Author Topic: Fr. Wegner smashes Bp. Williamson - Bp. W responds (Read 7017 times)

Matthew · « **on:** November 04, 2015, 08:31:24 PM »

On Saturday evening, October 31, Father Wegner gave a conference at Queen of Angels in Dickinson, TX. Within this conference Father talked in the most positive way of the SSPX being recognized by Rome. He left no doubt that this is going to be celebrated as soon as Francis "accepts us".

Then there was the other part of his conference directed against Bishop Williamson in a most virulent way. He said, "No one has done more damage to the SSPX than Bishop Williamson". He accused him of being a "traitor", "knowing the damage" the interview "denying the h0Ɩ0cαųst" would cause the Society and doing it on purpose. Strange that a German would not appreciate having someone speak the truth to lift the black cloud that still hangs over his own country and people. But no, he attacks the truth and blackens the name of the messenger.

Word reached His Excellency and this is what he has replied to Father Wegner:

(posted with H.E.’s permission)

Reverend Father,

It is brought to my attention that in Queen of Angels, Texas, parish of the SSPX, you said recently that when in November of 2008 I spoke to a Swedish TV interviewer about the "h0Ɩ0cαųst", I was perfectly well aware of what harm my remarks would do to the SSPX, and I made the remarks anyway, as though I positively wanted to harm the SSPX. I will assume that this report of your words is substantially accurate, because it is a widely shared version of my intentions at that moment.

Here is the truth, with which you must do as you see fit, but you will have been told it.

When I called in question the Six Million and the Gas-chambers, for good or ill the thought of the SSPX was absolutely not in my mind. I had in mind one thing and one thing alone -- to tell what I understood to be the truth on a very important question of modern history and religion, because the "h0Ɩ0cαųst" has been made into the most widely spread and influential substitute religion of modern times.

I expect no apology. I might be grateful if you ceased to tell counter-truths about my intention in uttering those famous words. Over to you.

With good wishes in Christ, +Richard Williamson.

JPaul · « **Reply #1 on:** November 04, 2015, 10:02:38 PM »

Sadly Father Wegner appears to be yet another pathologized self loathing German.

Raphaela · « **Reply #2 on:** November 05, 2015, 05:45:45 AM »

Is Fr Wegner German or Swiss? I was once told that he was a German-speaking Swiss like Fr Pfluger, but I don't know whether it's true.

BJ5 · « **Reply #3 on:** November 05, 2015, 07:21:25 AM »

A cogent, charitable, and honest response from H.E.

Infiguris · « **Reply #4 on:** November 05, 2015, 07:25:02 AM »

He is German, a convert from Protestantism.

covet truth · « **Reply #5 on:** November 05, 2015, 07:37:11 AM »

Quote from: Raphaela

Is Fr Wegner German or Swiss? I was once told that he was a German-speaking Swiss like Fr Pfluger, but I don't know whether it's true.

He's German. He talked a lot about the problems in Germany and in Europe, in general, for Catholics especially those who are not connected officially to Rome. He said, "we live in such close proximity to Rome" and he stressed that Society people want to be included. His talk was based on emotion and not principles. It is evident from his remarks that all those years that the Society resisted Rome and the Modernists, based on principle, has given way to the practical and human side. In other words, "we are tired of being outcasts and don't want to have that stigma anymore". They gave up the fight to be accepted.

Matthew · « **Reply #6 on:** November 05, 2015, 11:40:40 AM »

Quote from: covet truth

Quote from: Raphaela
Is Fr Wegner German or Swiss? I was once told that he was a German-speaking Swiss like Fr Pfluger, but I don't know whether it's true.

He's German. He talked a lot about the problems in Germany and in Europe, in general, for Catholics especially those who are not connected officially to Rome. He said, "we live in such close proximity to Rome" and he stressed that Society people want to be included. His talk was based on emotion and not principles. It is evident from his remarks that all those years that the Society resisted Rome and the Modernists, based on principle, has given way to the practical and human side. In other words, "we are tired of being outcasts and don't want to have that stigma anymore". They gave up the fight to be accepted.

Human, understandable...

...but also unacceptable.

covet truth · « **Reply #7 on:** November 05, 2015, 12:04:29 PM »

Quote from: Matthew

Quote from: covet truth
Quote from: Raphaela
Is Fr Wegner German or Swiss? I was once told that he was a German-speaking Swiss like Fr Pfluger, but I don't know whether it's true.

He's German. He talked a lot about the problems in Germany and in Europe, in general, for Catholics especially those who are not connected officially to Rome. He said, "we live in such close proximity to Rome" and he stressed that Society people want to be included. His talk was based on emotion and not principles. It is evident from his remarks that all those years that the Society resisted Rome and the Modernists, based on principle, has given way to the practical and human side. In other words, "we are tired of being outcasts and don't want to have that stigma anymore". They gave up the fight to be accepted.

Human, understandable...

...but also unacceptable.

The Society no longer wants to carry this Cross. It's as simple as that.

