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Just forwarding this from a Facebook group I'm with. I personally do not know the details of this. Hopefully, there is no truth to this whatsoever for the sake of that faithful's soul who passed away.

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Fwd ➡️ From: Louis Murus

To whom this may concern,

On the 6th of September this year 2018, Mr Ken Bayliss, a practicing Traditional Catholic, died in hospital 2 hours after being refused the Sacrament of Extreme Unction by Father Taouk of the Brisbane SSPX Parish. Father Pepping of that same parish refused to announce his death in the bulletin asking for prayers.

This is not the first time that Father Taouk has been guilty of lacking in his priestly duties.

In April 2016 he refused to give Holy Communion to my 5 year old niece Emilie Bretz who had just made her First Holy Communion and to whom Father Taouk had had previously given the sacrament. She went to the communion rail three times, three times he refused (a fact witnessed by the entire parish).

Father Taouk has also refused the Sacrament of Penance to three other parishioners that I know of: Mr. John Birchley, Dr. Anthony Pointing and Miss Caitlin Smith (10 years old ).

I am writing because Father Taouk is purposefully, out of a spirit of revenge, putting souls in danger by refusing sacraments on numerous occasions.
I want people to be informed of the truth and the future to be a better place so please pass this on.

Yours in Christ,  

Mr. Dominic Wall

3/86 Jutland st
Oxley 4075

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Re: Fr. Taouk SSPX allegedly refusing the Sacraments to some of the faithful.
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2018, 07:54:46 AM »
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  • Fr. Taouk never got the memo -- the latest strategy of the SSPX is "no martyrdoms" or "no heroes" , getting people to come back to the SSPX chapels, no more expulsions, and get as many of those frogs back in the pot as possible -- time will do the rest.

    The diabolical Communists share this strategy, incidentally. They would rather discredit you, make you look horrible, frame you as a rapist, date rapist, pedophile, make you fade away into obscurity, or something along those lines. That way, even your supporters hate you. They don't want heroes and martyrs.
    The devil knows that "the blood of martyrs is the seed of Christians".

    Likewise, the abuse and dry martyrdom of faithful Trads is the seed of more Trads, a.k.a. Resistance supporters.

    But I must say, at least Fr. Taouk is honest about how he feels, and consistent with his beliefs. He believes that the Resistance is evil, there is nothing to resist, etc. and so if someone misses a single Mass, he thinks they committed a mortal sin. Maybe he believes that not attending Mass is a public act (that people can see) and so it's a "public sin"? Who knows.

    It is refreshing in a way to see some honesty in a priest, even if his zeal is misplaced and happens to hurt some Trads. At least we all know where he stands. He's not two-faced!
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    Re: Fr. Taouk SSPX allegedly refusing the Sacraments to some of the faithful.
    « Reply #2 on: September 11, 2018, 08:57:07 AM »
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  • On the 6th of September this year 2018, Mr Ken Bayliss, a practicing Traditional Catholic, died in hospital 2 hours after being refused the Sacrament of Extreme Unction by Father Taouk of the Brisbane SSPX Parish. Father Pepping of that same parish refused to announce his death in the bulletin asking for prayers.

    This is an extremely grave accusation, but what need to get the actual facts and both sides of the story.  Did he actively "refuse" or just fail to provide (for whatever reason)?  Who is this Ken Bayliss, and why would Father Taouk "refuse" him the Sacraments?  Same on the other points.  Why would he "refuse" Confession to the people listed, including a 10-year-old?  Why would he refuse Holy Communion to a young child?  Sounds like the author of this post has an ax to grind against Father Taouk and may have a biased perspective.

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    Re: Fr. Taouk SSPX allegedly refusing the Sacraments to some of the faithful.
    « Reply #3 on: September 11, 2018, 08:58:46 AM »
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  • I am writing because Father Taouk is purposefully, out of a spirit of revenge, putting souls in danger by refusing sacraments on numerous occasions.

    If this is in fact the case, Father Taouk should be suspended from the priesthood and excommunicated.  That's how grave a charge this is.  But is it true?  If it's not true, the accuser should be excommunicated.

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    Re: Fr. Taouk SSPX allegedly refusing the Sacraments to some of the faithful.
    « Reply #4 on: September 11, 2018, 09:08:02 AM »
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  • I am writing because Father Taouk is purposefully, out of a spirit of revenge, putting souls in danger by refusing sacraments on numerous occasions.

    That's more of a problem for Fr. Taouk than for those that were denied the sacraments:

    St. John Chrysostom, Patriarch of Constantinople, Doctor of the Church:

    "I do not speak rashly, but as I feel and think., I do not think that many priests are saved but that those that perish are far more numerous. The reason is that the office requires a great soul. For there are many things to make a priest swerve from rectitude, and he requires great vigilance on every side. Do you not perceive how many qualities a bishop must have that he may be apt to teach; patient towards the wicked, firm and faithful in teaching the Word? How many difficulties herein.

