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« Reply #135 on: September 11, 2015, 06:54:09 AM »
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    I thought, perhaps, this might have simply been an individual problem with your computer or connection so I did the same thing.  When I click on the link:

    http://sspx.org/en/news-events/news/get-your-annulment-quick-10576

    The page that comes up says:  Access denied.  You are not authorized to access this page.

    SSPX.org has never been a subscription only website.  Evidently, someone posted a commentary but someone else said, "Wait a minute here!  We can't publish that!"  And the webpage was removed from public access though, interestingly, it was not simply deleted.  Something is indeed queer.


    That page name (get your annulment quick) makes it sound like an article that was negative towards the annulment process in the church. Maybe it was taken down in an effort to reduce criticism towards the powers that be?

    As an aside, lots of website admins unpublish pages rather than delete them. Heck, CathInfo even does that. For example, this topic was unpublished by Matthew rather than being deleted, for whatever reasons he might have had. I don't think it's always nefarious to do so.


    Except one can not find any response by SSPX about Francis' annulments.  Do you really believe that there isn't some nefarious reason?
    "For there is not any thing secret that shall not be made manifest, nor hidden, that shall not be known and come abroad."- Luke 8:17

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    « Reply #136 on: September 11, 2015, 07:07:08 AM »
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  • Here's the current SSPX page listing "news":

    http://sspx.org/en/news-events/news/all

    Not one mention of Francis' reform.
    "For there is not any thing secret that shall not be made manifest, nor hidden, that shall not be known and come abroad."- Luke 8:17


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    « Reply #137 on: September 11, 2015, 07:37:36 AM »
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    I thought, perhaps, this might have simply been an individual problem with your computer or connection so I did the same thing.  When I click on the link:

    http://sspx.org/en/news-events/news/get-your-annulment-quick-10576

    The page that comes up says:  Access denied.  You are not authorized to access this page.

    SSPX.org has never been a subscription only website.  Evidently, someone posted a commentary but someone else said, "Wait a minute here!  We can't publish that!"  And the webpage was removed from public access though, interestingly, it was not simply deleted.  Something is indeed queer.


    That page name (get your annulment quick) makes it sound like an article that was negative towards the annulment process in the church. Maybe it was taken down in an effort to reduce criticism towards the powers that be?

    As an aside, lots of website admins unpublish pages rather than delete them. Heck, CathInfo even does that. For example, this topic was unpublished by Matthew rather than being deleted, for whatever reasons he might have had. I don't think it's always nefarious to do so.


    Except one can not find any response by SSPX about Francis' annulments.  Do you really believe that there isn't some nefarious reason?


    It says access denied for me too but you can still get a it cached: here

    The article doesn't say anything, nothing worth anything anyway.



    Pope Francis has just announced a new and streamlined annulment procedure, but is it open to abuse?

    Image above: Pope Francis meets with auditors of the Apostolic Tribunal of the Roman Rota.

    A revised procedure for granting annulments was published on September 8th during a press conference at the Vatican. Published under the title of Mitis Judex Dominus Jesus (“The Gentle Judge, the Lord Jesus”),[1] Pope Francis states that his “concern for the salvation of souls”[2] motivated him to enact these changes.

    An annulment is a “declaration of nullity” which affirms that a bond of marriage never existed between a couple in the first place. The moral certitude of such a declaration must be based upon the review by ecclesiastical judges of the submitted evidence and testimony. Following a declaration of nullity, the parties have the right to marry others with the Church’s blessing if there is no canonical impediment (a circumstance that would forbid matrimony).

    Pope Francis’ revision “has substantially altered” a time-proven juridical process and could possibly serve as a “springboard for potential abuse”.[3] The most disconcerting alteration to the annulment process is the removal of the “double confirming sentence,” meaning that a second judgment of nullity was required before the nullity was settled—a safeguard intended to ensure with moral certitude that the marriage bond had never existed.

    It was this very point of the traditional juridical process that Cardinal Raymond Burke (former head of the Apostolic Signature, the Church’s “Supreme Court”) defended in the book, Remaining in the Truth of Christ, while citing the chaotic situation which held sway in American dioceses during the ‘70s and ‘80s when this crucial step was de facto omitted.  

    We will soon be offering a more in-depth commentary on the problems with Mitis Judex Dominus Jesus.
    For a small gain they travel far; for eternal life many will scarcely lift a foot from the ground. - Thomas A Kempis

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    « Reply #138 on: September 11, 2015, 08:12:45 AM »
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  • We will soon be offering a more in-depth commentary on the problems with Mitis Judex Dominus Jesus.

    OK, so we shall see.  I'm guessing it will be a fairly tempered criticism.
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    « Reply #139 on: September 14, 2015, 09:30:42 AM »
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    We will soon be offering a more in-depth commentary on the problems with Mitis Judex Dominus Jesus.

