    Anyway, no traditionalist has really confronted Francis like they should. Only some of the Novus Ordo/Indult types in the Conciliar Church have actually confronted him, and even then it's only by writing letters. There needs to be a more concerted effort to confront Francis directly. But no one, it seems,  is brave enough to do so.

    I think that Archbishop Lefebvre held back the full tide of Modernism, though he wasn't able to stop its advance, of course. What would St. Athanasius do?
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    Re: Bishop Williamson at Fatima
    « Reply #31 on: November 03, 2017, 11:56:42 AM »
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  • The Resistance bishops have their R&R position, which does not allow them the freedom to say what they really believe in their hearts.
    Who are you to know "what they really believe in their hearts", o holy omniscient being? 
    What an idiotic comment!
    Many of you sedevacantists seem to really think that you know what's going on in everyone's head. Ridiculous.
    +Truth and Justice for all+
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    Re: Bishop Williamson at Fatima
    « Reply #32 on: November 03, 2017, 03:45:59 PM »
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    The SSPX has always been ineffective against the Revolution, and this new branch is shaping up to be more of the same.

    It's difficult to argue that you're wrong.  If the sspx has had any real impact upon reversing the post-conciliar "Revolution," I for one fail to see it.  Fellay & Co. may argue that the "extraordinary" mass and the so-called "lifting" of the excommunications has at least interrupted the onslaught of V2 modernism.  I feel, however, that facts on the ground belie any such claim.  It's Lefebvrism and most of the independent traditional offshoots, which have basically fallen short, IMO.  New Church, headed by one of history's worst popes, seems to be carrying out its agenda, without too much significant push back. 

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    Re: Bishop Williamson at Fatima
    « Reply #33 on: November 03, 2017, 04:23:55 PM »
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  • It's difficult to argue that you're wrong.  If the sspx has had any real impact upon reversing the post-conciliar "Revolution," I for one fail to see it.  Fellay & Co. may argue that the "extraordinary" mass and the so-called "lifting" of the excommunications has at least interrupted the onslaught of V2 modernism.  I feel, however, that facts on the ground belie any such claim.  It's Lefebvrism and most of the independent traditional offshoots, which have basically fallen short, IMO.  New Church, headed by one of history's worst popes, seems to be carrying out its agenda, without too much significant push back.
    I pretty much agree with you, but the lifting of the excomunications and the declaration recognizing the "mass" did not really affect the bulk of Tradition. It was more of an internal non-victory for SSPXism.
    The Revolution has not been seriously impeded at all by the neo-Traditionalists.
    Both of the SSPX groups are constrained by their own theology from saying or doing anything beyond a low level of indirect criticism.  Here they are at Fatima which has become a worldwide center for ecuмenism and the wickedness of conciliarism, things which deserve the heartiest of condemnation, but a smiling photo-op is the best that they have to offer. Meanwhile layfolk in Belgium are confronting the heretics and their love fest with the Lutheran heretics, quoting Catholic doctrine and with the Rosary, and thier bodies, and being carried away for doing so.
    Even some Novus Ordoites are shaming the Traditional movement and its clergy.
    One might think that the sad state of the Church in Portugal might at least prod a passing comment when standing upon the desecrated ground where blasphemy roams free.
    I have said it many times over, the Church desparately needs a true counter-revolutionary movement. Pray to God that he will raise a pious soul who will begin it. Quoting the Psalm, "it is time to do, O Lord."

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    Re: Bishop Williamson at Fatima
    « Reply #34 on: November 03, 2017, 06:02:34 PM »
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  • I don't see that Bp. Fellay or the SSPX have actually attacked Pope Francis. Not in a real way, anyway, IMO.

    I think that Archbishop Lefebvre held back the full tide of Modernism, though he wasn't able to stop its advance, of course. What would St. Athanasius do?
    Bp. Williamson also didn't attacked pope Francis in a real way. I'm still waiting for this to happen. 
    We need both ( Archbishop Lefebvre and St. Athanasius) to help us in today's greatest crisis in the Church.


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    Re: Bishop Williamson at Fatima
    « Reply #35 on: November 03, 2017, 06:04:26 PM »
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  • A minor point, but why are the bishops wearing black cassocks for the Mass? Also, I thought traditionalist bishops refrained from wearing the mozetta because they lack jurisdiction and the garment was restricted to bishops with jurisdiction before VC II.  Is this incorrect?
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir

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    Re: Bishop Williamson at Fatima
    « Reply #36 on: November 04, 2017, 12:49:03 AM »
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    I have said it many times over, the Church desperately needs a true counter-revolutionary movement. Pray to God that he will raise a pious soul who will begin it. Quoting the Psalm, "it is time to do, O Lord."

    You say the Church needs a "counter-revolutionary movement."  Maybe.  But Our Lady said nothing about a counter-revolution to Sr. Lucy.  If in 1957, 60 years ago, Fr. Augustin Fuentes reflected Our Lady's words correctly, then we must believe that just "two last remedies" remain for the faithful.  These are the Holy Rosary, and devotion to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.  There are no other remedies, She solemnly warns.
    It was the Rosary,remember, which was responsible for the defeat of the Muslims by the outnumbered Christian army at the Battle of Lepanto. It was the Rosary which delivered Austria from Soviet Communism immediately after WWII. 
    Before he became pope John Paul I, Albino Luciano, Cardinal of Venice, paid a visit to Sr. Lucy at Coimbra.  She must have revealed the 3rd Secret to him, because he came away shaken, exclaiming, "it's terrible!"  Though he was probably somewhat of a liberal in the mold of Roncalli prior to his visit, he began thereafter to urge the recitation of the Rosary, in order, he said, to "avert apostasy."   Had this pope lived, he might have done the consecration of Russia.  But JPI survived in office only 33 days.
    So, I believe, Bp Williamson is well justified in exhorting us continually to say the Rosary, (preferably 15 decades daily).  The bishop, I think, knows whereof and whatof he speaks.

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    Re: Bishop Williamson at Fatima
    « Reply #37 on: November 04, 2017, 10:47:27 AM »
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  • Without prejudice to Fatima or its message, I do not believe that any apparition relieves us individually or collectively from our resposibilities in matters of defending and propagating the Faith of Christ.  We were not incarnated into corporal bodies to do nothing but wait for the Heavenly realm to solve all of our problems. Christ came into the world as a man in a human body because it was necessary to accomplish His will.

    But more on point, the corruption of the Church and the Faith rests almost exclusively with the hierarchy.
    It came by every Bishop that affixed his signature to the docuмents of Vatican II, and every priest who went against the Church by accepting the new  non-Catholic religion which came from it.

    It is therefore most heavily the responsibility of the hierarchy to battle the corruption and to see that order and orthodoxy are restored to the Church by whatever means is available to them, as it is with them that the power and authority of the Church is bestowed that they might correct the fault of those who are among them.
    In this, the hierarchy has utterly failed and abdicated its holy responsibilities. I gave an excellent example of Catholics in Belgium doing what the hierarchy should be doing to battle this scoundrel in the Vatican.
    It is shameful and a commentary upon the effeminate and flacid responses of our clerics to the ongoing pillaging of the Church and the corruption of uncounted souls.

    As I said, we are on our own with only God to help us as His lieutenants are on a self imposed strike.

         


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    Re: Bishop Williamson at Fatima
    « Reply #38 on: November 05, 2017, 07:28:50 AM »
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  • Sean Johnson, you made comments earlier on in this discussion and other articles on your website which could have been lifted from a pfeifferite site. You have their same bitter misdirected zeal. Are you moving in their direction in your opinions?

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    Re: Bishop Williamson at Fatima
    « Reply #39 on: November 05, 2017, 07:46:29 AM »
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  • Sean Johnson, you made comments earlier on in this discussion and other articles on your website which could have been lifted from a pfeifferite site. You have their same bitter misdirected zeal. Are you moving in their direction in your opinions?

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    Cebu,
    Maybe it would be better if you could actually demonstrate how Sean's zeal is "bitter and misdirected" instead of just lobbing a rotten "cyber-tomato" at him, yes?

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    Re: Bishop Williamson at Fatima
    « Reply #40 on: November 05, 2017, 09:20:29 AM »
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  • Sean Johnson, you made comments earlier on in this discussion and other articles on your website which could have been lifted from a pfeifferite site. You have their same bitter misdirected zeal. Are you moving in their direction in your opinions?

    C.
    Mr. Johnson's comments were a rational and accurate observation. But, such objective critiques will always be taken in the wrong spirit, and mischaracterized by the sectarian partisans. It is the nature of narrow human loyalties.


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    Re: Bishop Williamson at Fatima
    « Reply #41 on: November 05, 2017, 09:31:05 AM »
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  • Mr. Johnson's comments were a rational and accurate observation. But, such objective critiques will always be taken in the wrong spirit, and mischaracterized by the sectarian partisans. It is the nature of narrow human loyalties.

    I agree.

    I have criticized Mr. Johnson before because sometimes he can be over the top. But he is right here.

    There is a simplistic approach being taken by many, including priests, that if you make any criticisms, especially of the bishops, then you must be a Pfeifferite.

    Sorry, but if you can't take the heat, step out of the fire.

    The objective fact of the matter is that the pilgrimage was not advertised publically anywhere on the english  speaking trad internet.


    It is not "bitter" to point this out. There was poor organization and we have to admit it.

    People seem not to be learning, especially after the whole controversy recently over Bishop Z's residence. In the age of the internet, there is very little you can hide, so there is not point trying (for it's own sake)
    "....I am at a loss what to say respecting those who, when they have once erred, consistently persevere in their folly, and defend one vain thing by another" - Church Father Lactentius on the globe earth