Author Topic: Francis grants Absolution powers to SSPX Priests for Year of Mercy (Read 27537 times)

Matthew · « **Reply #15 on:** September 01, 2015, 09:21:23 AM »

Sure seems like we might be seeing a deal in the near future.

Anyone paying ANY KIND OF attention to the SSPX/Rome situation should know that the effort (for a reconciliation/practical deal) isn't dead. Not by a long shot.

JPM · « **Reply #16 on:** September 01, 2015, 09:58:59 AM »

Quote from: Matthew

Sure seems like we might be seeing a deal in the near future.

Anyone paying ANY KIND OF attention to the SSPX/Rome situation should know that the effort (for a reconciliation/practical deal) isn't dead. Not by a long shot.

"I trust that in the near future solutions may be found to recover full communion with the priests and superiors of the Fraternity."

It's going to happen. If I had to bet I would wager regularization would materialize much like this-- that the SSPX is simply accepted, in the words of Bishop Schneider, "as they are" without preconditions.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #17 on:** September 01, 2015, 10:43:30 AM »

Quote from: JPM

Quote from: Matthew
Sure seems like we might be seeing a deal in the near future.

Anyone paying ANY KIND OF attention to the SSPX/Rome situation should know that the effort (for a reconciliation/practical deal) isn't dead. Not by a long shot.

"I trust that in the near future solutions may be found to recover full communion with the priests and superiors of the Fraternity."

It's going to happen. If I had to bet I would wager regularization would materialize much like this-- that the SSPX is simply accepted, in the words of Bishop Schneider, "as they are" without preconditions.

I think that there will be a high-level token preamble that any Catholic could sign.

JPM · « **Reply #18 on:** September 01, 2015, 11:20:44 AM »

Quote from: Ladislaus

Quote from: JPM
Quote from: Matthew
Sure seems like we might be seeing a deal in the near future.

Anyone paying ANY KIND OF attention to the SSPX/Rome situation should know that the effort (for a reconciliation/practical deal) isn't dead. Not by a long shot.

"I trust that in the near future solutions may be found to recover full communion with the priests and superiors of the Fraternity."

It's going to happen. If I had to bet I would wager regularization would materialize much like this-- that the SSPX is simply accepted, in the words of Bishop Schneider, "as they are" without preconditions.

I think that there will be a high-level token preamble that any Catholic could sign.

Agreed. "As we are" as in "We are Catholic". What happens then? Who knows.

TKGS · « **Reply #19 on:** September 01, 2015, 11:29:26 AM »

Quote from: Matthew

Sure seems like we might be seeing a deal in the near future.

Anyone paying ANY KIND OF attention to the SSPX/Rome situation should know that the effort (for a reconciliation/practical deal) isn't dead. Not by a long shot.

A full reconciliation granted during the "Year of Mercy" as an "act of mercy", no doubt?

Graham · « **Reply #20 on:** September 01, 2015, 11:45:47 AM »

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The Society of St. Pius X learned, through the press, of the provisions taken by Pope Francis on the occasion of the upcoming Holy Year. In the last paragraph of his letter addressed September 1, 2015, to Archbishop Rino Fisichella, president of the Pontifical Council for the Promotion of the New Evangelization, the Holy Father writes:

«I establish that those who during the Holy Year of Mercy approach these priests of the Society of St Pius X to celebrate the Sacrament of Reconciliation shall validly and licitly receive the absolution of their sins.»

The Society of St. Pius X expresses its gratitude to the Sovereign Pontiff for this fatherly gesture. In the ministry of the sacrament of penance, we have always relied, with all certainty, on the extrdaordinary jurisdiction conferred by the Normae generales of the Code of Canon Law. On the occasion of this Holy Year, Pope Francis wants all the faithful who wish to confess to the priests of the Society of St. Pius X to be able to do so without being worried.

During this year of conversion, the priests of the Society of St. Pius X will have at heart to exercise with renewed generosity their ministry in the confessional, following the example of tireless dedication which the holy Curé of Ars gave to all priests.

Menzingen,
September 1, 2015

http://www.dici.org/en/news/communique-of-the-general-house-of-the-society-of-st-pius-x-on-the-letter-of-pope-francis-at-the-approach-of-the-holy-year-september-1-2015/

richard · « **Reply #21 on:** September 01, 2015, 12:15:36 PM »

Quote from: Graham

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The Society of St. Pius X learned, through the press, of the provisions taken by Pope Francis on the occasion of the upcoming Holy Year. In the last paragraph of his letter addressed September 1, 2015, to Archbishop Rino Fisichella, president of the Pontifical Council for the Promotion of the New Evangelization, the Holy Father writes:

«I establish that those who during the Holy Year of Mercy approach these priests of the Society of St Pius X to celebrate the Sacrament of Reconciliation shall validly and licitly receive the absolution of their sins.»

