Papolotry at its finest!

Proposal and Counter-Proposals for Pope Benedict and the SSPX

http://wdtprs.com/blog/2012/07/proposal-and-counter-proposals-for-pope-benedict-and-the-sspx/

I was sent a link to an article in The Remnant on the SSPX situation.  The article contains the following statements:

Instead of harassing Bishop Fellay to sign a doctrinal preamble, the Vatican should require every superior, university president and ordinary to sign the above quoted statement to remain in office.  I sense there would be quite a few vacancies as a result!

First, the Holy See is hardly “harassing” Bp. Fellay to sign the Doctrinal Preamble.  But I do like the idea proposed.

If the SSPX has to make some sort of Adhesio Fidei, then let’s have everyone make one if they have some office or position in the Church or her institutions!

I remember when I was in seminary in 80′s and the Holy See determined that seminary faculty would have to take an oath which involved little more than the Creed, one prof, a rather unstable and less than intelligent heretic actually burst into tears in front of our class and raved about “the Kremlin on the Tiber”.  Thanks be to God, those days are pretty much over now.

Another statement:

If Benedict XVI really wants to foster restoration of the Church from the post-Conciliar crisis he should simply accept the SSPX’s beautiful declaration of Faith and unilaterally declare the Society in communion with the Church and on his own authority grant to them jurisdiction directly from himself throughout the world to continue their work.  That may sound impossible but recall that the Society has just offered up a twelve-million rosary crusade for the Church.  Nothing is impossible for God and He can refuse no request of His Blessed Mother.

Of course it is not impossible.  The Supreme Pontiff has complete and universal jurisdiction.   I, too, would rejoice if the Pope simply did that and resolved the situation.  But he isn’t going to do that.  Pope’s don’t submit to renegades.  For all of their solid doctrinal statements and their zeal for souls, they don’t obey the Roman Pontiff whose authority they say they uphold.

What I would like to see, and I think Benedict would like to see, a demonstration that the bishops and priests of the SSPX will actually submit to his authority and obey him and those to whom he gives his own authority in the Roman Congregations and work with local bishops who are tasked with the pastoral governance of dioceses.

Here’s my proposal.  Let’s set all the Preambles and Declarations aside for a moment.  For the beginning of the Year of Faith, let the SSPX, the whole shootin’ match, gather en masse in Rome.  Let them ask for an audience with the Holy Father.  Let them – one by one – kneel before the Pope.  With their folded hands between Holy Father’s hands as if at an ordination, let each one of them promise to obey him and his successors.

I’ll be that would do it.

Of course on my planet, they would then go in solemn procession into the Basilica of St. Peter, with the Roman Pontiff raised on the sedia gestatoria, and celebrate Pontifical Mass, the SSPXers serving, their choir showing the Sistina how its done, etc.

“But Father! But Father!” some might be saying.  “Kneel down?  Grovel!  Never!”

When I worked in an office of the Holy See I heard stories from the old timers about how when the Pope’s secretary would phone, saying that the Pope was coming on the line, they would kneel down just to take his phone call.  I remember watching how, during an audience with John Paul II, the great Msgr. Luigi de Magistris knelt down the moment the Pope entered the room and would not rise until the Pope raised him.

Yes.  Kneel down before the Vicar of Christ and promise to obey him.  I would.

As a matter of fact, I did.

 :dancing-banana:

What a cushy life Father Z must have. Eat gourmet food, travel around the world, hang out and talk about himself on the internet all day, accept the adulation of fawning "ditto heads."

And what do SSPX priests do? They serve out of the way missions, bring the Sacraments to those who need them, work in the trenches saving souls; all the while being accused of schism and disobedience.

No thanks, Father Z. I will stand with manly, Godly priests who love Holy Mother Church. I will not stand with neo-catholic modernists, wishy-washy quasi-heretical popes or a council that sought to destroy the Catholic Faith.

While listening to Father Pfeiffer's sermon talking about wolves in sheep's clothing, I couldn't help but think of Father Z and his ilk.

A living example of the perfidy that brought us Vatican II.

What I find more amazing is that even after this lesson in how to lie back and allow your church to be destroyed, too many SSPXers -- after all they have been through -- are willing to bow before the ring of the sellouts and falsifiers in the name of subservience to a supposed higher order. In other words, the same virus in the laity that led them to allow the anti-Catholic Vatican II to be foisted upon the church is still present in deadly levels in the SSPX rank and file parishioners. How is it possible after all these years that the trads have learned nothing at all? Honestly, how is it possible? Is there something wrong with them?

A living example of the perfidy that brought us Vatican II.

What I find more amazing is that even after this lesson in how to lie back and allow your church to be destroyed, too many SSPXers -- after all they have been through -- are willing to bow before the ring of the sellouts and falsifiers in the name of subservience to a supposed higher order. In other words, the same virus in the laity that led them to allow the anti-Catholic Vatican II to be foisted upon the church is still present in deadly levels in the SSPX rank and file parishioners. How is it possible after all these years that the trads have learned nothing at all? Honestly, how is it possible? Is there something wrong with them?

Zvi, this was a very prescient post in 2009:

I wish I could understand what Bp. Williamson's plan is or if he has one. The whole SSPX is being eaten alive by the new order -- subsumed, its webpages cleansed, etc -- and he is going on about whether or not Shakespeare was a homo.

Hey you excellency: who cares! Stand up and fight for Lefebvre's legacy against the monsters who are about destroying it. Save the Church. Wake up!

 

Of course his position is a kind of insanity as well when it comes to the obligatory recognition of Ratzinger as pope but at the same time presuming to negotiate with a valid pope on matters of faith and morals?  

There is a problem in this that goes beyond the fallacy of "recognize and resist."

If Benedict XVI is everything they say he is then they should be stating that he should be deposed.  On the contrary, rather than saying he should be deposed, they act as though being recognized, having excommunications lifted, has moral legitimacy and significance.

If a Pope doesn't have the Faith and is destroying the Church, the logical position is that he needs to be deposed.

I lurk more than I post these days, but this may be the finest thread I have ever read on CathInfo. Great comments, excellent insights.  :applause:

Let's not forget that the Pope and his cronies took an Oath against Modernism. So much for kneeling before someone that broke his oath before God.

About which disavowal the late Msgr. Jos. C. Fenton stated that ANYONE breaking this solemn promise would be marked as a COMMON PERJURER.

Period.

"Z" is as theologically ill as 99.99% of the rest of the Nervous Oreo regime.  His one man FOOD/(vino)-TV blog is a total waste of electrons, time and brain cells.

Cin cin!   :alcohol: