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Fr Scotts Replacement
« Reply #25 on: October 01, 2012, 05:24:00 PM »
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I'd expect that fathers (those who are not hen-pecked) would be the primary proponents.


I don't think any decent father wants to expose his son to a situation ripe for abuse.


Fr Scotts Replacement
« Reply #26 on: October 01, 2012, 05:24:11 PM »
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The evolving legal principles that Father Sheehan found most apparent throughout the period were the Church's insistence on the validity of personal choice with respect to marriage partners and household formation. Seigneurial, community, and family control over marriage found little or no place in the church courts. Beyond personal choice, the Church sought to make marriages public though the institution of banns, as a means to preventing improper unions of those barred from a sanctified wedding--those related within forbidden degrees, those in holy orders, and those who were already betrothed or married. Cases that appeared in the church courts demonstrated the more frequent use of the courts as a means of proving the validity of marriage rather than as a route to annulment. Father Sheehan thus concluded that the Church was a critical factor in the formation of households based on the personal choice of the marriage partners. His works were among the earliest to demonstrate the agency of the Church in the establishment of independent nuclear households.


http://www.h-net.org/reviews/showrev.php?id=2054

This could be a modern-thinking Catholic embarrassed over the of the non-politically correct Catholic past and therefore attempting to revise the common knowledge.


Fr Scotts Replacement
« Reply #27 on: October 01, 2012, 05:27:29 PM »
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This could be a modern-thinking Catholic embarrassed over the of the non-politically correct Catholic past and therefore attempting to revise the common knowledge.


Why then in the 18th Century were such efforts made under the regime of "Enlightened Despotism" against the Church, to ensure parental control of marriage choice?

The French have always been domineering with their children.

Fr Scotts Replacement
« Reply #28 on: October 01, 2012, 05:54:37 PM »
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You may have been taken in by some black legends about arranged marriages. Catholic arranged marriages always involved agreement of the participants. If you disbelieve the common knowledge that Catholic arranged marriage was once widespread, read the histories of authors like William Thomas Walsh or perhaps take in a few of Shakespeare's plays.


In principle the Church supported free marriage and usually exercised its authority in favor of free marriage choice.

Depending on the time and place, marriage certainly could be forced - or virtually forced.  And you don't have to go back to the middle ages.  In fact laws were changed more in modern times (for example, in the 18th Century) to give parents more power - and these laws were distinctly anti-clerical in their intent and application.

There are always people who want to use their local influence to be unreasonably domineering.  Anyone suggesting that groups like the SSPX should return to arranged marriages should understand the kind of abuses that would be ripe for.  Indeed, even without explicitly arranged marriages, abuses are already occurring.  The pretty young women are seen as a source of potential revenue.

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Prior to the conquest of society by the bankster class, the primary profession of all the noble born was that of knight and soldier. Boys from these families were trained as squires from the earliest ages. The Scottish Catholic Highland clans trained boys in warfare until that culture was wiped out in the mid Eighteenth century. Millitary orders took in boys at a young age. Boys are naturally suited for military training. When I was young, I spent many hours after school playing soldier neighborhood boys using store-bought and make-shift toy weapons.


A military school, or "military discipline" at school, in an SSPX where some priests give sermons against homeschooling - demanding that children go to their schools - is about manipulation and control, and people with a strong desire to control others.  It's not about learning to shoot, or training for a future life as a soldier.  It's not something for priests to be encouraging.

The principles of arraigned marriage and military schooling for boys are historically well-established, consistent with natural law, and vastly superior the modern customs of marriage and boy education. These principles are not absolute, but have been implemented on a sliding scale basis, fine-tuned to strengthen family and communal ties and develop masculinity in boys.

Bankster-financed moral usurpers notably oppose these principals, perhaps in order to atomize individuals and foster gender role-reversal.

I am on record opposing SSPX cultishness but that is a separate matter.

Fr Scotts Replacement
« Reply #29 on: October 01, 2012, 06:05:27 PM »
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The principles of arraigned marriage and military schooling for boys are historically well-established, consistent with natural law, and vastly superior the modern customs of marriage and boy education.


Having some SSPX priest conceivably pressure a young woman into some bizarre arranged marriage, or having them organize a "military" academy with "military discipline" is a sign of a group that is out of control.

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These principles are not absolute, but have been implemented on a sliding scale basis, fine-tuned to strengthen family and communal ties and develop masculinity in boys.


"military" schools shouldn't be run by priests.

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Bankster-financed moral usurpers notably oppose these principals, perhaps in order to atomize individuals and foster gender role-reversal.


My opposition to it has nothing to do with them.  On the other hand, the desire to control, for the purposes of maximizing contributions, seems to be prevalent.

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I am on record opposing SSPX cultishness but that is a separate matter.


Having priests trying to influence who marries who is very cultish.  And the idea of "military discipline" in the schools is also about creating SSPX-bots, and gratifying the domineering spirit of martinets.