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Author Topic: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson  (Read 57496 times)

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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
« Reply #25 on: February 03, 2025, 11:46:22 AM »
However, certain weaknesses in him could not be overlooked, which, as they increased, ultimately led to his separation from the Society several years ago:

He had difficulty reconciling grace and nature. On the one hand, he was very willing to give credence to messages, apparitions and other supernatural phenomena; on the other hand, he tended towards a certain naturalism, giving politics and contemporary phenomena an excessive amount of space in his sermons and lectures.

We warned him on several occasions about his comments on the h0Ɩ0cαųst, but to no avail. This led to the unfortunate interview for Swedish television on November 1, 2008, which at the end of January 2009 labeled the Society in Germany as "fascist, anti-Semitic" etc., a label we had been struggling with for years.

His defiance of the Society's authorities ultimately made a separation inevitable.

God forgive him for the errors and confusion he caused in the years that followed with his Kyrie eleison comments, and even more so for his episcopal consecrations, which lacked and still lack any objective necessity and any sensus ecclesiae


So after a brief paragraph talking about Bishop Williamson's good qualities, he spends the bulk of his time attacking Bishop Williamson for:

-- certain weaknesses in him
-- that led to his separation from SSPX (so it was entirely his fault, and SSPX are blameless)
-- difficult reconciling grace and natural
-- excessively credulous toward messages, apparitions, etc.
-- excessive naturalism by focusing too much on politics in his sermons and lectures
-- we warned him (who are you? and who is "we"?)
-- compromised us after dealing with charges of "anti-Semitism"
-- defiance of Society's authorities
-- errors and confusion caused in KE comments
-- episcopal consecrations that lack any objective necessity (Schmidberger = measure of objectivity) and any sensus ecclesiae

So one could spend a long time on each of these points, and I will take them up one by one in defense of His Excellency as I have time, possibly putting them all together later and publishing an open rejection of Schmidberger's vile attack



Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
« Reply #26 on: February 03, 2025, 11:56:28 AM »
Does anyone have Schmidberger's email conveniently at hand?
No, but you can write to the Genral House and have them forward your letter:

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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
« Reply #27 on: February 03, 2025, 12:01:48 PM »
-- certain weaknesses in him
-- that led to his separation from SSPX (so it was entirely his fault, and SSPX are blameless)

So, while Schmidberger does soften the attack by referring to them as "weaknesses", he holds Bishop Williamsoon entirely (100%) responsible for their "separation", without admitting any fault on the par of the Society, kindof like a couple divorcing always blame the other party completely.  This attempting to cover up any blemish on the "Society" is probably the same mentality that they have when attempting to cover up and protect various sɛҳuąƖ predators.  While we attack Wojtyla et al. for "apologizing" on behalf of "the Church", SSPX seem to have the same attitude, that SSPX should always be held blameless, as if it were effectively the Church.  In fact, as we will see reinforced later, they do seem to think that the SSPX has all the notes, qualities, and attributes of the Church, as if the SSPX were the "spotless bride of Christ" -- while the Conciliar Church, the "concrete" Church I guess, has become thoroughly corrupt.  So SSPX are the "ideal" Church?  This entire thing is pathetically absurd.

Offline Matthew

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Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
« Reply #28 on: February 03, 2025, 12:06:00 PM »
I vaguely recall after Bishop Williamson had discussed how the Germans (who in his estimation, while being good at other things, completely suck at philosophy), even German Cahtolics, have had this inordinate admiration for Kant, having been perhaps their most renowned "philosopher" ... and I kindof recall him taking a subtle swipe at the German Trads (perhaps even Schmidberger) for being somewhat contaminated by this thinking themselves [...]

I remember Fr. Iscara taught us this in one of his classes. I remember he taught that Germans have a tendency (with their high IQs) to build huge ivory towers of thought, and basically to lose touch with reality. (I would continue with: philosophically, they get lost, like a helium balloon some kid let go of, and they spin off into the sky, into left field.)

Intelligence and the ability to abstract are almost synonymous. But so is creativity -- including the ability to come up with a whole house of cards built on nonsense. The Germans do have a lot of intelligence. But perhaps too much? Because they quickly detach themselves from reality, with their abstractions in matters of philosophy. They are so prone to getting detached from reality.

And you know Fr. Iscara's inimitable sense of humor. He concluded with, "and if anyone tells Fr. [Wolfgang] Goettler I said this, and they send me to the African missions as a punishment -- I'll make sure to request you as an assistant."

Along these same lines, I heard legends and stories of a great Trad philosophy professor who took his students out for some kind of break, and made them shovel manure for a bit. To keep them grounded in reality. It's hard to spin off into subjectivism "it's all in my head!" when you're shoveling heavy, smelly dung which is very CLEARLY existing in objective reality.

There's a reason why farmers, and rural folk in general, are more grounded in reality. If you have a herd of (female) cows, you're not going to have any baby cows. You can be as liberal as you want, as virtue-signalling, as LGBTQ friendly as you think you should be. But if you fail to have a bull in your herd, there will be no calves. Farmers get common sense for free, as a bonus, with their vocation.

Offline Matthew

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Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
« Reply #29 on: February 03, 2025, 12:16:28 PM »
This attempting to cover up any blemish on the "Society" is probably the same mentality that they have when attempting to cover up and protect various sɛҳuąƖ predators.  While we attack Wojtyla et al. for "apologizing" on behalf of "the Church", SSPX seem to have the same attitude, that SSPX should always be held blameless, as if it were effectively the Church.  In fact, as we will see reinforced later, they do seem to think that the SSPX has all the notes, qualities, and attributes of the Church, as if the SSPX were the "spotless bride of Christ" -- while the Conciliar Church, the "concrete" Church I guess, has become thoroughly corrupt.  So SSPX are the "ideal" Church?  This entire thing is pathetically absurd.

To be fair, this was the SSPX's fatal flaw even in "the good old days" (e.g., the 1980's).

My old priest I grew up with (from age 3 until I entered the seminary), Fr. Slupski, used to work with the SSPX before parting ways with them.

Both he and Thomas Nelson had the same opinion on the SSPX: on the one hand they're hardcore Trads, they keep the Faith without compromise, but on the other hand they think they're the Church. In other words, the SSPX doesn't think they are PART OF the Catholic Church, but that they ARE the Catholic Church.

Looking back on all my experience -- I can't say that these men were wrong. The SSPX, as an organization, got a bit high on itself, in its position as 800 lb Gorilla of Tradition. And many of the men in the SSPX internalized and expressed this attitude.

If you're unclear what I mean by 800 lb gorilla, google it. It's a very handy expression that conveys a precise idea. The SSPX is absolutely the 800 lb gorilla in the world of Tradition.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/800-pound_gorilla