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Francis grants Absolution powers to SSPX Priests for Year of Mercy
« on: September 01, 2015, 06:39:54 AM »
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  • Have at it, folks.  :popcorn:

    "A final consideration concerns those faithful who for various reasons choose to attend churches officiated by priests of the Fraternity of St Pius X. This Jubilee Year of Mercy excludes no one. From various quarters, several Brother Bishops have told me of their good faith and sacramental practice, combined however with an uneasy situation from the pastoral standpoint. I trust that in the near future solutions may be found to recover full communion with the priests and superiors of the Fraternity. In the meantime, motivated by the need to respond to the good of these faithful, through my own disposition, I establish that those who during the Holy Year of Mercy approach these priests of the Fraternity of St Pius X to celebrate the Sacrament of Reconciliation shall validly and licitly receive the absolution of their sins."

    http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2015/09/urgent-pope-francis-grants-absolution.html
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    « Reply #1 on: September 01, 2015, 06:47:34 AM »
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  • SSPX has always been valid and licit because they've always remained Catholic. The Conciliar church is the one who engages in illicit acts such as the novus ordo sacrilege. Heretics can't grant permission to real Catholics.
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    « Reply #2 on: September 01, 2015, 06:51:06 AM »
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  • A cuckoo "granting" permission to a nightingale.  :laugh1:
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    « Reply #3 on: September 01, 2015, 07:07:49 AM »
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  • He "grants" it now and for the "Holy Year of Mercy", which implies that the SSPX priests did not have this power before. By the way, what about the SSPX marriages now, according to the Vatican?

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    Francis grants Absolution powers to SSPX Priests for Year of Mercy
    « Reply #4 on: September 01, 2015, 07:46:27 AM »
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    ... This Jubilee Year of Mercy excludes no one....

    So, he's granting the resistance faculties too!


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    « Reply #5 on: September 01, 2015, 07:53:17 AM »
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  • Do these faculties apply only for the Jubilee year,I mean do they go "poof" after the year is up?

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    « Reply #6 on: September 01, 2015, 07:56:34 AM »
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    He "grants" it now and for the "Holy Year of Mercy", which implies that the SSPX priests did not have this power before. By the way, what about the SSPX marriages now, according to the Vatican?


    Technically, and from their standpoint, the SSPX did not have this power before, since valid Confessions require jurisdiction except in danger of death.  SSPX simply argues that this supplied jurisdiction applies because of the state of emergency, which obviously Francis doesn't believe exists.

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    « Reply #7 on: September 01, 2015, 07:57:36 AM »
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    Do these faculties apply only for the Jubilee year,I mean do they go "poof" after the year is up?


    I suspect that there will be a reconciliation or making this more permanent afterwards.  Way things work in Rome, things granted rarely get rescinded.


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    « Reply #8 on: September 01, 2015, 07:59:10 AM »
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  • As it was easy to predict, the enemies of the SSPX now have additional ammunition to argue that the SSPX priests did not have power to absolve sins up till now:

    Quote from: Fr Zuhlsdorf
    Along with this, the fact of Pope Francis’ move, together with the wording, confirms what I have been saying all along about the priests of the SSPX: they do not and have not had the faculty validly to absolve sins!  The fact that this is being granted for the Year of Mercy bears out what I have been saying.

    http://wdtprs.com/blog/2015/09/pope-francis-for-year-of-mercy-grants-that-sspx-priests-can-validly-absolve/

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    « Reply #9 on: September 01, 2015, 08:01:26 AM »
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    ... This Jubilee Year of Mercy excludes no one....

    So, he's granting the resistance faculties too!


    Hmmm.  Interesting.  One could perhaps read that as implied, though he explicitly only applied it to the SSPX.  So I believe this goes into effect beginning on December 8th, the Feast of the Immaculate Conception.

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    « Reply #10 on: September 01, 2015, 08:02:41 AM »
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    As it was easy to predict, the enemies of the SSPX now have additional ammunition to argue that the SSPX priests did not have power to absolve sins up till now:

    Quote from: Fr Zuhlsdorf
    Along with this, the fact of Pope Francis’ move, together with the wording, confirms what I have been saying all along about the priests of the SSPX: they do not and have not had the faculty validly to absolve sins!  The fact that this is being granted for the Year of Mercy bears out what I have been saying.

    http://wdtprs.com/blog/2015/09/pope-francis-for-year-of-mercy-grants-that-sspx-priests-can-validly-absolve/


    That's just complete idiocy.  Everybody KNOWS that the SSPX never had actual jurisdiction to hear Confessions; he's acting as if this is some vindication of his brilliance (and his ego).  What's under dispute is whether the state of emergency in the Church supplies jurisdiction.


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    « Reply #11 on: September 01, 2015, 08:07:18 AM »
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  • Let's not overlook the fact that Francis hints that a full reconciliation might be imminent.

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    « Reply #12 on: September 01, 2015, 08:28:21 AM »
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  • One might point out to Father Z that Francis referred to the laity who attend SSPX chapels as "the faithful", i.e. as Catholics.

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    « Reply #13 on: September 01, 2015, 08:29:30 AM »
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    SSPX has always been valid and licit because they've always remained Catholic.


    That principle isn't correct.  Even before Vatican II it wasn't enough to be "Catholic" in order to have jurisdiction to forgive sins.

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    « Reply #14 on: September 01, 2015, 09:17:06 AM »
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  • This is absurd and grossly insulting. I expect the SSPX response, should they decide to make one, will be a lukewarm defense of the state of necessity and the validity and liceity of their confessions, coupled with an admonition that we must be grateful for this anyway and the supposedly good intentions it shows. But I won't be grateful for falsehoods and insults from arrogant modernists.

     

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