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Offline Against the Heresies

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Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
« Reply #15 on: February 03, 2025, 08:42:14 AM »
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  • Does this email exist on the internet? Often newsletter's have a "view in browser" function. Or can we see screengrabs?
    This email is not publicly accessible via the Internet. It is sent every Monday (hence its name "Montagsaussendung" = "Monday mailing" or "Monday dispatch") to those who have signed up to receive it.


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    Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
    « Reply #16 on: February 03, 2025, 08:43:06 AM »
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  • Only in your head.

    Please explain what is the Novus Ordo church...

    And then what elements of it thereof you think make it part of the true Church...

    No matter what the topic is, you're absolutely obesessive-compulsively obsessed with your own retardation, so that you stalk me around CI (unable to refute, or, even comprehend, so much as a word of what I wrote) like some raving lunatic restating the same strawman over and over again.

    At no point did I say or believe that the "Novus Ordo church ... [is] ... part of the true Church".  Only in your overt stupidity can you keep thinking that I ever said this, and a brain fogged by your radically schismatic mental and spiritual defectiveness.

    So, try reading this sentence 100 times over and over again, slowly, until you understand it.  While it may cause you excruciating mental pain, it's necessary:

    Some people in the Novus Ordo (aka Conciliar) Church may still be Catholic due to being in material error only, while continuing to profess the faith and intending to adhere to (what they wrongly believe to be) the Magisterium, and that intent to adhere to the Magisterium is the formal motive of faith. 

    This does not mean that the Conciliar Church his part of the Church, just as when St. Vincent Ferrer was subject to an Antipope, he remained a Catholic due to his error being only material in nature.


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    Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
    « Reply #17 on: February 03, 2025, 08:45:56 AM »
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  • This (Joannes) is what happens when morons who don't know even the basics of Aristotelian/scholastic logic (and philosophy) attempt to make theological declarations from their armchairs.

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    Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
    « Reply #18 on: February 03, 2025, 08:47:18 AM »
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  • This email is not publicly accessible via the Internet. It is sent every Monday (hence its name "Montagsaussendung" = "Monday mailing" or "Monday dispatch") to those who have signed up to receive it.

    :laugh1: ... who would even know it existed in the first place to sign up for?  I think I might pass, or else filter it into the same junk folder into which I'll send various other spam.

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    Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
    « Reply #19 on: February 03, 2025, 09:40:08 AM »
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  • We warned him on several occasions about his comments on the h0Ɩ0cαųst, but to no avail. This led to the unfortunate interview for Swedish television on November 1, 2008, which at the end of January 2009 labeled the Society in Germany as "fascist, anti-Semitic" etc., a label we had been struggling with for years.
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    For those who understand German, here is the original text:

    Bischof Williamson war Engländer, Konvertit aus dem Anglikanismus, ein sehr gebildeter, sprachbegabter, intelligenter und fähiger Mann. Als solcher hat er viel Gutes in der Bruderschaft bewirkt, und dies war der Grund, weswegen ihn Erzbischof Lefebvre am 30. Juni 1988 mit den drei anderen Kandidaten zum Bioschof konsekriert hat.

    Doch konnte man gewisse Schwächen bei ihm nicht übersehen, die schließlich aufgrund ihrer Zu-nahme vor etlichen Jahren zu seiner Trennung von der Bruderschaft führten:

    Er hatte seine Schwierigkeiten damit, Gnade und Natur zu verbinden. Einerseits war er sehr gern bereit, Botschaften, Erscheinungen und anderen übernatürlichen Phänomenen Glaubwürdigkeit zuzusprechen; andererseits neigte er zu einem gewissen Naturalismus, indem er der Politik und den Zeiterscheinungen einen übermäßigen Platz in seinen Predigten und Vorträgen einräumte.

    Wir warnten ihn verschiedentlich wegen seiner Äußerungen zum h0Ɩ0cαųst; ohne Erfolg. So kam es am 1. November 2008 zu dem unglücklichen Interview für das schwedische Fernsehen, das Ende Januar 2009 der Bruderschaft gerade in Deutschland das Etikett "faschistisch, antisemitisch" etc. umgehängt hat, mit der wir jahrelang zu kämpfen hatten.

    Seine Widersetzlichkeit den Autoritäten der Bruderschaft gegenüber machte schließlich eine Trennung unabdingbar.

    Die Irrungen und Verwirrungen, die er in den folgenden Jahren durch seine Kyrie-eleison-Kommentare hervorgerufen hat, möge Gott ihm verzeihen, noch mehr seine Bischofskonsekrationen, die jeder objektiven Notwendigkeit und jedem sensus ecclisiae entbehrten und entbehren.

