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Francis issues joint declaration with the Lutherans
« on: November 01, 2017, 08:59:01 AM »
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    ROMAN MODERNISTS AND LUTHERANS PUBLISH JOINT DECLARATION Link



    The Holy See and the Lutheran World Federation publish a joint statement
    The Holy See today published the "Joint Declaration of the Lutheran World Federation and the Pontifical Council for the Promotion of Christian Unity at the end of October 31, 2017, the year of common commemoration of the Reformation."
    Text of the declaration:
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    On October 31, 2017, the last day of the year of the common ecumenical commemoration of the Reformation, we are very grateful for the spiritual and theological gifts received through the Reformation, a commemoration that we share together and with our ecumenical partners around the world. Likewise, we ask forgiveness for our failures, the ways in which Christians have hurt the Lord's Body and have offended each other during the 500 years since the beginning of the Reformation until today.
    We, Lutherans and Catholics, are deeply grateful for the ecumenical journey we have traveled together over the past 50 years. That pilgrimage, supported by our common prayer, worship and ecumenical dialogue, resulted in the elimination of prejudices, greater mutual understanding and the identification of decisive theological agreements.Faced with so many blessings along the way, we raise our hearts in praise to the Triune God for the mercy received.
    On this day we look back on a year of remarkable ecumenical events that began on October 31, 2016 with the common Lutheran-Roman Catholic prayer in Lund, Sweden, in the presence of our ecumenical partners. During the presidency of that service, Pope Francis and Bishop Munib A. Younan, then president of the Lutheran World Federation, signed a joint declaration that includes the commitment to continue traveling together the ecumenical journey towards the unity for which Christ prayed ( see John 17.21). That same day, our joint service to those who need our help and solidarity was also strengthened by a declaration of intent between Caritas Internationalis and the Lutheran World Federation - World Service.
    Pope Francis and President Younan declared together: "Many members of our communities long to receive the Eucharist at a table as a concrete expression of full unity. We feel the pain of those who share their whole lives, but they can not share the redemptive presence of God at the table of the Eucharist. We recognize our joint pastoral responsibility to respond to the spiritual hunger and thirst of our people to be one in Christ. We long for this wound in the Body of Christ to be healed. This is the purpose of our ecumenical efforts, which we hope will also progress through the renewal of our commitment to theological dialogue. "
    The blessings of this year of remembrance include the fact that for the first time, Lutherans and Catholics have considered the Reformation from an ecumenical perspective, which gave rise to a new approach to the events of the sixteenth century that led to our separation. We recognize that while the past can not be changed, its influence on us today can be transformed to be a stimulus to the growth of communion and a sign of hope for the world to overcome division and fragmentation. Once again, it became clear that what we have in common is much more than what divides us.
    We are pleased that the Joint Declaration on the Doctrine of Justification, signed at a solemn ceremony by the Lutheran World Federation and the Roman Catholic Church in 1999, was also signed in 2006 by the World Methodist Council and the World Communion of Reformed Churches in this year of commemoration. In addition, today it will be welcomed and received by the Anglican Communion in a solemn ceremony at the Abbey of Westminster. On this basis our Christian communions can build a closer bond of spiritual consensus and common witness in the service of the gospel.
    We gratefully acknowledge the numerous common prayer and worship events that Lutherans and Catholics celebrated together with their ecumenical partners in different parts of the world, the theological encounters and the significant publications that gave substance to this year of commemoration.
    Looking to the future, we commit ourselves to follow our common path, guided by the Spirit of God, towards greater unity according to the will of our Lord Jesus Christ.With the help of God, we intend to discern through prayer our understanding of the Church, the Eucharist and the Ministry, seeking a substantial consensus that will allow us to overcome the remaining differences that exist between us. With deep joy and gratitude, we trust "that he who began in [us] the good work will perfect it until the day of Jesus Christ" (Philippians 1.6)

    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Francis issues joint declaration with the Lutherans
    « Reply #1 on: November 01, 2017, 09:03:18 AM »
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  • I'm really let down.  I expected more!  I think the Modernists might be getting too old and they're losing their flair for the heretical "shock and awe".


    Offline DZ PLEASE

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    Re: Francis issues joint declaration with the Lutherans
    « Reply #2 on: November 01, 2017, 09:38:22 AM »
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  • While the update is appreciated, and does serve a good end, it's hardly news.

    He's a heretic, and his "Catholicity" ranks right "up there" with his father, the Devil.
    "Lord, have mercy".

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    Re: Francis issues joint declaration with the Lutherans
    « Reply #3 on: November 02, 2017, 08:07:14 PM »
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  • While the update is appreciated, and does serve a good end, it's hardly news.

    He's a heretic, and his "Catholicity" ranks right "up there" with his father, the Devil.
    Indeed! Here we have heretics on both sides of the fence commemorating each other in heresy. How much will it take for men to see what is before their eyes?

    Offline DZ PLEASE

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    Re: Francis issues joint declaration with the Lutherans
    « Reply #4 on: November 02, 2017, 08:22:52 PM »
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  • Indeed! Here we have heretics on both sides of the fence commemorating each other in heresy. How much will it take for men to see what is before their eyes?
    Forsaking whatever it is that turning a blind eye "permits" them to do, firstly to ignore the debt of their birth.

