Author Topic: Francis grants Absolution powers to SSPX Priests for Year of Mercy (Read 27553 times)

Matthew · « **Reply #30 on:** September 01, 2015, 12:56:58 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus

I really cannot understand the bitterness here against Francis for this. No doubt he is just trying to be kind. I think we need to put aside the ranting and raving already. As far as we know, he's done this as a unilateral gesture with no strings attached.

You have got to be joking.

I assume this was sarcastic or tongue-in-cheek...

What are we supposed to do, forget all the anti-Catholic things and wanton destruction Francis has done in a short span of 2 years, and just assume the best?

As Catholics, we are not expected to play the fool or be naive. It's obvious what side "there is no Catholic God" Francis is on.

2Vermont · « **Reply #31 on:** September 01, 2015, 12:59:46 PM »

Quote from: covet truth

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The Society of St. Pius X expresses its gratitude to the Sovereign Pontiff for this fatherly gesture.

How can the SSPX be "grateful" for this "fatherly gesture" when up to Dec. 8th none of their confessions for forty years have been considered "valid" by Rome? I guess the day after the mercy year ends it will be back to "invalid"? What a joke this is and yet they are "grateful". Rome is calling the shots and the SSPX dances to their tune. It's over.

I completely agree.

2Vermont · « **Reply #32 on:** September 01, 2015, 01:02:32 PM »

Quote from: Matthew

Quote from: Ladislaus
I really cannot understand the bitterness here against Francis for this. No doubt he is just trying to be kind. I think we need to put aside the ranting and raving already. As far as we know, he's done this as a unilateral gesture with no strings attached.

You have got to be joking.

I assume this was sarcastic or tongue-in-cheek...

What are we supposed to do, forget all the anti-Catholic things and wanton destruction Francis has done in a short span of 2 years, and just assume the best?

As Catholics, we are not expected to play the fool or be naive. It's obvious what side "there is no Catholic God" Francis is on.

I'm hoping it was sarcastic as well. Soon the SSPX will be welcomed into indult-hood.

covet truth · « **Reply #33 on:** September 01, 2015, 01:03:23 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus

I really cannot understand the bitterness here against Francis for this. No doubt he is just trying to be kind. I think we need to put aside the ranting and raving already. As far as we know, he's done this as a unilateral gesture with no strings attached.

Uh huh, just as he is "kind" to practicing ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs, lesbians, alternative "families", divorced and remarried Catholics who want to still receive the Eucharist, and all other ecuмenical gestures to protestants without their conversion. There is just no end to his "kindness". Do we confess Our Lord Jesus Christ and his commandments or do we not?

JPM · « **Reply #34 on:** September 01, 2015, 01:10:23 PM »

Quote from: Matthew

Quote from: Ladislaus
I really cannot understand the bitterness here against Francis for this. No doubt he is just trying to be kind. I think we need to put aside the ranting and raving already. As far as we know, he's done this as a unilateral gesture with no strings attached.

What are we supposed to do, forget all the anti-Catholic things and wanton destruction Francis has done in a short span of 2 years, and just assume the best?

Well, yes, sort of. St. Thomas Aquinas: "Don't concentrate on the person of the speaker, but treasure up in your mind anything profitable he may happen to say."

The Pope did a solid. And, tomorrow there might be something which merits criticism.

ihsv · « **Reply #35 on:** September 01, 2015, 01:12:00 PM »

This is the heart of the problem.

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"I trust that in the near future solutions may be found to recover full communion with the priests and superiors of the Fraternity"

It's called a BRIBE. "Because I'm so kind, I'll give you this, and I trust that you'll..."

stgobnait · « **Reply #36 on:** September 01, 2015, 01:19:59 PM »

Why didn't Menz tell the Sovereign Pontiff what they told me twenty years ago, 'we have supplied jurisdiction; whilest at the same time thanking him for the thought, but assure him its not necessary...

2Vermont · « **Reply #37 on:** September 01, 2015, 01:22:09 PM »

Quote from: stgobnait

Why didn't Menz tell the Sovereign Pontiff what they told me twenty years ago, 'we have supplied jurisdiction; whilest at the same time thanking him for the thought, but assure him its not necessary...

Because that might ruin some chances down the road.....

Ladislaus · « **Reply #38 on:** September 01, 2015, 01:27:30 PM »

Quote from: Matthew

Quote from: Ladislaus
I really cannot understand the bitterness here against Francis for this. No doubt he is just trying to be kind. I think we need to put aside the ranting and raving already. As far as we know, he's done this as a unilateral gesture with no strings attached.

You have got to be joking.

I assume this was sarcastic or tongue-in-cheek...

What are we supposed to do, forget all the anti-Catholic things and wanton destruction Francis has done in a short span of 2 years, and just assume the best?

As Catholics, we are not expected to play the fool or be naive. It's obvious what side "there is no Catholic God" Francis is on.

No, I'm dead serious. Sure we could suspect that there might be an ulterior motive, that some deal has been struck in the smoke-filled back rooms, with the SSPX. Other than that, this sounds a lot like that proposition condemned by the Church that all actions outside the Church are bad and sinful. You make it sound like Francis is just pure evil and the devil incarnate and cannot be well-intentioned. I like the tone of the DICI response; it expresses gratitude while at the same time respectfully upholding the SSPX contention that they have operated under supplied jurisdiction all these years.