JPaul · « **Reply #8 on:** November 05, 2015, 12:51:52 PM »

The long and the short, they no longer believe in the Holy Catholic Church. They have come to believe that the conciliar entity is the true church, with a few misguided prelates and popes, akin to Bishop Williamson's half rotten fruit theory filled with sincere heretics and men who really want to be Catholic but don't know it.

RomanCatholic1953 · « **Reply #9 on:** November 06, 2015, 10:24:00 AM »

This German Priest Fr. Wegner needs to see the other side of WW2.

He can purchase on Amazon a book authored by Ben Raspberry,
The Myth of German Villainy.
Here are some of the horrors done to the German People:

a, Millions of surrendered German Soldiers in prisoner of war camps
were starved to death by orders of General Eisenhower that came
from Washington, DC.

b. At lease 8 million Germans were deliberately murdered by the
allies from VE Day to 1953. This leaves us the weaker minded
German that is easily brainwashed such as voting for the ex-communist
Merko and allowing mass immigration into their homeland.

c. Even the Jєωιѕн Tour guide of a concentration camp admitted
that the so called h0Ɩ0cαųst of deliberately exterminating Jєωs is a
lie.

Matthew · « **Reply #10 on:** November 06, 2015, 11:44:21 AM »

If you ever find yourself "back in time", and have a choice between running into nαzι territory or Communist territory, choose the nαzιs every time.

After WW2, the communists exacted a harsh revenge on the Germans. The communists -- the REAL bad guys, who the United States was allied with -- systematically raped hundreds and thousands of the German women immediately after the war.

The myth of how bad the nαzιs were is nothing compared to how bad the Communists ACTUALLY WERE.

The nαzιs were humanist, naturalist, materialist, and went off the rails (morality wise) on several occasions. But they weren't pure satanists like the Communists. Remember, the nαzιs only got as far as they did thanks to FUNDING from the Jєωs.

The whole goal of WW2 was the foundation of the Jєωιѕн State (Israel). End of list.

Of course, victors write the history books, and the United States was allied with Stalin, so the world (of course) thinks Hitler is the only soul in Hell, while Stalin isn't talked about at all. Rubbish.

Hell has plenty of people in it, including many of the "Allied leaders" during WW2.

covet truth · « **Reply #11 on:** November 06, 2015, 12:12:55 PM »

Quote from: RomanCatholic1953

This German Priest Fr. Wegner needs to see the other side of WW2.

He can purchase on Amazon a book authored by Ben Raspberry,
The Myth of German Villainy.
Here are some of the horrors done to the German People:

a, Millions of surrendered German Soldiers in prisoner of war camps
were starved to death by orders of General Eisenhower that came
from Washington, DC.

b. At lease 8 million Germans were deliberately murdered by the
allies from VE Day to 1953. This leaves us the weaker minded
German that is easily brainwashed such as voting for the ex-communist
Merko and allowing mass immigration into their homeland.

c. Even the Jєωιѕн Tour guide of a concentration camp admitted
that the so called h0Ɩ0cαųst of deliberately exterminating Jєωs is a
lie.

As to your Point a. this also included those Jєωs who were in the cσncєnтrαтισn cαмρs. The U.S. did cut off all food supplies and that is why you see the pictures of those emaciated people who were starving in those camps.

wallflower · « **Reply #12 on:** November 06, 2015, 12:24:12 PM »

If they want to be strategic, they need to be careful how hard they come down on Bishop Williamson. For as many people as want to hear bad about him there are others whose eyebrows raise and it sends them in search of the other side of the story. I know several families who are resistance-minded (not red-lighters, mind you) primarily because they knew Bishop Williamson's treatment was/is fishy.

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #13 on:** November 06, 2015, 03:54:02 PM »

Quote from: BJ5

A cogent, charitable, and honest response from H.E.

I wholeheartedly agree. This is how discourse should take place. Someone attacked him, and he attacked right back with charity. Father Chazal's admonition to Father Pfeiffer and Father Hewko was similar regarding the Ambrose situation. We should emulate them.

JPaul · « **Reply #14 on:** November 06, 2015, 08:19:09 PM »

Quote from: covet truth

Quote from: RomanCatholic1953
This German Priest Fr. Wegner needs to see the other side of WW2.

He can purchase on Amazon a book authored by Ben Raspberry,
The Myth of German Villainy.
Here are some of the horrors done to the German People:

a, Millions of surrendered German Soldiers in prisoner of war camps
were starved to death by orders of General Eisenhower that came
from Washington, DC.

b. At lease 8 million Germans were deliberately murdered by the
allies from VE Day to 1953. This leaves us the weaker minded
German that is easily brainwashed such as voting for the ex-communist
Merko and allowing mass immigration into their homeland.

c. Even the Jєωιѕн Tour guide of a concentration camp admitted
that the so called h0Ɩ0cαųst of deliberately exterminating Jєωs is a
lie.

As to your Point a. this also included those Jєωs who were in the cσncєnтrαтισn cαмρs. The U.S. did cut off all food supplies and that is why you see the pictures of those emaciated people who were starving in those camps.

RC1953 was pointing out that these atrocities against the Germans happened after the war not during it.