    OK, so we shall see.  I'm guessing it will be a fairly tempered criticism.


    Here it is: Has Catholic Divorce Arrived?


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    « Reply #140 on: September 14, 2015, 02:51:44 PM »
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    We will soon be offering a more in-depth commentary on the problems with Mitis Judex Dominus Jesus.

    OK, so we shall see.  I'm guessing it will be a fairly tempered criticism.


    Here it is: Has Catholic Divorce Arrived?



    SSPX.ORG is grateful to the Rorate Caeli blog for allowing us to republish their English version of Prof. Roberto de Mattei's piece about Pope Francis' motu proprio on the streamlined annulment process.

    This infuriates me because the SSPX cannot seem to come up with their own commentary on this debacle.  Instead they are "grateful" to rely on Rorate Caeli which is an Ecclesia Dei website for an article written by Dr. Mattei whose only objection to Vatican II is that it has been "misinterpreted".  I'm not saying that Dr. Mattei doesn't write some good articles because he does but isn't this just another tactic of the SSPX to present a Novus Ordo website in a positive light to the unsuspecting laity?  



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    « Reply #141 on: September 14, 2015, 04:57:04 PM »
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    SSPX.ORG is grateful to the Rorate Caeli blog for allowing us to republish their English version of Prof. Roberto de Mattei's piece about Pope Francis' motu proprio on the streamlined annulment process.

    This infuriates me because the SSPX cannot seem to come up with their own commentary on this debacle.  Instead they are "grateful" to rely on Rorate Caeli which is an Ecclesia Dei website for an article written by Dr. Mattei whose only objection to Vatican II is that it has been "misinterpreted".  I'm not saying that Dr. Mattei doesn't write some good articles because he does but isn't this just another tactic of the SSPX to present a Novus Ordo website in a positive light to the unsuspecting laity?  


    SSPX cannot come up with their own commentary because the SSPX has effectively silenced all of their best writers and all of them who actually provided relevant and insightful commentary.  I haven't heard from Fr. Peter Scott (I think that's his name) in years.  Of course, we know what happened to Bishop Williamson (though I think his commentary has become more disjointed in recent months).  And the SSPX is now censoring Archishop Lefebvre.

    The problem is that those writers were apt to publish articles that seriously put in doubt the coming reconciliation.  (Fr. Scott's doubts about the Modernist rites of Orders is probably especially unhelpful.)

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    « Reply #142 on: September 14, 2015, 05:07:35 PM »
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    We will soon be offering a more in-depth commentary on the problems with Mitis Judex Dominus Jesus.

    OK, so we shall see.  I'm guessing it will be a fairly tempered criticism.


    Here it is: Has Catholic Divorce Arrived?



    SSPX.ORG is grateful to the Rorate Caeli blog for allowing us to republish their English version of Prof. Roberto de Mattei's piece about Pope Francis' motu proprio on the streamlined annulment process.

    This infuriates me because the SSPX cannot seem to come up with their own commentary on this debacle.  Instead they are "grateful" to rely on Rorate Caeli which is an Ecclesia Dei website for an article written by Dr. Mattei whose only objection to Vatican II is that it has been "misinterpreted".  I'm not saying that Dr. Mattei doesn't write some good articles because he does but isn't this just another tactic of the SSPX to present a Novus Ordo website in a positive light to the unsuspecting laity?  




    (1)  Guess the SSPX never did offer an in-depth commentary (at least not their own).

    (2)  Seems the SSPX knows exactly who they are lining up with these days.  We just see more and more evidence that the SPPX will capitulate and "reconcile" with the Frauds.
    "For there is not any thing secret that shall not be made manifest, nor hidden, that shall not be known and come abroad."- Luke 8:17


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    « Reply #143 on: September 14, 2015, 07:40:01 PM »
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    We will soon be offering a more in-depth commentary on the problems with Mitis Judex Dominus Jesus.

    OK, so we shall see.  I'm guessing it will be a fairly tempered criticism.


    Here it is: Has Catholic Divorce Arrived?



    SSPX.ORG is grateful to the Rorate Caeli blog for allowing us to republish their English version of Prof. Roberto de Mattei's piece about Pope Francis' motu proprio on the streamlined annulment process.

    This infuriates me because the SSPX cannot seem to come up with their own commentary on this debacle.  Instead they are "grateful" to rely on Rorate Caeli which is an Ecclesia Dei website for an article written by Dr. Mattei whose only objection to Vatican II is that it has been "misinterpreted".  I'm not saying that Dr. Mattei doesn't write some good articles because he does but isn't this just another tactic of the SSPX to present a Novus Ordo website in a positive light to the unsuspecting laity?  




    (1)  Guess the SSPX never did offer an in-depth commentary (at least not their own).

    (2)  Seems the SSPX knows exactly who they are lining up with these days.  We just see more and more evidence that the SPPX will capitulate and "reconcile" with the Frauds.


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