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Quote from: J.Paul

From the little that I know, these two priests are doing, and not talking.

There was talk of Fr. Z last fall which suggested he might be offering weekly Mass in just one location due to poor health or a desire to not travel. I read these things before I'd ever really met him. (I saw him a couple of times in San Antonio, but had never talked to him.) I considered at the time that there might be some truth to this and a legitimate consideration for any priest. Now that I know him, the suggestion is ludicrous! I know he's good at management because he couldn't possibly do all of the things he's working on all by himself.

I believe his first appearance in the Resistance world was Oct 26, 2014 -- not even 9 months ago. He immediately began working on purchasing a retreat house in CT -- a project which would have kept him busy in and of itself with all of the hoops they jumped through in an effort to obtain the property. The parishioners in CT had previously been discouraged from looking for a suitable property for a Resistance chapel, but Fr Z set a chapel and retreat center as goal #1 as he's very familiar with the value of retreats in strengthening the faithful and encouraging vocations. Despite not being able to obtain their first choice of location, the effort surely took much time and energy.

In that same mere 9 months, he also established a new Resistance location in Houston and obtained property there including a rectory and school. While "the Resistance" is old hat in most SSPX locations, Houston is experiencing the conflicts which arise when people take a stand against the direction of the NeoSSPX for the first time just over the past 2 months. Father KNOWS these people as it was his last SSPX assignment. This wasn't a matter of just showing up, but of contacting them each personally and explaining the problems in the SSPX in greater detail than he was at liberty to do before he had resigned from the Society.

As if that wasn't enough, two Bp Williamson visits were also orchestrated for the primary purpose of getting the Bishop SEEN and HEARD as much as possible. (Confirmations, while certainly important, were a secondary objective.) Father believes His Excellency to be most discussed by those in and out of the Society when he gives conferences. The CT conference was originally planned to extend several days, but was shortened due to the work of those who don't wish to see the Resistance grow.

And now this is about to start sounding like an infomercial -- THAT'S NOT ALL YOU GET FROM FATHER'S DEDICATION TO THE RESISTANCE!

He also spends time talking to other priests -- most importantly those considering helping the Resistance -- both in the US and abroad. Father Garcia joined Fr Z just before Holy Week which allowed them to start weekly Masses in TX just a few weeks later. Father has mentioned there are others, but who, when, and where will likely be a surprise to us all.

BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE!
Father has of course attracted the attention of other locations who'd like Resistance priests to offer Mass. Being mindful of priests who might just need to know they'll have somewhere to go, he gathers information about needs and resources which will allow priests to make their disagreement with Bp Fellay's NeoSSPX known.

ACT NOW AND YOU'LL ALSO GET NOT ONE, BUT TWO RESISTANCE SCHOOLS!
Schools in both CT and TX will be starting classes in September. Families have already bid a final farewell to their previous SSPX principals, so when summer's over, they'll be hitting the books in Resistance classrooms.

NINE MONTHS! Just typing all of that makes me excited to see what the next 9 months will bring.

ALL OF THE RESISTANCE PRIESTS WORK TIRELESSLY FOR THE CAUSE AND FR Z IS CERTAINLY NO EXCEPTION.

I would be very grateful MD if you could clear up something for me.   Are you saying that Father Z. is in total agreement with Frs.Pfeiffer, Chazal, Hewko, Voigt, MacDonald et al.   I have not met him and wondered if he had declared his reasons for leaving the n-SSPX to you.   He may possibly have made a public declaration somewhere, and if so I would like to see it.  

Does he have different reasons to the latter priests for leaving the n-SSPX?   I would appreciate your clarification very much.   Thank you.

Who is doing, and what has been done to these two priests?

Quote from: TKGS

Quote from: MaterDominici

There was talk of Fr. Z last fall...

I presume you are talking of Fr. Zendejas here.  Please spell out his name when you wish to refer to him.  The moniker "Fr. Z" is almost universally interpreted as being Fr. Zuhlsdorf of the "What Does the Prayer Really Say?" blog, the Novus Ordo priest and apologist who is so hateful toward tradition in anything other than the smells and bells.

Absolutely right!

Over the years when I used to see "Fr. Z" on forums like this, in my mind I always immediately thought of Fr. Zendejas, and then used to have to correct myself, because at first I never heard of Fr. Zuhlsdorf, and even after I did I still had to make the adjustment.  Of course in the context of this thread I know they mean Fr. Zendejas.  But I guess it is a good idea to spell it out now, either way.

 

Quote from: TKGS

Quote from: MaterDominici

There was talk of Fr. Z last fall...

I presume you are talking of Fr. Zendejas here.  Please spell out his name when you wish to refer to him.  The moniker "Fr. Z" is almost universally interpreted as being Fr. Zuhlsdorf of the "What Does the Prayer Really Say?" blog, the Novus Ordo priest and apologist who is so hateful toward tradition in anything other than the smells and bells.

Absolutely right!

Sorry, but that was intentional. Old ladies who run neighborhood associations like to use Google to dig up "dirt". Apparently Catholic retreat houses are right up there with garbage dumps and nuclear power plants when it comes to who they'd like to keep out of their neighborhood.  :rolleyes:

Quote from: J.Paul

Who is doing, and what has been done to these two priests?

I won't repeat false rumors, but I will say something as to why it's important.

Presuming Bp Fellay doesn't steer his ship back in the right direction, we'd all like to see more priests stand up for Faith and walk away from the softening NeoSSPX. Those who are even remotely considering doing so are naturally going to keep up with how things are going with the priests who've already made the move.

Not every priest is going to choose to operate in the exact same manner, but they all need to find a place among this new structure. If a new priest on the Resistance scene is going to get bossed around, slandered, and even red-lighted by those he's supposed to be working alongside, how do we expect the Resistance (at least in this country) to grow?

Thank you for the reply.

Each independent priest is quite important, and especially when they have initiative and use it to carry out their priestly mission. Those who would red light their brother priest without very solid reasons, do indeed shine a red light, but it shines back upon themselves, and warns others to avoid them, lest those lose their humility as well.

It appears that some who have left the Society have taken its sectarian bias with them and seek to control or condemn others in the manner of a Bishop Fellay.

The quite ones who are doers and simply go about there business are a much safer course for the faithful.

It is hoped, that a core will emerge made up of those men who will see clearly the urgent needs of the Church, and place them above and apart from their own desires and concerns.

He can't bring "all" under him, just because he is a bishop, because that would be usurping an authority or jurisdiction that he doesn't have.

Yes, he is a bishop. But he is a bishop without explicit jurisdiction or territory.

So no priest -- not even Bishop Williamson -- can make himself the de-facto Pope of all Resistance priests. He can only "rule" those who voluntarily place themselves under him.

So a bishop "taking over" by force would be almost as bad as a priest doing the same thing. In both cases, there is no true AUTHORITY from above.

+Williamson addressed this somewhat in his CT and TX conferences -- the ones before the Q&A's. Look up those conferences.

Anyhow, that's how it always was in the SSPX. The only authority +Fellay has is from the consent of all those who voluntarily join the SSPX (=the priests and religious).