    Moreover the loss of others is imputed to him. I need say no more. If but one dies without baptism, does it not entirely endanger his salvation? For the loss of one soul is so great an evil as no man can understand. If the salvation of one soul is of such importance that, for its sake, the Son of God became man and suffered so much, think of the penalty the loss of one soul will entail." (Third Homily, Acts of the Apostles)
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    Re: Fr. Taouk SSPX allegedly refusing the Sacraments to some of the faithful.
    « Reply #5 on: September 11, 2018, 10:40:32 AM »
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  • This is an extremely grave accusation, but what need to get the actual facts and both sides of the story.  Did he actively "refuse" or just fail to provide (for whatever reason)?  Who is this Ken Bayliss, and why would Father Taouk "refuse" him the Sacraments?  Same on the other points.  Why would he "refuse" Confession to the people listed, including a 10-year-old?  Why would he refuse Holy Communion to a young child?  Sounds like the author of this post has an ax to grind against Father Taouk and may have a biased perspective.
    Just want to clarify when you said "the author of this post" whether or not you're referring to me?

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    Re: Fr. Taouk SSPX allegedly refusing the Sacraments to some of the faithful.
    « Reply #6 on: September 11, 2018, 10:46:00 AM »
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  • If this is in fact the case, Father Taouk should be suspended from the priesthood and excommunicated.  That's how grave a charge this is.  But is it true?  If it's not true, the accuser should be excommunicated.

    I agree.

    Note that my whole response is about A) Fr. Taouk's past behavior, assuming he's still against the Resistance, B) talking about the SSPX's new stance, a diabolically clever strategy to weaken the Resistance

    But I didn't take off criticizing and condemning Fr. Taouk, because we have no evidence for this latest report. But it's not unbelievable or crazy, considering Fr. Taouk's past zeal and hatred of the Resistance -- that's all I can say.

    But it's true that people are quick to criticize a priest, and confuse *refusing* to give Last Rites with simply *not doing so*. There could be plenty of reasons for simply "not doing so" -- including distance. Remember, many Resistance-affiliated Trads are judging by Fr. Pfeiffer's standards. Fr. P would cancel Mass elsewhere and spend $1500 or more on last-minute airfare to fly across the country and give Last Rites. That's his decision, but such a decision is BY NO MEANS binding on all priests.

    Fr. P has plenty of shortcomings and failings, and even public sins to be criticized -- but this is how he gets his supporters: by his occasional above-and-beyond heroic acts. Acts that are quite public, and people will voluntarily spread by word of mouth. When he's done that for your mother or father on their deathbed, you won't soon leave Fr. Pfeiffer, no matter WHAT he does after that. So Fr. P will do something saint-like such as flying out last-minute for Extreme Unction, and then come home and put the apostate, superstitious Pablo in charge of the "seminarians", strongly promote priests with homosexual tendencies, or slander good priests and bishops whose only "fault" is not acknowledging Fr. Pfeiffer as a de-facto Pope. Or he'll machinate with Pablo and try to thwart Bp. Zendejas' attempt to buy a building to hold Ignatian Retreats.

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    Re: Fr. Taouk SSPX allegedly refusing the Sacraments to some of the faithful.
    « Reply #7 on: September 11, 2018, 10:49:39 AM »
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  • A couple points for Ladislaus and anyone else having thoughts similar to what he expressed:

    1. The CathInfo member who started this thread is NOT the actual author of the text.
    2. The author of the text signed his full name and address. He is quite serious about this charge. This is not an anonymous, Internet keyboard warrior drive-by shooting of someone's reputation. If he's just distorting or slandering Fr. Taouk, he's sure bold by placing his name to it!
    3. The full names of all of the victims of "sacrament denial" are given. Again, this doesn't sound like anonymous rumor or someone trying to create FUD (fear-uncertainty-doubt) about Fr. Taouk. Anyone local could look into these details themselves and verify (or disprove!) the allegations.


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    I understand your point, Ladislaus, and I touched on a couple of those points in my post above.

    However, to use a common expression, "it doesn't look good".

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    Re: Fr. Taouk SSPX allegedly refusing the Sacraments to some of the faithful.
    « Reply #8 on: September 11, 2018, 10:54:12 AM »
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  • Fr. Taouk never got the memo -- the latest strategy of the SSPX is "no martyrdoms" or "no heroes" , getting people to come back to the SSPX chapels, no more expulsions, and get as many of those frogs back in the pot as possible -- time will do the rest.

    The diabolical Communists share this strategy, incidentally. They would rather discredit you, make you look horrible, frame you as a rapist, date rapist, pedophile, make you fade away into obscurity, or something along those lines. That way, even your supporters hate you. They don't want heroes and martyrs.
    The devil knows that "the blood of martyrs is the seed of Christians".

