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Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
« on: February 03, 2025, 01:51:04 AM »
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  • A truly scandalous statement by Father Schmidberger on the death of Bishop Williamson. It was published today in his weekly newsletter, which was sent by email on Monday February 3rd.

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    Bishop Williamson was English, a convert from Anglicanism, a very educated, linguistically gifted, intelligent and capable man. As such, he did a lot of good in the Society and this was the reason why Archbishop Lefebvre consecrated him as bishop on 30 June 1988 with the three other candidates.

    However, certain weaknesses in him could not be overlooked, which, as they increased, ultimately led to his separation from the Society several years ago:

    He had difficulty reconciling grace and nature. On the one hand, he was very willing to give credence to messages, apparitions and other supernatural phenomena; on the other hand, he tended towards a certain naturalism, giving politics and contemporary phenomena an excessive amount of space in his sermons and lectures.

    We warned him on several occasions about his comments on the h0Ɩ0cαųst, but to no avail. This led to the unfortunate interview for Swedish television on November 1, 2008, which at the end of January 2009 labeled the Society in Germany as "fascist, anti-Semitic" etc., a label we had been struggling with for years.

    His defiance of the Society's authorities ultimately made a separation inevitable.

    God forgive him for the errors and confusion he caused in the years that followed with his Kyrie eleison comments, and even more so for his episcopal consecrations, which lacked and still lack any objective necessity and any sensus ecclesiae.

    Rather, may God richly reward him for his previous merits. R.I.P.

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    For those who understand German, here is the original text:

    Bischof Williamson war Engländer, Konvertit aus dem Anglikanismus, ein sehr gebildeter, sprachbegabter, intelligenter und fähiger Mann. Als solcher hat er viel Gutes in der Bruderschaft bewirkt, und dies war der Grund, weswegen ihn Erzbischof Lefebvre am 30. Juni 1988 mit den drei anderen Kandidaten zum Bioschof konsekriert hat.

    Doch konnte man gewisse Schwächen bei ihm nicht übersehen, die schließlich aufgrund ihrer Zu-nahme vor etlichen Jahren zu seiner Trennung von der Bruderschaft führten:

    Er hatte seine Schwierigkeiten damit, Gnade und Natur zu verbinden. Einerseits war er sehr gern bereit, Botschaften, Erscheinungen und anderen übernatürlichen Phänomenen Glaubwürdigkeit zuzusprechen; andererseits neigte er zu einem gewissen Naturalismus, indem er der Politik und den Zeiterscheinungen einen übermäßigen Platz in seinen Predigten und Vorträgen einräumte.

    Wir warnten ihn verschiedentlich wegen seiner Äußerungen zum h0Ɩ0cαųst; ohne Erfolg. So kam es am 1. November 2008 zu dem unglücklichen Interview für das schwedische Fernsehen, das Ende Januar 2009 der Bruderschaft gerade in Deutschland das Etikett "faschistisch, antisemitisch" etc. umgehängt hat, mit der wir jahrelang zu kämpfen hatten.

    Seine Widersetzlichkeit den Autoritäten der Bruderschaft gegenüber machte schließlich eine Trennung unabdingbar.

    Die Irrungen und Verwirrungen, die er in den folgenden Jahren durch seine Kyrie-eleison-Kommentare hervorgerufen hat, möge Gott ihm verzeihen, noch mehr seine Bischofskonsekrationen, die jeder objektiven Notwendigkeit und jedem sensus ecclisiae entbehrten und entbehren.

    Möge Gott ihm vielmehr seine früheren Verdienste reichlich belohnen. R.I.P.




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    Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
    « Reply #1 on: February 03, 2025, 02:53:17 AM »
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  • Hmmm… we see in Schmidberger the stereotypical Jєωιѕн penchant for spitting on the graves of their foes.


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    Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
    « Reply #2 on: February 03, 2025, 02:54:27 AM »
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  • 😢  The thoughts of Fr. Schmidberger are clear. How hatred blinds. Fr. S. expresses in his eulogy those very evils of which he accuses the bishop; lack of respect for authority, failure to reconcile grace and nature, sowing of error and confusion, having bad judgment, and without sensus ecclesiae. Better to have remained silent. 😢 

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    Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
    « Reply #3 on: February 03, 2025, 02:57:58 AM »
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  • Does anyone have Schmidberger's email conveniently at hand?

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    Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
    « Reply #4 on: February 03, 2025, 04:02:52 AM »
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  • 😢  The thoughts of Fr. Schmidberger are clear. How hatred blinds. Fr. S. expresses in his eulogy those very evils of which he accuses the bishop; lack of respect for authority, failure to reconcile grace and nature, sowing of error and confusion, having bad judgment, and without sensus ecclesiae. Better to have remained silent. 😢
    Yes! Although I don't believe it is hatred, truly it is the very things of which he accuses Bishop Williamson as you say that are his own downfall and blind him to these supernatural realities, which give him a too naturalistic vision of the Church. We can only hope and pray for him what he prays for Bishop Williamson: God forgive him for the errors and confusion he has spread in recent years and reward him for all the good he has done in the past.

    Recall this docuмent from 2016 where he promotes an agreement with the Rome of Pope Francis: https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2016/04/considerations-schmidberger-letter.html:

    Answers to some objections:

    Question: But what will the people of the “Resistance” say?

