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Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2025, 04:35:31 AM »
Yes, Fr. Schmidberger needs our prayers. My comment is not intended in the sense of being complete and final. The fact Remains that a priest in a high position as is Fr. S, publishing such a disdainful letter brings shame on the SSPX more than anything Bp. W. ever wrote or said, either before or after his departure from the Society. 
I suspect both Archbishop LeFebvre and Bp. Williamson, Bp. Tissier, too, are “turning in their graves” whilst interceding for Fr. S. 
Maybe hatred was too strong a word. Is “intense dislike” better? I hope Fr. Schmidberger doesn’t write my eulogy! 

It seems to me Fr. Schmidberger wrote what he did in a fit of emotion and hit SEND before thinking it over. 

Let us pray for Fr. Schmidberger. Harboring “intense dislike” of one who has now gone to his judgment, who can neither defend nor amend, is a heavy burden to carry on one’s conscience. 

Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2025, 05:16:38 AM »
A truly scandalous statement by Father Schmidberger...

We warned him on several occasions about his comments on the h0Ɩ0cαųst, but to no avail. This led to the unfortunate interview for Swedish television on November 1, 2008, which at the end of January 2009 labeled the Society in Germany as "fascist, anti-Semitic" etc., a label we had been struggling with for years.
Right you are AtH, truly scandalous.

We have it there in a nutshell, the reason for Bishop Williamson's marginalisation and expulsion: fear of the Jews.

Perhaps this is why we heard nothing out of Fr Schmidberger when the then District Superior of South America Fr Bouchacourt proclaimed that the Jews did not commit deicide: evidently history is of no account for Fr Schmidberger, what matters for the SSPX is good relations with the Jews: https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/the-Jєωιѕн-people-did-not-commit-the-deicide/

Fr Bouchacourt confirms Fr Schmidberger's reason given for the expulsion of Bishop Williamson: https://www.clarin.com/edicion-impresa/fraternidad-san-pio-catolicos-francisco_0_BkiN5objP7e.html: For Father Cristian Bouchacourt, Superior of the Fraternity in the District, born in France, the Williamson case is a bad memory. "From that statement, he's no longer with us," he explains. And he cares to clarify: We're not nαzιs... Q. Do you defend the deicide, which imputed to the Jews the death of Jesus, as was the vision of the Holy See before the Council? A. The Jєωιѕн people didn't commit the deicide...

Why are we not surprised that instead of being exiled for such a grave statement, Fr Bouchacourt was not expelled like Bishop Williamson, no, he was promoted to Superior for France and then Second Assistant to the Superior General.

Dear SSPXers, are you stupid? Are you blind? For how long will you put up with this mockery?

Of course, when we know that this whole episode was in fact a deliberate trap set by Fr Shmidberger's friends, https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/interview-with-bishop-stobnicki/msg939106/#msg939106, when we know that they wanted Bishop Williamson to fall into this trap and utter these words about the 'h0Ɩ0cαųst', then it becomes clear just how sordid this whole affair really was and it becomes obvious to anyone who does not want to be deceived that this pretext for expelling Bishop Williamson, which Fr Schmidberger perpetuates, was in fact the premeditated means by which the enemy in the Society sought to remove their greatest obstacle (Bishop Williamson) to destroying the work of Tradition through an accord with modernist Rome.



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Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2025, 06:42:43 AM »

We warned him on several occasions about his comments on the h0Ɩ0cαųst, but to no avail. This led to the unfortunate interview for Swedish television on November 1, 2008, which at the end of January 2009 labeled the Society in Germany as "fascist, anti-Semitic" etc., a label we had been struggling with for years.

His defiance of the Society's authorities ultimately made a separation inevitable.

I've always found the Society's fake "authority" to be one of their most obnoxious self-contradictions.  Look, you're refusing submission to the man you hold to be the Vicar of Christ, who is, per the dogmatic teaching of Vatican I, the source and font of all authority in the Church after Christ Himself, from whom he in turn receives it, being His Vicar.  Newsflash, Schmidberger, +Fellay, Pagliarani ... YOU HAVE NO AUTHORITY!  Among Traditional Catholics the only authority is moral authority, and so I find it repugnant that the man who had hands down the greatest moral authority in the Society should be taking commands from a no-account punk like Schmidberger (who does he think he is speaking to a bishop like this, and THE bishop chosen by +Lefebvre to carry on his legacy?).  Somehow Schmidberger considers himself part of the "we" who had some alleged authority over His Excellency.