    Likewise, the abuse and dry martyrdom of faithful Trads is the seed of more Trads, a.k.a. Resistance supporters.

    But I must say, at least Fr. Taouk is honest about how he feels, and consistent with his beliefs. He believes that the Resistance is evil, there is nothing to resist, etc. and so if someone misses a single Mass, he thinks they committed a mortal sin. Maybe he believes that not attending Mass is a public act (that people can see) and so it's a "public sin"? Who knows.

    It is refreshing in a way to see some honesty in a priest, even if his zeal is misplaced and happens to hurt some Trads. At least we all know where he stands. He's not two-faced!

    This refusal of Sacraments for non SSPX faithful has been a Menzingen policy for some years now.

    I've seen it in play, where an SSPX priest, Fr. Bergez, openly admitted he would not be allowed to give a dying lady Extreme Unction unless she had been a member of an SSPX Chapel.

    Not quite sure of the logic behind it, but it truly positions the SSPX as cult, lacking the traditional Catholic "missionary zeal" for souls.

    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Fr. Taouk SSPX allegedly refusing the Sacraments to some of the faithful.
    « Reply #9 on: September 11, 2018, 10:55:41 AM »
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  • Just want to clarify when you said "the author of this post" whether or not you're referring to me?

    I meant the Facebook post.

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    « Reply #10 on: September 11, 2018, 11:01:11 AM »
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  • A couple points for Ladislaus and anyone else having thoughts similar to what he expressed:

    1. The CathInfo member who started this thread is NOT the actual author of the text.
    2. The author of the text signed his full name and address. He is quite serious about this charge. This is not an anonymous, Internet keyboard warrior drive-by shooting of someone's reputation. If he's just distorting or slandering Fr. Taouk, he's sure bold by placing his name to it!
    3. The full names of all of the victims of "sacrament denial" are given. Again, this doesn't sound like anonymous rumor or someone trying to create FUD (fear-uncertainty-doubt) about Fr. Taouk. Anyone local could look into these details themselves and verify (or disprove!) the allegations.


    I understand your point, Ladislaus, and I touched on a couple of those points in my post above.

    However, to use a common expression, "it doesn't look good".

    I understand that this was not anonymous.  I just think that we need to take it with a HUGE grain of salt on our end.  Even if the accuser is convinced that he's telling the truth, the notion of "refusing" Extreme Unction could be a little subjective.  If Father actively "refused" it, what were his reasons?  Did he consider the person to be a non-Catholic?  Accuser said that it came from a "spirit of revenge".  Revenge for what?  Did this man who was denied the Sacraments say that the priest's sermons were boring and Father was punishing him out of sheer spite for a petty offense?  Or was the man spreading schismatic or heretical doctrines around the chapel?  Did Father "refuse" or was it just that Father said he would be out later that day, but then the person died before he could get there?  In the mind of one person, that could be construed as "refusal"?  There's just way too much missing detail for me to be able to form a judgment.


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    Re: Fr. Taouk SSPX allegedly refusing the Sacraments to some of the faithful.
    « Reply #11 on: September 11, 2018, 12:18:29 PM »
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  • Again, for now I think it's best to stick to criticizing Fr. Taouk for being anti-Resistance (which we know to be the case -- he has never publicly come out and apologized to the Resistance or announced a different position).

    As for any further criticism or condemnation, we would need more evidence.
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    Re: Fr. Taouk SSPX allegedly refusing the Sacraments to some of the faithful.
    « Reply #12 on: September 11, 2018, 04:01:19 PM »
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  • I'm from Brisbane and I do confirm this report ! Fr. T. is known for this. I'm an opinionist S.V. and my best mate ( definitely anti S.V. ) is most active in the local resistance group. I've no dog in this fight, but Fr. T. has a forceful personality, and his behavior can be reprehensible at times.

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    « Reply #13 on: September 11, 2018, 04:30:14 PM »
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  • Refusing Extreme Unction for political reasons is a grave mortal sin.  Priests who do this should be suspended and excommunicated.  Organizations which do this should be dissolved and their leadership excommunicated.

    If they consider the Resistance to be non-Catholic then they are schismatics.  Same goes the other way around.

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    « Reply #14 on: September 11, 2018, 04:41:50 PM »
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  • I'm from Brisbane and I do confirm this report ! Fr. T. is known for this. I'm an opinionist S.V. and my best mate ( definitely anti S.V. ) is most active in the local resistance group. I've no dog in this fight, but Fr. T. has a forceful personality, and his behavior can be reprehensible at times.

    If that's the case, he has no business in a pastoral role.  He should be sent to a monastery to do penance.  The Sacraments are not anyone's property and not their weapons and playthings.  Priests are not ordained for their glory, nor do they deserve it, as no human person is worthy, but only so that Our Lord Himself can bring the Sacraments to souls.  That's the only reason priests exist.

     

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