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Fr.Thouvenots leaked letter - Condition described on Chapter (July 18th)
« Reply #15 on: July 20, 2012, 11:46:30 PM »
Quote from: Cristera
Translation posted by Dumb Ox on IA

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The General Chapter

This took place at Ecône from 9th to 14th July, following a priests’ retreat preached by Fr Alain Lorans, the former rector of that seminary. The chapter began with its calling, with the reading of the rules of the chapter and the examination of the convocations, as well as of the case of Bishop Williamson, who has seen himself suspended from his office of capitulant by reason of canon 2331, 1 and 2 (NC 1373). The chapter gave its approval to the Superior General by a very large majority. The capitulants then invoked the Holy Ghost before swearing to keep secret the deliberations of the Chapter. The work of the Chapter was thus then able to begin.

You will see attached the Final Declaration that the Chapter adopted before it broke up and its members made their way to the tomb of our esteemed founder. This declaration will be made public on DICI, the official organ of communication of the General House.

Also, the essential conditions of any normalisation of our relations with the official Church were given a better definition :

The sine qua non conditions to which the Society binds itself and that she requires from the Roman authorities before considering a canonical recognition :

1 Freedom to keep, to transmit and to teach the sane doctrine of the unchanging magisterium of the Church and of the unchangeable truth of Divine Tradition ; freedom to defend, to correct and to reprove, even in public, those responsible for the errors or novelties of modernism, of liberalism, of The Second Vatican Council and their consequences ;

2 Exclusive use of the liturgy of 1962. The retention of the sacramental practice that we have at the moment (including holy orders, confirmation and marriage) ;

3 The guarantee of at least one bishop.

Desirable conditions :

1 Our own ecclesiastical tribunals, in the first instance ;

2 Exemption of houses of The Society of St Pius X in respect of diocesan bishops ;

3 A Pontifical Commission in Rome for Tradition, dependent on the Pope, with a majority of members, and the presidency, from Tradition.

The Acts of the Chapter will be published in the edition of Cor Unum to come out between now and the end of July. You will read how the keeping of natural, professional and commis secrets is a serious obligation, binding in justice. May this circular letter, meant only for superiors and to be made known to members of The Society of St Pius X, remain within our society, and not be made known in public, in particular on the Internet, on forums and blogs.

Rome

Bishop Fellay has asked me to add the following considerations :

The General House is well aware of the trouble and disquiet – often exagerrated - that have been caused by certain ambiguities, ambiguities that Rome has only clarified very recently, in particular by the reply of Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith dated 13th June last. Bishop Fellay is, moreover, grateful to Rome for having, at last, clarified precisely its position, which will allow the problems to be dealt with more easily in future. From now on, may our energies be united, and may rash judgements, and knocking of each other, stop.


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Fr.Thouvenots leaked letter - Condition described on Chapter (July 18th)
« Reply #16 on: July 21, 2012, 12:50:38 AM »
Rorate response:

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One day after the declaration was issued, and another leak of internal docuмents of the Society of Saint Pius X (FSSPX / SSPX), a letter sent to the District Superiors in the name of the Secretary General of the Society. It was first a PDF file, with an English file name, generated in the exact same kind of machine identified by Angelqueen in this post, that was then placed in a Mexican forum; then, the images of its pages were posted in an Argentine blog. The Anglophone connection did not disappear because of this, naturally.

This is just too much, and we will not post its contents, that included a summary of the General Chapter and some self-imposed conditions for a canonical regularization of the SSPX, nothing spectacularly different from what is already known, just listed in a structured fashion. Someone else may post it, but we in Rorate are just tired of this, we do not want to be a part of it. Enough.

It is disheartening to see once again that a society of traditional priests cannot keep a secret for more than 48 hours. May God have mercy on us.


From the comments:

New Catholic said...

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Anonymous: I think maybe we have not been clear. So here it is: enough, we do not want to be part of this game. It is not a sign of self-righteouness, but just the opposite: we are poor laymen with no desire to be involved in a game whose only result will be the ridicule and mocking of all involved. Asinus asinum fricat: may the jackasses (who think they are heroes!), whoever they may be, remain far away from us.