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    And Rakitin doesn't like God, oof, how he doesn't! That's the sore spot in all of them! But they conceal it. They lie. They pretend. 'What, are you going to push for that in the department of criticism?' I asked. 'Well, they won't let me do it openly,' he said, and laughed. 'But,' I asked, 'how will man be after that? Without God and the future life? It means everything is permitted now, one can do anything?' 'Didn't you know?' he said. And he laughed. 'Everything is permitted to the intelligent man,' he said. 'The intelligent man knows how to catch crayfish, but you killed and fouled it up,' he said, 'and now you're rotting in prison!' He said that to me. A natural-born swine! I once used to throw the likes of him out—well, and now I listen to them.

    f/ "The Brothers Karamazov" by F. Dostoevsky, p. 589 of the 1990 Pevear-Volokhonsky translation
    "I once used to throw the likes of him out—well, and now I listen to them."

    God, forbid it.

    "There, but by the grace..." ... we may also be.
    "Lord, have mercy".


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    Re: Francis issues joint declaration with the Lutherans
    « Reply #5 on: November 03, 2017, 12:28:34 AM »
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  • "On October 31, 2017, the last day of the year of the common ecumenical commemoration of the Reformation, we are very grateful for the spiritual and theological gifts received through the Reformation,..."
    And just what would these theological gifts be?  HERESY?,  Ah yes, what a blessing that is... :heretic:

    I read somewhere that the Vatican has issued a commemorative stamp for the hero of the revolt, Martin Luther. :heretic:

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    Re: Francis issues joint declaration with the Lutherans
    « Reply #6 on: November 03, 2017, 02:51:20 AM »
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  • "On October 31, 2017, the last day of the year of the common ecumenical commemoration of the Reformation, we are very grateful for the spiritual and theological gifts received through the Reformation,..."
    And just what would these theological gifts be?  HERESY?,  Ah yes, what a blessing that is... :heretic:

    I read somewhere that the Vatican has issued a commemorative stamp for the hero of the revolt, Martin Luther. :heretic:
    https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/vatican-issues-blaphemous-lutheran-stamp/
    "Lord, have mercy".

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    Re: Francis issues joint declaration with the Lutherans
    « Reply #7 on: November 03, 2017, 09:03:35 AM »
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  • Stamp shows Martin Luther and his heretical compadre at the foot of the Cross instead of Our Lady, Mary Magdalene and St John.
    Unbelievable blasphemy. Rewriting Gospel and Salvation History. 
    When is the Obama "christ" stamp coming out?


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    Re: Francis issues joint declaration with the Lutherans
    « Reply #8 on: November 03, 2017, 01:39:31 PM »
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  • Bergoglio is as much a product of the Reformation as Luther and both are enemies of the Church. There must be no excuses granted to the former because he plays pope as Luther did in his own way. The ending of the current lengthy Roman interregnum will depend on enough Catholics waking up to reality

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    Re: Francis issues joint declaration with the Lutherans
    « Reply #9 on: November 03, 2017, 09:01:23 PM »
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  • If I recall correctly, a Catholic Saint was quoted Luther as saying Luther died in a brothel, with his head at the commode.

    Does anyone know the source on this ?

    It's a pathetic story the Lutherans don't want you to know.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Francis issues joint declaration with the Lutherans
    « Reply #10 on: November 03, 2017, 09:16:21 PM »
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  • It's a pathetic story the Lutherans don't want you to know.
    Unless it's true and should be known, then who would want it to be known and why?
    "Lord, have mercy".


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    Re: Francis issues joint declaration with the Lutherans
    « Reply #11 on: November 03, 2017, 11:16:02 PM »
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  • Bergoglio is as much a product of the Reformation as Luther and both are enemies of the Church. 
    Except that Luther was a priest.

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    Re: Francis issues joint declaration with the Lutherans
    « Reply #12 on: November 03, 2017, 11:23:07 PM »
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  • If I recall correctly, a Catholic Saint was quoted Luther as saying Luther died in a brothel, with his head at the commode.

    Does anyone know the source on this ?

    It's a pathetic story the Lutherans don't want you to know.
    I have the book The Facts About Luther by Fr. O'Hare.  I'll dig it out tomorrow and look it up.

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    Re: Francis issues joint declaration with the Lutherans
    « Reply #13 on: November 03, 2017, 11:46:55 PM »
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  • I have the book The Facts About Luther by Fr. O'Hare.  I'll dig it out tomorrow and look it up.
    Just found the book, limited ToC and no index so I cannot look up the facts surrounding his death.  I did a quick check on the internet and there are dozens of citations about how he died (with a prostitute/brothel, suicide, body disappears, stench of sulphur left behind).  But I suspect he went out with a whimper, not a bang.  Dying from a stroke seems to be the odds on favorite.
    I did find an interesting quote from his "wife" berating him for becoming a rude, obnoxious man in his "old" age. How very Christian of him :fryingpan:
    Not that it matters now, we can be pretty certain where he currently resides regardless of the means of his demise.

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    Re: Francis issues joint declaration with the Lutherans
    « Reply #14 on: November 04, 2017, 01:29:14 AM »
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  • Except that Luther was a priest.
    Ooh, "ouch!"
    "Lord, have mercy".

     

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