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Offline CatholicInAmerica

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Re: Francis Clamps Down Harder
« Reply #15 on: February 21, 2023, 05:23:17 PM »
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  • Has anyone else stopped going to mass because of all this insanity? I haven't been to mass in about eight months, and it's not because I don't want to go, but since COVID, the SSPX chapel in my county was closed. The only independent Sede chapel in my area has problems, mainly that the priest is never in the confessional, and if you want to go, you have to make an "appointment." I'm not going to the indult. Last week I got tempted(out of desperation) to go to a Novus Ordo confession. I did not go. I'm wondering how much longer this I can take.
    Do not lose hope, my friend! That is a trick of the devil. Do not put the worry of Francis actions above the salvation of your soul! You have access to the sacraments, so take advantage of them. Do not make excuses for the sin of missing mass, the appointment part is irrelevant. What Francis does has no effect on the salvation of your soul as long as you have access to the sacraments. "Pray, Hope, and Don't worry"- Padre Pio
    Pope St. Pius X pray for us


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    Re: Francis Clamps Down Harder
    « Reply #16 on: February 21, 2023, 05:29:17 PM »
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  • Has anyone else stopped going to mass because of all this insanity? [...] The only independent Sede chapel in my area has problems, mainly that the priest is never in the confessional, and if you want to go, you have to make an "appointment."
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    How would this excuse you from your obligation to attend Mass on Sunday? :confused:


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    Re: Francis Clamps Down Harder
    « Reply #17 on: February 22, 2023, 12:09:56 AM »
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  • Here's what I pray for.....We wake up someday soon, and hear the SSPX leadership condemn Bergolio, and simply state they are going full steam to Tradition without Bergolio.  They should consecrate new Bishops asap, and ignore Rome.   They need to act like their founder, and fight for Tradition rather than making nice with the devil.  

    I pray daily Bergolio will become Catholic, and especially pray hard while serving the TLM on the altar knowing this is the Mass Bergolio loathes with all of his cold heart.


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    Re: Francis Clamps Down Harder
    « Reply #18 on: February 23, 2023, 12:08:43 AM »
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  • Why take orders from a man who is in mortal sin?  Mr Bergolio doesn’t believe in Jesus Christ.  He preaches a different gospel. 

    You can’t count on Sspx priests or anyone.  Only the laity under God. 






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    Re: Francis Clamps Down Harder
    « Reply #19 on: February 23, 2023, 01:39:37 PM »
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  • Well, why do you think the VA seminary was put it place, and where the money came from?!  The new so-called priests are not formed like they were decades, decades ago.  

    To be catholic you must: 1 Be baptized , and 2. Be Catholic, and 3. Be in Communion with the Pope. Whoops, there is a snag there. SSPXs pope misses out with 2. And He himself is not with Gods' Will. Spells heretic.

    His authority is lost. Who is SSPX following?


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    Re: Francis Clamps Down Harder
    « Reply #20 on: February 23, 2023, 01:46:47 PM »
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  • Bergoglio has admitted that the Motu groups have served as a "gateway drug" or "halfway house" to Catholic Traditionalism.  When the faithful get exposed to the True Catholic Mass, it tends to make their doctrine orthodox as well.  So he wants to stop the ONGOING bleeding.  Sure, in the short term, the numbers of SSPX trads will swell, but it'll be a burst effect, rather than a longer-term process of drawing people out of the Conciliar swamp.

    If I had to guess, when Bergoglio shuts down the Mass, maybe 25% of the Motu attendees might go to SSPX, tops.  There's a reason that they're at the Motu rather than with SSPX already, some of it being the nicer/bigger churches, nice choirs, shorter drive, etc. ... but the majority are there instead of SSPX because they don't want to be "schismatics".  Of the remaining 75%, perhaps half would gravitate toward Eastern Rite, and half would go back to the NOM.  So he's willing to cut loose that 25% to keep the remaining 75% from gradually also tending in that direction (and the future generations of that 75%).  That's his gamble.

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    Re: Francis Clamps Down Harder
    « Reply #21 on: February 23, 2023, 02:38:45 PM »
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  • Need Vigano to get conditionally Consecrated.

    Well, if he intends to ordain priests, for sure.