Fr.Thouvenots leaked letter - Condition described on Chapter (July 18th)
« Reply #17 on: July 21, 2012, 04:55:17 AM »
Quote from: Cristera
1 Freedom to keep, to transmit and to teach the sane doctrine of the unchanging magisterium of the Church and of the unchangeable truth of Divine Tradition ; freedom to defend, to correct and to reprove, even in public, those responsible for the errors or novelties of modernism, of liberalism, of The Second Vatican Council and their consequences ;

2 Exclusive use of the liturgy of 1962. The retention of the sacramental practice that we have at the moment (including holy orders, confirmation and marriage) ;


Don't worry about poor negotiation tactics.  There is no negotiation to have, and even if there were, there is no way the above could conceivably be accepted by the Vatican, and the authors of this text darn well knew it!

The rest is window dressing for Rorate types who will call them schismatics if they don't see "reasonable" stuff in the conditions.

Fr.Thouvenots leaked letter - Condition described on Chapter (July 18th)
« Reply #18 on: July 21, 2012, 09:50:58 AM »
Not if, but when new-rome accepts the terms hook, line and sinker...
it will be the end of the SSPX.


With only one Bishop, who is going to confirm your children?  Who will ordain your young men?  Who will ordain the Dominicans and the Franciscans?  An "installed" Nefarious Ordo so-called Bishop???

This is precisely why the ordinations, the Masses and confessions of the vast majority of the Fraternity of St. Peter (and the other misfit organizations) are dubious!  Because there is a good chance these "Priests" were not ordained at all (if the ordaining "Bishop" is simply not a Bishop)!

I know I'm repeating myself... Now is the time for the other Bishops to consecrate more Bishops to break the monopoly, before +Fellay has sold the SSPX to slaughter, his peers to servitude, his subjects to oppression and contempt and the whole SSPX into desolation.  

There is always the option of Consecrating more Bishops after the treachery, provided the three remain in "good health".  Certainly a gamble, but daily +Fellay and the 29 are regaining ground.  I hear it here in the chatter of the trolls, and see it clearly in the SSPX parishes in the US (particularly St. Marys and Post Falls).

Again a little Shakespeare:

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God quit you Bernard in his mercy! Hear your sentence.
You have conspired against the SSPX,
Join'd with an enemy proclaim'd and from his coffers
Received the golden earnest of the death of the SSPX;
Wherein you would have sold the SSPX to slaughter,
The SSPX princes and his peers to servitude,
The SSPX subjects to oppression and contempt
And the whole SSPX into desolation.
Touching our person seek we no revenge;
But the SSPX's safety must so tender,
Whose ruin you have sought, that to God's laws
We do deliver you. Get you therefore hence,
Poor miserable wretches, to your death:
The taste whereof, God of his mercy give
You patience to endure, and true repentance
Of all your dear offences! Bear them hence.

~ Shakespeare (Henry V)


Our Lady of La Salette Ora Pro Nobis!

Fr.Thouvenots leaked letter - Condition described on Chapter (July 18th)
« Reply #19 on: July 21, 2012, 10:35:49 AM »
Regarding Nefarious Ordo "Bishops" helping out the neo-SSPX after the signing of the "Indian Treaty".

With the help of "NO Bishops" why would +Fellay need or want the 3?

Remember that on March 11, 2012, the "bishop emeritus" of Nice, France, Jean Bonfils (installed Jan 10 1993 under Bugnini's Protestantized New Ordinal of 1968), invaded a chapel in Ajaccio and performed "Confirmations" there.

Bonfils apparently had the permission of +Fellay to use the chapel to administer "Confirmations" to the SSPX faithful.

If that doesn't sink the duck... instead of rising up and ejecting the NO bishop from their chapel, the faithful are reported to have accepted the situation without objection.  :facepalm:

Our Lady of La Salette Ora Pro Nobis!