    Möge Gott ihm vielmehr seine früheren Verdienste reichlich belohnen. R.I.P.
    Lad beat me to the punch!  Who is "we" supposed to represent?  It did not occur to me that the SSPX had an official h0Ɩ0cαųst Historian, in fact, is there anyone in the SSPX competent to argue the h0Ɩ0h0αx?  If there is, I have not met him.  This letter is ridiculous, very insubstantial.  It is easy to write about the dead due their inability to defend themselves.  Fr. Sch.  ought to read David Irving, whom Bp. Williamson knew personally.  Perhaps the "we" in Fr. Schi.'s letter will correct David Irving too!  Thanks for the letter, I officially wasted three minutes of my life. 
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    Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
    « Reply #20 on: February 03, 2025, 09:50:37 AM »
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  • Lad beat me to the punch!  Who is "we" supposed to represent?  It did not occur to me that the SSPX had an official h0Ɩ0cαųst Historian, in fact, is there anyone in the SSPX competent to argue the h0Ɩ0h0αx?  If there is, I have not met him.  This letter is ridiculous, very insubstantial.  It is easy to write about the dead due their inability to defend themselves.  Fr. Sch.  ought to read David Irving, whom Bp. Williamson knew personally.  Perhaps the "we" in Fr. Schi.'s letter will correct David Irving too!  Thanks for the letter, I officially wasted three minutes of my life.
    You go against the h0Ɩ0h0αx narrative as a religion, they are coming after you. First and foremost the money will go. Can take that one to the bank.

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    Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
    « Reply #21 on: February 03, 2025, 09:53:43 AM »
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  • I told Bp. Williamson in class one day, "Remember my Lord, there is no salvation outside the Church for those who deny the h0Ɩ0cαųst."  He thought that was funny.  
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    Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
    « Reply #22 on: February 03, 2025, 10:43:48 AM »
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  • Hey, you two obstreperous organisms! Take your insults elsewhere. This thread is supposed to be about Fr. Schmidberger’s excremental eulogy. 

    Note: I called the eulogy 💩, not Fr. Schmidberger. 


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    Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
    « Reply #23 on: February 03, 2025, 11:36:39 AM »
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  • Hey, you two obstreperous organisms! Take your insults elsewhere. This thread is supposed to be about Fr. Schmidberger’s excremental eulogy.

    Note: I called the eulogy 💩, not Fr. Schmidberger.

    So, the use of the term "concrete Church" as the main point of Schmidberger's attack on the Resistance is in fact discussing the eulogy, since the main force of the attack was that ... alongside Bishop Williamson's "disobedience" their directives not to speak about the h0Ɩ0h0αx, and his sermons being too political.  It was the obsessive-compulsive nutjob Johannes here who decided to twist it into some debate about the Conciliar Church.  Every single thread I post on, this jackass brings up the fact that he can't accept how people can be in the Conciliar Church and still be Catholics, due to material error.

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    Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
    « Reply #24 on: February 03, 2025, 11:45:25 AM »
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  • Well, I just want to discuss - and I didn't bring up the topic of the Church - he did.

    I would be happy to debate him over here:
    Poll: Are members of the Novus Ordo Schismatics? - Crisis in the Church - Catholic Info

    And, if the SSPX is all overrun and given in to the Modernists then is it really any surprise what they say about +Williamson?
    Good idea. Move the discussion to a more appropriate thread.
    No, it’s not surprising that Bp. W. is treated poorly by those given to compromise with modernism. What IS surprising is that a higher up like Fr. Schmidberger would do so only four days after his death!  
    It wins my “Totally Tasteless Award” of the week. 

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    Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
    « Reply #25 on: February 03, 2025, 11:46:22 AM »
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  • However, certain weaknesses in him could not be overlooked, which, as they increased, ultimately led to his separation from the Society several years ago:

    He had difficulty reconciling grace and nature. On the one hand, he was very willing to give credence to messages, apparitions and other supernatural phenomena; on the other hand, he tended towards a certain naturalism, giving politics and contemporary phenomena an excessive amount of space in his sermons and lectures.

    We warned him on several occasions about his comments on the h0Ɩ0cαųst, but to no avail. This led to the unfortunate interview for Swedish television on November 1, 2008, which at the end of January 2009 labeled the Society in Germany as "fascist, anti-Semitic" etc., a label we had been struggling with for years.

    His defiance of the Society's authorities ultimately made a separation inevitable.

    God forgive him for the errors and confusion he caused in the years that followed with his Kyrie eleison comments, and even more so for his episcopal consecrations, which lacked and still lack any objective necessity and any sensus ecclesiae


    So after a brief paragraph talking about Bishop Williamson's good qualities, he spends the bulk of his time attacking Bishop Williamson for:

    -- certain weaknesses in him
    -- that led to his separation from SSPX (so it was entirely his fault, and SSPX are blameless)
    -- difficult reconciling grace and natural
    -- excessively credulous toward messages, apparitions, etc.
    -- excessive naturalism by focusing too much on politics in his sermons and lectures
    -- we warned him (who are you? and who is "we"?)
    -- compromised us after dealing with charges of "anti-Semitism"
    -- defiance of Society's authorities
    -- errors and confusion caused in KE comments
    -- episcopal consecrations that lack any objective necessity (Schmidberger = measure of objectivity) and any sensus ecclesiae

