Lol, law is suddenly sacred to you? If you lost for slapping your wife, you'd consider that just? Your views constantly shift according to what's convenient for you at the moment.

Whoever Alexandria is, if she said Fr was advocating arranged marriages, she is mistaken.

Again, take your calumny to your own thread.

Lol, law is suddenly sacred to you?

Some laws are just, some are not.  For example, St. Thomas Aquinas says that if a man catches a priest with his wife he's not excommunicated for striking the priest.

The jury came to the conclusion this priest caused the man a great deal of harm.  So don't call it calumny.  It's not calumny.  It's the public record, of what the SSPX was found civilly liable for, the conduct of this priest, by a jury.

If you lost for slapping your wife, you'd consider that just?

Different situation.  

Your views constantly shift according to what's convenient for you at the moment.

Nonsense.  You are not well-equipped in logic wallflower.

Whoever Alexandria is, if she said Fr was advocating arranged marriages, she is mistaken.

Again, take your calumny to your own thread.

Groups that try to control who marries within the group are cultish.

People who think the SSPX is knowledgeable and equipped to responsibly conduct military style schooling are not right in the head.

The motives for even suggesting such a thing are highly suspect.

As I said, there are way too many wannabe bullies in the SSPX and in their chapels.

(and many want to bully husbands and fathers, their son in laws, their sons, suitors they don't like, etc)

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During the heyday of Christendom, most marriages were arranged

Proof?  The simple fact is the Church defends the principle that marriage is a free choice.

It is NOT the business of priests to try to set the social norms in this area.

You may have been taken in by some black legends about arranged marriages. Catholic arranged marriages always involved agreement of the participants. If you disbelieve the common knowledge that Catholic arranged marriage was once widespread, read the histories of authors like William Thomas Walsh or perhaps take in a few of Shakespeare's plays.

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and most boys received the equivalent of military schooling.

Nonsense.

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These things have everything to do with Catholic teachings and their disappearance has everything to do with the collapse of Christendom.

Your assertions are without proof.

The idea that military education and arrnaged marriages has anything to do with Catholic traditionalism is deranged.

Prior to the conquest of society by the bankster class, the primary profession of all the noble born was that of knight and soldier. Boys from these families were trained as squires from the earliest ages. The Scottish Catholic Highland clans trained boys in warfare until that culture was wiped out in the mid Eighteenth century. Millitary orders took in boys at a young age. Boys are naturally suited for military training. When I was young, I spent many hours playing soldier with neighborhood boys using store-bought and make-shift toy weapons.

You may have been taken in by some black legends about arranged marriages. Catholic arranged marriages always involved agreement of the participants. If you disbelieve the common knowledge that Catholic arranged marriage was once widespread, read the histories of authors like William Thomas Walsh or perhaps take in a few of Shakespeare's plays.

In principle the Church supported free marriage and usually exercised its authority in favor of free marriage choice.

Depending on the time and place, marriage certainly could be forced - or virtually forced.  And you don't have to go back to the middle ages.  In fact laws were changed more in modern times (for example, in the 18th Century) to give parents more power - and these laws were distinctly anti-clerical in their intent and application.

There are always people who want to use their local influence to be unreasonably domineering.  Anyone suggesting that groups like the SSPX should return to arranged marriages should understand the kind of abuses that would be ripe for.  Indeed, even without explicitly arranged marriages, abuses are already occurring.  The pretty young women are seen as a source of potential revenue.

Prior to the conquest of society by the bankster class, the primary profession of all the noble born was that of knight and soldier. Boys from these families were trained as squires from the earliest ages. The Scottish Catholic Highland clans trained boys in warfare until that culture was wiped out in the mid Eighteenth century. Millitary orders took in boys at a young age. Boys are naturally suited for military training. When I was young, I spent many hours after school playing soldier neighborhood boys using store-bought and make-shift toy weapons.

A military school, or "military discipline" at school, in an SSPX where some priests give sermons against homeschooling - demanding that children go to their schools - is about manipulation and control, and people with a strong desire to control others.  It's not about learning to shoot, or training for a future life as a soldier.  It's not something for priests to be encouraging.

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The evolving legal principles that Father Sheehan found most apparent throughout the period were the Church's insistence on the validity of personal choice with respect to marriage partners and household formation. Seigneurial, community, and family control over marriage found little or no place in the church courts. Beyond personal choice, the Church sought to make marriages public though the institution of banns, as a means to preventing improper unions of those barred from a sanctified wedding--those related within forbidden degrees, those in holy orders, and those who were already betrothed or married. Cases that appeared in the church courts demonstrated the more frequent use of the courts as a means of proving the validity of marriage rather than as a route to annulment. Father Sheehan thus concluded that the Church was a critical factor in the formation of households based on the personal choice of the marriage partners. His works were among the earliest to demonstrate the agency of the Church in the establishment of independent nuclear households.

http://www.h-net.org/reviews/showrev.php?id=2054

This could be a modern-thinking Catholic embarrassed over the of the non-politically correct Catholic past and therefore attempting to revise the common knowledge.

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You may have been taken in by some black legends about arranged marriages. Catholic arranged marriages always involved agreement of the participants. If you disbelieve the common knowledge that Catholic arranged marriage was once widespread, read the histories of authors like William Thomas Walsh or perhaps take in a few of Shakespeare's plays.

In principle the Church supported free marriage and usually exercised its authority in favor of free marriage choice.

Depending on the time and place, marriage certainly could be forced - or virtually forced.  And you don't have to go back to the middle ages.  In fact laws were changed more in modern times (for example, in the 18th Century) to give parents more power - and these laws were distinctly anti-clerical in their intent and application.

There are always people who want to use their local influence to be unreasonably domineering.  Anyone suggesting that groups like the SSPX should return to arranged marriages should understand the kind of abuses that would be ripe for.  Indeed, even without explicitly arranged marriages, abuses are already occurring.  The pretty young women are seen as a source of potential revenue.

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Prior to the conquest of society by the bankster class, the primary profession of all the noble born was that of knight and soldier. Boys from these families were trained as squires from the earliest ages. The Scottish Catholic Highland clans trained boys in warfare until that culture was wiped out in the mid Eighteenth century. Millitary orders took in boys at a young age. Boys are naturally suited for military training. When I was young, I spent many hours after school playing soldier neighborhood boys using store-bought and make-shift toy weapons.

A military school, or "military discipline" at school, in an SSPX where some priests give sermons against homeschooling - demanding that children go to their schools - is about manipulation and control, and people with a strong desire to control others.  It's not about learning to shoot, or training for a future life as a soldier.  It's not something for priests to be encouraging.

The principles of arraigned marriage and military schooling for boys are historically well-established, consistent with natural law, and vastly superior the modern customs of marriage and boy education. These principles are not absolute, but have been implemented on a sliding scale basis, fine-tuned to strengthen family and communal ties and develop masculinity in boys.

Bankster-financed moral usurpers notably oppose these principals, perhaps in order to atomize individuals and foster gender role-reversal.

I am on record opposing SSPX cultishness but that is a separate matter.