The Society of St. Pius X expresses its gratitude to the Sovereign Pontiff for this fatherly gesture. In the ministry of the sacrament of penance, we have always relied, with all certainty, on the extrdaordinary jurisdiction conferred by the Normae generales of the Code of Canon Law. On the occasion of this Holy Year, Pope Francis wants all the faithful who wish to confess to the priests of the Society of St. Pius X to be able to do so without being worried.

During this year of conversion, the priests of the Society of St. Pius X will have at heart to exercise with renewed generosity their ministry in the confessional, following the example of tireless dedication which the holy Curé of Ars gave to all priests.

Menzingen,
September 1, 2015

http://www.dici.org/en/news/communique-of-the-general-house-of-the-society-of-st-pius-x-on-the-letter-of-pope-francis-at-the-approach-of-the-holy-year-september-1-2015/

Learned through the press my eye! We now Know what the 'secret" meeting was about.

covet truth · « **Reply #22 on:** September 01, 2015, 12:21:31 PM »

I am reminded of this psalm in the Offertory of the Mass:

"Take not away my soul, O God, with the wicked, nor my life with men of blood.
In whose hands are iniquities; their right hand is filled with gifts."

JPM · « **Reply #23 on:** September 01, 2015, 12:24:56 PM »

Quote from: richard

Learned through the press my eye! We now Know what the 'secret" meeting was about.

I completely believe it came as a surprise as evidenced by the below being posted as part of a news story this morning on the SSPX.org site.

"So while those who remain faithful to the Church’s immutable teachings on matrimony and the family—let alone the natural and social order—are devoid of the pope’s public support, those who speak of an impossible “other way” receive his papal honors and blessings."

I suspect if they knew of the impending pope's "public support" for SSPX hearing confessions, then the SSPX would have held off on the article taking the Pope to task.

That is why I wrote earlier that my guess is the Pope, as Bishop Schneider suggested, will accept the SSPX "as they are" with no preconditions. It's just as likely that the Pope has already decided to do that.

covet truth · « **Reply #24 on:** September 01, 2015, 12:34:54 PM »

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The Society of St. Pius X expresses its gratitude to the Sovereign Pontiff for this fatherly gesture.

How can the SSPX be "grateful" for this "fatherly gesture" when up to Dec. 8th none of their confessions for forty years have been considered "valid" by Rome? I guess the day after the mercy year ends it will be back to "invalid"? What a joke this is and yet they are "grateful". Rome is calling the shots and the SSPX dances to their tune. It's over.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #25 on:** September 01, 2015, 12:50:14 PM »

I really cannot understand the bitterness here against Francis for this. No doubt he is just trying to be kind. I think we need to put aside the ranting and raving already. As far as we know, he's done this as a unilateral gesture with no strings attached.

ihsv · « **Reply #26 on:** September 01, 2015, 12:53:22 PM »

They were grateful for the lifting of the non-excommunications, too.

+Fellay is given "jurisdiction" to discipline certain priests, now they're given faculties to hear confession. I would be surprised if, before the end of the year, an agreement or arrangement has not been publicly announced. If not by the end of the calendar year, than certainly by the end of the "year of mercy".

I have accordistas in my family, and I can tell you they will eat this up for lunch and demand dessert. This is a colossal bone being tossed their way and they, like hungry dogs, will gobble it up with no questions asked.

JPM · « **Reply #27 on:** September 01, 2015, 12:53:40 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus

I really cannot understand the bitterness here against Francis for this. No doubt he is just trying to be kind. I think we need to put aside the ranting and raving already. As far as we know, he's done this as a unilateral gesture with no strings attached.

+1

Matthew · « **Reply #28 on:** September 01, 2015, 12:56:12 PM »

Quote from: ihsv

They were grateful for the lifting of the non-excommunications, too.

+Fellay is given "jurisdiction" to discipline certain priests, now they're given faculties to hear confession. I would be surprised if, before the end of the year, an agreement or arrangement has not been publicly announced. If not by the end of the calendar year, than certainly by the end of the "year of mercy".

I have accordistas in my family, and I can tell you they will eat this up for lunch and demand dessert. This is a colossal bone being tossed their way and they, like hungry dogs, will gobble it up with no questions asked.

Don't forget the SSPX in Argentina being recognized as Catholic by Rome earlier this year.

ihsv · « **Reply #29 on:** September 01, 2015, 12:56:39 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus

I really cannot understand the bitterness here against Francis for this. No doubt he is just trying to be kind. I think we need to put aside the ranting and raving already. As far as we know, he's done this as a unilateral gesture with no strings attached.

It's not about bitterness against Francis for this particular act. The problem is that it's another step toward a practical agreement, toward publicly becoming part of the new religion. It will have the effect of making the average pew-sitting mouth breather in the SSPX be more in favor of "making a deal."