    So one could spend a long time on each of these points, and I will take them up one by one in defense of His Excellency as I have time, possibly putting them all together later and publishing an open rejection of Schmidberger's vile attack




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    Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
    « Reply #26 on: February 03, 2025, 11:56:28 AM »
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  • Does anyone have Schmidberger's email conveniently at hand?
    No, but you can write to the Genral House and have them forward your letter:

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    Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
    « Reply #27 on: February 03, 2025, 12:01:48 PM »
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  • -- certain weaknesses in him
    -- that led to his separation from SSPX (so it was entirely his fault, and SSPX are blameless)

    So, while Schmidberger does soften the attack by referring to them as "weaknesses", he holds Bishop Williamsoon entirely (100%) responsible for their "separation", without admitting any fault on the par of the Society, kindof like a couple divorcing always blame the other party completely.  This attempting to cover up any blemish on the "Society" is probably the same mentality that they have when attempting to cover up and protect various sɛҳuąƖ predators.  While we attack Wojtyla et al. for "apologizing" on behalf of "the Church", SSPX seem to have the same attitude, that SSPX should always be held blameless, as if it were effectively the Church.  In fact, as we will see reinforced later, they do seem to think that the SSPX has all the notes, qualities, and attributes of the Church, as if the SSPX were the "spotless bride of Christ" -- while the Conciliar Church, the "concrete" Church I guess, has become thoroughly corrupt.  So SSPX are the "ideal" Church?  This entire thing is pathetically absurd.

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    Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
    « Reply #28 on: February 03, 2025, 12:06:00 PM »
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  • I vaguely recall after Bishop Williamson had discussed how the Germans (who in his estimation, while being good at other things, completely suck at philosophy), even German Cahtolics, have had this inordinate admiration for Kant, having been perhaps their most renowned "philosopher" ... and I kindof recall him taking a subtle swipe at the German Trads (perhaps even Schmidberger) for being somewhat contaminated by this thinking themselves [...]

    I remember Fr. Iscara taught us this in one of his classes. I remember he taught that Germans have a tendency (with their high IQs) to build huge ivory towers of thought, and basically to lose touch with reality. (I would continue with: philosophically, they get lost, like a helium balloon some kid let go of, and they spin off into the sky, into left field.)

    Intelligence and the ability to abstract are almost synonymous. But so is creativity -- including the ability to come up with a whole house of cards built on nonsense. The Germans do have a lot of intelligence. But perhaps too much? Because they quickly detach themselves from reality, with their abstractions in matters of philosophy. They are so prone to getting detached from reality.

    And you know Fr. Iscara's inimitable sense of humor. He concluded with, "and if anyone tells Fr. [Wolfgang] Goettler I said this, and they send me to the African missions as a punishment -- I'll make sure to request you as an assistant."

    Along these same lines, I heard legends and stories of a great Trad philosophy professor who took his students out for some kind of break, and made them shovel manure for a bit. To keep them grounded in reality. It's hard to spin off into subjectivism "it's all in my head!" when you're shoveling heavy, smelly dung which is very CLEARLY existing in objective reality.

    There's a reason why farmers, and rural folk in general, are more grounded in reality. If you have a herd of (female) cows, you're not going to have any baby cows. You can be as liberal as you want, as virtue-signalling, as LGBTQ friendly as you think you should be. But if you fail to have a bull in your herd, there will be no calves. Farmers get common sense for free, as a bonus, with their vocation.
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    Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
    « Reply #29 on: February 03, 2025, 12:16:28 PM »
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  • This attempting to cover up any blemish on the "Society" is probably the same mentality that they have when attempting to cover up and protect various sɛҳuąƖ predators.  While we attack Wojtyla et al. for "apologizing" on behalf of "the Church", SSPX seem to have the same attitude, that SSPX should always be held blameless, as if it were effectively the Church.  In fact, as we will see reinforced later, they do seem to think that the SSPX has all the notes, qualities, and attributes of the Church, as if the SSPX were the "spotless bride of Christ" -- while the Conciliar Church, the "concrete" Church I guess, has become thoroughly corrupt.  So SSPX are the "ideal" Church?  This entire thing is pathetically absurd.

    To be fair, this was the SSPX's fatal flaw even in "the good old days" (e.g., the 1980's).

    My old priest I grew up with (from age 3 until I entered the seminary), Fr. Slupski, used to work with the SSPX before parting ways with them.

    Both he and Thomas Nelson had the same opinion on the SSPX: on the one hand they're hardcore Trads, they keep the Faith without compromise, but on the other hand they think they're the Church. In other words, the SSPX doesn't think they are PART OF the Catholic Church, but that they ARE the Catholic Church.

    Looking back on all my experience -- I can't say that these men were wrong. The SSPX, as an organization, got a bit high on itself, in its position as 800 lb Gorilla of Tradition. And many of the men in the SSPX internalized and expressed this attitude.

    If you're unclear what I mean by 800 lb gorilla, google it. It's a very handy expression that conveys a precise idea. The SSPX is absolutely the 800 lb gorilla in the world of Tradition.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/800-pound_gorilla
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