One can be firm and principled without being bitter and angry.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #39 on:** September 01, 2015, 01:30:54 PM »

Quote from: DICI

The Society of St. Pius X learned, through the press, of the provisions taken by Pope Francis on the occasion of the upcoming Holy Year. In the last paragraph of his letter addressed September 1, 2015, to Archbishop Rino Fisichella, president of the Pontifical Council for the Promotion of the New Evangelization, the Holy Father writes:

«I establish that those who during the Holy Year of Mercy approach these priests of the Society of St Pius X to celebrate the Sacrament of Reconciliation shall validly and licitly receive the absolution of their sins.»

The Society of St. Pius X expresses its gratitude to the Sovereign Pontiff for this fatherly gesture. In the ministry of the sacrament of penance, we have always relied, with all certainty, on the extrdaordinary jurisdiction conferred by the Normae generales of the Code of Canon Law. On the occasion of this Holy Year, Pope Francis wants all the faithful who wish to confess to the priests of the Society of St. Pius X to be able to do so without being worried.

During this year of conversion, the priests of the Society of St. Pius X will have at heart to exercise with renewed generosity their ministry in the confessional, following the example of tireless dedication which the holy Curé of Ars gave to all priests.

Menzingen,
September 1, 2015

I think that this is a great response.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #40 on:** September 01, 2015, 01:34:47 PM »

Quote from: stgobnait

Why didn't Menz tell the Sovereign Pontiff what they told me twenty years ago, 'we have supplied jurisdiction; whilest at the same time thanking him for the thought, but assure him its not necessary...

Did you even READ the response? That's precisely what they did.

Matthew · « **Reply #41 on:** September 01, 2015, 01:44:55 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus

Quote from: Matthew
Quote from: Ladislaus
I really cannot understand the bitterness here against Francis for this. No doubt he is just trying to be kind. I think we need to put aside the ranting and raving already. As far as we know, he's done this as a unilateral gesture with no strings attached.

You have got to be joking.

I assume this was sarcastic or tongue-in-cheek...

What are we supposed to do, forget all the anti-Catholic things and wanton destruction Francis has done in a short span of 2 years, and just assume the best?

As Catholics, we are not expected to play the fool or be naive. It's obvious what side "there is no Catholic God" Francis is on.

No, I'm dead serious. Sure we could suspect that there might be an ulterior motive, that some deal has been struck in the smoke-filled back rooms, with the SSPX. Other than that, this sounds a lot like that proposition condemned by the Church that all actions outside the Church are bad and sinful. You make it sound like Francis is just pure evil and the devil incarnate and cannot be well-intentioned. I like the tone of the DICI response; it expresses gratitude while at the same time respectfully upholding the SSPX contention that they have operated under supplied jurisdiction all these years.

One can be firm and principled without being bitter and angry.

How about just being calm and realistic?

If Monsanto offers to give me free seeds, I'm going to assume they're doctored, calculated to benefit the Monsanto corporation in some way, and are not for the good of humanity, since Monsanto (to date) has done nothing for the good of humanity.

It's not bitter, angry, or any kind of emotion -- it's just logic and common sense.

As Catholics, we're not expected to be stupid. At least I hope we're not, because I refuse to be.

stgobnait · « **Reply #42 on:** September 01, 2015, 01:52:48 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus

Quote from: DICI
The Society of St. Pius X learned, through the press, of the provisions taken by Pope Francis on the occasion of the upcoming Holy Year. In the last paragraph of his letter addressed September 1, 2015, to Archbishop Rino Fisichella, president of the Pontifical Council for the Promotion of the New Evangelization, the Holy Father writes:

«I establish that those who during the Holy Year of Mercy approach these priests of the Society of St Pius X to celebrate the Sacrament of Reconciliation shall validly and licitly receive the absolution of their sins.»

The Society of St. Pius X expresses its gratitude to the Sovereign Pontiff for this fatherly gesture. In the ministry of the sacrament of penance, we have always relied, with all certainty, on the extrdaordinary jurisdiction conferred by the Normae generales of the Code of Canon Law. On the occasion of this Holy Year, Pope Francis wants all the faithful who wish to confess to the priests of the Society of St. Pius X to be able to do so without being worried.

During this year of conversion, the priests of the Society of St. Pius X will have at heart to exercise with renewed generosity their ministry in the confessional, following the example of tireless dedication which the holy Curé of Ars gave to all priests.

Menzingen,
September 1, 2015

I think that this is a great response.

Good for you.

Croixalist · « **Reply #43 on:** September 01, 2015, 02:03:25 PM »

The optimist in me wants to say, "Wow, another breakthrough for the TLM!"

The pessimist (realist?) in me wants to say, "Hey look, they're reeling in the society for the final push to force the New Mass and the Latin Mass to be celebrated as equals... and later seeing TLM barred from the chapels with the NO in its place..."

Another thing that disturbs me is that the Society was not told ahead of the announcement. Of course, they could always be masking their knowledge of it anyway.

On one hand we could be witnessing a powerful moment of grace sent from Heaven while on the other hand this could be a stratagem straight from Hell. Perhaps the Devil's plans will work against him in the long run, who knows? All we have right now is the Mass of all time while we wait for the eclipse to pass us over.

MaterDominici · « **Reply #44 on:** September 01, 2015, 02:05:18 PM »

This is a quote from a USA Today story about the Pope allowing priests to absolve abortions during the Year of Mercy:

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Thavis said he would not be surprised if the edict stays in effect beyond the Holy Year. "If this is meant to demonstrate the church's mercy, it doesn't make much sense that it would have an expiration date," he said.

He, too, thinks that whatever the Pope is granting now will afterwards be the norm.