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    Re: Francis Clamps Down Harder
    « Reply #22 on: February 23, 2023, 03:24:16 PM »
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  • Here's what I pray for.....We wake up someday soon, and hear the SSPX leadership condemn Bergolio, and simply state they are going full steam to Tradition without Bergolio.  They should consecrate new Bishops asap, and ignore Rome.  They need to act like their founder, and fight for Tradition rather than making nice with the devil. 

    I pray daily Bergolio will become Catholic, and especially pray hard while serving the TLM on the altar knowing this is the Mass Bergolio loathes with all of his cold heart.
    I wonder how similar problems with the church were solved? Has a similar thing happened in church history? Being convinced of and converted to heresy, I  think so, but deliberately trying to destroy the church with the heresy rather than work out the truth? I wish I had more time to study church history.
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    Re: Francis Clamps Down Harder
    « Reply #23 on: February 25, 2023, 03:15:18 PM »
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  • Bergoglio must know that these actions can potentially lure some of the Conservative and idult Catholics to the Neo-SSPX. I believe he has a surprise in place for the SSSPX. What do you think?
    Rome will put SSPX to the test next. Maybe another deal/agreement to be made? It could go one of two ways, but would probably provide more clarity regardless. 

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    Re: Francis Clamps Down Harder
    « Reply #24 on: February 26, 2023, 06:25:15 AM »
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  • Bergoglio has admitted that the Motu groups have served as a "gateway drug" or "halfway house" to Catholic Traditionalism.  When the faithful get exposed to the True Catholic Mass, it tends to make their doctrine orthodox as well.  So he wants to stop the ONGOING bleeding.  Sure, in the short term, the numbers of SSPX trads will swell, but it'll be a burst effect, rather than a longer-term process of drawing people out of the Conciliar swamp.

    If I had to guess, when Bergoglio shuts down the Mass, maybe 25% of the Motu attendees might go to SSPX, tops.  There's a reason that they're at the Motu rather than with SSPX already, some of it being the nicer/bigger churches, nice choirs, shorter drive, etc. ... but the majority are there instead of SSPX because they don't want to be "schismatics".  Of the remaining 75%, perhaps half would gravitate toward Eastern Rite, and half would go back to the NOM.  So he's willing to cut loose that 25% to keep the remaining 75% from gradually also tending in that direction (and the future generations of that 75%).  That's his gamble.
    Motu?  SSPX?   Eastern Rite?  
    And I take it that you attend none of the above!

    Where do you live that you have have so many choices?

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    Re: Francis Clamps Down Harder
    « Reply #25 on: February 27, 2023, 07:03:57 AM »
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  • Motu?  SSPX?  Eastern Rite? 
    And I take it that you attend none of the above!

    Where do you live that you have have so many choices?
    I believe he is in Ohio which does have a quite a variety.
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)


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    Re: Francis Clamps Down Harder
    « Reply #26 on: February 27, 2023, 09:13:28 AM »
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    Bergoglio has admitted that the Motu groups have served as a "gateway drug" or "halfway house" to Catholic Traditionalism.  When the faithful get exposed to the True Catholic Mass, it tends to make their doctrine orthodox as well.
    Yes, I think the inherent graces of the True Rite (even if an indult) were underestimated by the Modernists.  +Benedict crafted the motu latin mass to capture the lukewarm Trads in order to weaken the sspx/Traditionalism.  And, based on my experience, this worked marvelously.  A high % of Trads (most in their 20s-30s), left True Traditionalism for the indult/novus ordo.


    What the Modernists didn't count on was the high conversion-rate of protestants/novus ordo-ites who had never been exposed to the Latin Mass and its graces.  And also the indult communities (St Peter, ICK) also started downplaying the novus ordo and started speaking out against V2).  The gain of Trads to Tradition very much outweighs the loss of many young Trads to the novus ordo.

    That's why +Francis has to "stop the bleeding" of young people leaving the new mass.  One small crack in the V2/new mass dam, and the whole thing is beginning to crumble.  +Francis can "crack down" all he wants but I think it's too late.  Traditionalism will return in glory, very quickly, once we get a holy pope.

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    Re: Francis Clamps Down Harder
    « Reply #27 on: February 28, 2023, 12:12:58 PM »
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  • Why take orders from a man who is in mortal sin?  Mr Bergolio doesn’t believe in Jesus Christ.  He preaches a different gospel. 

    You can’t count on Sspx priests or anyone.  Only the laity under God.
    $$PX