Author Topic: Fr Scotts Replacement (Read 11858 times)

Columba · « **Reply #30 on:** October 01, 2012, 06:31:32 PM »

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The principles of arraigned marriage and military schooling for boys are historically well-established, consistent with natural law, and vastly superior the modern customs of marriage and boy education.

Having some SSPX priest conceivably pressure a young woman into some bizarre arranged marriage, or having them organize a "military" academy with "military discipline" is a sign of a group that is out of control. [...]

Having priests trying to influence who marries who is very cultish. And the idea of "military discipline" in the schools is also about creating SSPX-bots, and gratifying the domineering spirit of martinets.

Priest-arranged marriages?!? Actually this is done by family members lining up eligible candidates with the voluntary collaboration of the principles. Pastors with the courage to support the principle of arraigned marriage from the pulpit are responsible and truthful, not necessarily cultish.

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"military" schools shouldn't be run by priests.

What is inherently wrong about priest-led schools conducting marching drills for boys?

Telesphorus · « **Reply #31 on:** October 01, 2012, 06:37:12 PM »

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Priest-arranged marriages?!? Actually this is done by family members lining up eligible candidates with the voluntary collaboration of the principles.

Priests using the confessional to try to impose parental will on pain of sin - to manipulate who marries whom.

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Pastors with the courage to support the principle of arraigned marriage from the pulpit are responsible and truthful, not necessarily cultish.

"the principle of arranged marriage" - you make it sound as though it is a Christian principle. This is absurd, and part of the problem. The problem of making up the religion as you go along, which is what the SSPX often does, often with no consistency whatsoever from one year to the next.

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What is inherently wrong about priest-led schools conducting marching drills for boys?

It's not a priests job to make anyone's son march.

They need to stick to their vocation.

And stop pretending to be shrinks, military officers, matchmakers, etc.

Columba · « **Reply #32 on:** October 01, 2012, 07:17:06 PM »

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Priest-arranged marriages?!? Actually this is done by family members lining up eligible candidates with the voluntary collaboration of the principles.

Priests using the confessional to try to impose parental will on pain of sin - to manipulate who marries whom.

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Pastors with the courage to support the principle of arraigned marriage from the pulpit are responsible and truthful, not necessarily cultish.

"the principle of arranged marriage" - you make it sound as though it is a Christian principle. This is absurd, and part of the problem. The problem of making up the religion as you go along, which is what the SSPX often does, often with no consistency whatsoever from one year to the next.

Turning down an arraigned candidate would be a sin requiring confession? Supporting the principle of arraigned marriage amounts to claiming it is the only option? You have nothing but straw.

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What is inherently wrong about priest-led schools conducting marching drills for boys?

It's not a priests job to make anyone's son march.

They need to stick to their vocation.

And stop pretending to be shrinks, military officers, matchmakers, etc.

You offer nothing beyond your personal dislike of priest-led schools conducting marching drills for boys.

Difficulty in finding suitable marriage partners and lack of hardness in boys are real-world problems among traditionalist families. Seeking traditional Catholic solutions to these problems in a forthright manner is not necessarily a bad thing.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #33 on:** October 01, 2012, 07:20:55 PM »

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Turning down an arraigned candidate would be a sin requiring confession? Supporting the principle of arraigned marriage amounts to claiming it is the only option? You have nothing but straw.

No, I have the evidence of my own eyes the way the SSPX likes to manipulate people. Encouraging "arranged marriages" would be entirely a matter of increasing that abusive manipulation.

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You offer nothing beyond your personal dislike of priest-led schools conducting marching drills for boys.

People who want priests to act as drill sergeants are deranged.

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Difficulty in finding suitable marriage partners and lack of hardness in boys are real-world problems among traditionalist families. Seeking traditional Catholic solutions to these problems in a forthright manner is not necessarily a bad thing.

No, it's not a bad thing, but that's not what suggesting going back to arranged marriages and encouraging "military discipline" in schools is about. At all.

It's about making up the religion as they go along, anything to increase their power and control.

Columba · « **Reply #34 on:** October 01, 2012, 08:00:46 PM »

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Turning down an arraigned candidate would be a sin requiring confession? Supporting the principle of arraigned marriage amounts to claiming it is the only option? You have nothing but straw.

No, I have the evidence of my own eyes the way the SSPX likes to manipulate people. Encouraging "arranged marriages" would be entirely a matter of increasing that abusive manipulation.

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You offer nothing beyond your personal dislike of priest-led schools conducting marching drills for boys.

People who want priests to act as drill sergeants are deranged.

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Difficulty in finding suitable marriage partners and lack of hardness in boys are real-world problems among traditionalist families. Seeking traditional Catholic solutions to these problems in a forthright manner is not necessarily a bad thing.

No, it's not a bad thing, but that's not what suggesting going back to arranged marriages and encouraging "military discipline" in schools is about. At all.

It's about making up the religion as they go along, anything to increase their power and control.

So your problem is with negative tendencies you perceive within the SSPX, not with practical solutions historically proven effective among Catholics. Conceivably, the SSPX might use arranged marriage and military schooling for cultish purposes, just as they might use other things such as the faith and the mass. None of these things are inherently evil.