They're badgered, persecuted, and attacked priests for decades for being "disobedient" when they were merely following their consciences in a different direction than SSPX, either going FSSP, or Maronite, or Sedevacantists, etc.  They had every much a right for their faith to be greater than their obedience as they did, in fact, a thousand times the right, since in disobeying the putative Vicar of Christ, they themselves are severed from the font of all authority in the Church and have no right to demand it of anyone else.

For a Society that since its very inception has harped upon how the Modernists used "false authority" to draw people in to their errors, they themselves believe THEY enjoy some charism of infallibility that the Vicar of Christ lacks, and some authority to impose their "positions" on consciences that the Vicar of Christ lacks?  Utter hogwash.  And this insistence on "obedience" from the priests has been the chief warning sign to me from the start they had been infiltrated, since they're using this very same tactic that had worked for them before to wreck the larger Church, false authority.  And good old Schmidtie has long been at the top of my list of suspects.  If there has ever been a priest who lacked any sense of what I would consider piety or devotion (the hardest part of being a priest for an infiltrator to fake), it's been Schmidberger, just mechanically going through the Mass and Office, etc. ... without any sense that he was actually internally immersed in them.  Then this guy somehow became Superior (based on what? ... as he did not stand out in any respect), and was giving orders to bishops?  Even before I started studying Catholic ecclesiology in depth, i.e. when I was a newbie who knew next to nothing, EVEN BACK THEN I realized the obvious in-your-face contradiction of hammering people with "authority" when your very raison d'etre entails having separated from the authority of Christ's Vicar.

I suspect His Excellency shared this same distaste / disgust toward this fake pseudo-authority that I have had for years, and that's why he shied away from creating his own organization, over which he'd have any authority.  I do think he should have leveraged his moral authority to retain control of SSPX (between himself and Tissier, he could have caused a revolt there, which would have been welcome given the Society's pollution with Modernism since then), and they could have wrested control of the SSPX from +Fellay, Schmidberger, et al.  But that's in the past now.

In fact, when I was still in Winona, so this would have been early 1990s, just a short time after Archbishop Lefebvre's death, Bishop Williamson predicted a fragmentation of the Society precisely because he felt that it was only the moral authority of +Lefebvre that had been the glue holding it together, and that the rest was artificial authority, and that the SSPX only had the role of being a "pilot light" that could ignite once the actual institutional Church gets restored to what it was.

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Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2025, 06:45:45 AM »
Question: But what will the people of the “Resistance” say?

Answer: We cannot perform our actions to please people who quite obviously have lost their sense of the Church and love of the Church in her concrete form.

"Church in her concrete form" is the biggest load of hogwash I've ever seen to justify, at the same time, their own continued lack of "full communion" (a Vatican II Modernist term, by the way) with the putative Holy See and yet condemning the Resistance for doing the same.  I'll get back to that later when I have time, but it's a complete load of bovine excrement, a total novelty.

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Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2025, 06:49:57 AM »
"Church in her concrete form" is the biggest load of hogwash I've ever seen to justify, at the same time, their own continued lack of "full communion" (a Vatican II Modernist term, by the way) with the putative Holy See and yet condemning the Resistance for doing the same.  I'll get back to that later when I have time, but it's a complete load of bovine excrement, a total novelty.

To say nothing of the fact that it sounds like some Kantian garbage ... whereas Traditionally various theologians tried to distinguish between the soul of the Church and the Body, which distinction Pius XII rejected in Mystici Corporis as explained well by Msgr. Fenton ... and the Aristotelian / Thomistic distinction would be between material and formal.  So instead of relying upon well-established philosophical/theological ideas, they make up this amorphous new term, "concrete"?  Over a thousand years of Aristotelian/Thomistic philosophy wasn't good enough for you, where the meanings of the terms of very clear, so you have to make up this bogus term, probably off the pages of Kant (whom Bishop Williamson rightly despised)?

So, to what is the "Church in her concrete form" opposed, to the "Church as an idea", i.e. the idea of the Church?  Such as when you pay lip service to the "Vicar of Christ" as some kind of idea but then continue to remain separated from the "concrete" Vicar of Christ ... i.e. for all intents and purposes?