Author Topic: Fr Scotts Replacement (Read 11838 times)

Telesphorus · « **Reply #35 on:** October 01, 2012, 08:11:35 PM »

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So your problem is with negative tendencies you perceive within the SSPX, not with practical solutions historically proven effective among Catholics.

What is proven? "Arranged marriages" in the rest of the world mean that parents decide on the match. Since the Church teaches that there is a free choice in marriage, trying to return to an old system of parents making matches in when it is culturally alien is not going to fly. It's cultish.

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Conceivably, the SSPX might use arranged marriage and military schooling for cultish purposes, just as they might use other things such as the faith and the mass. None of these things are inherently evil.

The SSPX has enough troubles with schools as it is. They don't need kooky priests trying to establish military discipline.

In retrospect, we can see that many forms of schooling that were popular in the past were evil in their consequences. Particularly the boys boarding school.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #36 on:** October 01, 2012, 08:21:03 PM »

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In retrospect, we can see that many forms of schooling that were popular in the past were evil in their consequences. Particularly the boys boarding school.

That's not to say they were all evil or that there were not good reasons for establishing them.

Just that certain kinds of schooling are particularly ripe for abuse.

That is particularly true today, when a child's peers are apt to be vicious.

Columba · « **Reply #37 on:** October 01, 2012, 09:45:53 PM »

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So your problem is with negative tendencies you perceive within the SSPX, not with practical solutions historically proven effective among Catholics.

What is proven? "Arranged marriages" in the rest of the world mean that parents decide on the match. Since the Church teaches that there is a free choice in marriage, trying to return to an old system of parents making matches in when it is culturally alien is not going to fly. It's cultish.

Abstinence before marriage is also culturally alien and corporal punishment is practically illegal. Wifely submission to the husband has been obsolete for more than a century. Catholic mass had to be modernized because it too was "culturally alien."

Your understanding of non-Western arranged marriage appears to have originated from neocon war propaganda. East Indians now commonly have websites of marriage seekers maintained by relatives. Using online photos and information and by preliminary communication between maintainers, acceptable candidates are lined up by the family. The principles choose whom to meet first and whether to accept an offer of marriage. This ensures that the marriage partner will be compatible with the inlaws and invests both extended families in the success of the marriage. As should be expected, the success rate and child production of arranged marriages vastly exceeds that of the non-arraigned.

Young women left to themselves are usually attracted to the "bad boy" element. For the most part, Catholic girls suffer the same proclivities. Family involvement in the courtship process helps to protect young ladies from such inherent weakness. The condition of the weaker sex was once widely understood in the West, but such understanding has since become "culturally alien."

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The SSPX has enough troubles with schools as it is. They don't need kooky priests trying to establish military discipline.

There are troubles in non-SSPX schools as well. Reliable Catholic schooling is indispensable to the restoration of Catholic culture.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #38 on:** October 01, 2012, 09:57:06 PM »

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Abstinence before marriage is also culturally alien

No, it isn't culturally alien. It's widely approved on paper. And it's a totally different category from arranged marriage. You're treating arranged marriage as though it's Catholic teaching. It's not.

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and corporal punishment is practically illegal. Wifely submission to the husband has been obsolete for more than a century. Catholic mass had to be modernized because it too was "culturally alien."

I explained very clearly that arranged marriage is not a matter of the Catholic Faith.

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Your understanding of non-Western arranged marriage appears to have originated from neocon war propaganda.

That is a ludicrous comment. Incidentally, I have heard of tragic, heartbreaking marriages (marriages that kept young lovers apart and resulted in a disastrous union) - and not from neocon propaganda, but from from the sister of a man trapped in such a terrible marriage.

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East Indians now commonly have websites of marriage seekers maintained by relatives. Using online photos and information and by preliminary communication between maintainers, acceptable candidates are lined up by the family.

This idea that parents are going to be selecting mates for girls in America is ludicrous. If anything, the problem is that parents do not want marriage for their daughters until their daughters have lost their innocence, because of the influence of feminism.

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Young women left to themselves are usually attracted to the "bad boy" element. For the most part, Catholic girls suffer the same proclivities.

And you think girls in arranged marriages won't be attracted to those types? The problem is that women are not looking for marriage. If marriage were a priority they would behave differently. The real problem is that the only people these priests and fathers can punish are the "nice guys" - only the nice guys will be vulnerable to their manipulative guilt-tripping, gas-lighting, and lies.

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Family involvement in the courtship process helps to protect young ladies from such inherent weakness. The condition of the weaker sex was once widely understood in the West, but such understanding has since become "culturally alien."

There's nothing wrong with family involvement in courtship. But that's totally different from "arranged marriage." Family involvement in courtship isn't "culturally alien" either.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #39 on:** October 01, 2012, 10:05:46 PM »

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guilt-tripping, gas-lighting, and lies.

guilt-tripping - teaching suitors to jump through hoops of approval - when those requirements are not part of Catholic teaching - creating false scruples in Catholic men.

gas-lighting - collectively pretending a situation is other than what it is - this is done as a prelude to

lies - smearing the unwanted suitor with lies and slanders.