    Answer: We cannot perform our actions to please people who quite obviously have lost their sense of the Church and love of the Church in her concrete form.


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    Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
    « Reply #5 on: February 03, 2025, 04:35:31 AM »
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  • Yes, Fr. Schmidberger needs our prayers. My comment is not intended in the sense of being complete and final. The fact Remains that a priest in a high position as is Fr. S, publishing such a disdainful letter brings shame on the SSPX more than anything Bp. W. ever wrote or said, either before or after his departure from the Society. 
    I suspect both Archbishop LeFebvre and Bp. Williamson, Bp. Tissier, too, are “turning in their graves” whilst interceding for Fr. S. 
    Maybe hatred was too strong a word. Is “intense dislike” better? I hope Fr. Schmidberger doesn’t write my eulogy! 

    It seems to me Fr. Schmidberger wrote what he did in a fit of emotion and hit SEND before thinking it over. 

    Let us pray for Fr. Schmidberger. Harboring “intense dislike” of one who has now gone to his judgment, who can neither defend nor amend, is a heavy burden to carry on one’s conscience. 

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    Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
    « Reply #6 on: February 03, 2025, 05:16:38 AM »
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  • A truly scandalous statement by Father Schmidberger...

    We warned him on several occasions about his comments on the h0Ɩ0cαųst, but to no avail. This led to the unfortunate interview for Swedish television on November 1, 2008, which at the end of January 2009 labeled the Society in Germany as "fascist, anti-Semitic" etc., a label we had been struggling with for years.
    Right you are AtH, truly scandalous.

    We have it there in a nutshell, the reason for Bishop Williamson's marginalisation and expulsion: fear of the Jews.

    Perhaps this is why we heard nothing out of Fr Schmidberger when the then District Superior of South America Fr Bouchacourt proclaimed that the Jews did not commit deicide: evidently history is of no account for Fr Schmidberger, what matters for the SSPX is good relations with the Jews: https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/the-Jєωιѕн-people-did-not-commit-the-deicide/

    Fr Bouchacourt confirms Fr Schmidberger's reason given for the expulsion of Bishop Williamson: https://www.clarin.com/edicion-impresa/fraternidad-san-pio-catolicos-francisco_0_BkiN5objP7e.html: For Father Cristian Bouchacourt, Superior of the Fraternity in the District, born in France, the Williamson case is a bad memory. "From that statement, he's no longer with us," he explains. And he cares to clarify: We're not nαzιs... Q. Do you defend the deicide, which imputed to the Jews the death of Jesus, as was the vision of the Holy See before the Council? A. The Jєωιѕн people didn't commit the deicide...

    Why are we not surprised that instead of being exiled for such a grave statement, Fr Bouchacourt was not expelled like Bishop Williamson, no, he was promoted to Superior for France and then Second Assistant to the Superior General.

    Dear SSPXers, are you stupid? Are you blind? For how long will you put up with this mockery?

    Of course, when we know that this whole episode was in fact a deliberate trap set by Fr Shmidberger's friends, https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/interview-with-bishop-stobnicki/msg939106/#msg939106, when we know that they wanted Bishop Williamson to fall into this trap and utter these words about the 'h0Ɩ0cαųst', then it becomes clear just how sordid this whole affair really was and it becomes obvious to anyone who does not want to be deceived that this pretext for expelling Bishop Williamson, which Fr Schmidberger perpetuates, was in fact the premeditated means by which the enemy in the Society sought to remove their greatest obstacle (Bishop Williamson) to destroying the work of Tradition through an accord with modernist Rome.


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    Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
    « Reply #7 on: February 03, 2025, 06:42:43 AM »
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  • We warned him on several occasions about his comments on the h0Ɩ0cαųst, but to no avail. This led to the unfortunate interview for Swedish television on November 1, 2008, which at the end of January 2009 labeled the Society in Germany as "fascist, anti-Semitic" etc., a label we had been struggling with for years.

    His defiance of the Society's authorities ultimately made a separation inevitable.

    I've always found the Society's fake "authority" to be one of their most obnoxious self-contradictions.  Look, you're refusing submission to the man you hold to be the Vicar of Christ, who is, per the dogmatic teaching of Vatican I, the source and font of all authority in the Church after Christ Himself, from whom he in turn receives it, being His Vicar.  Newsflash, Schmidberger, +Fellay, Pagliarani ... YOU HAVE NO AUTHORITY!  Among Traditional Catholics the only authority is moral authority, and so I find it repugnant that the man who had hands down the greatest moral authority in the Society should be taking commands from a no-account punk like Schmidberger (who does he think he is speaking to a bishop like this, and THE bishop chosen by +Lefebvre to carry on his legacy?).  Somehow Schmidberger considers himself part of the "we" who had some alleged authority over His Excellency.

    They're badgered, persecuted, and attacked priests for decades for being "disobedient" when they were merely following their consciences in a different direction than SSPX, either going FSSP, or Maronite, or Sedevacantists, etc.  They had every much a right for their faith to be greater than their obedience as they did, in fact, a thousand times the right, since in disobeying the putative Vicar of Christ, they themselves are severed from the font of all authority in the Church and have no right to demand it of anyone else.

    For a Society that since its very inception has harped upon how the Modernists used "false authority" to draw people in to their errors, they themselves believe THEY enjoy some charism of infallibility that the Vicar of Christ lacks, and some authority to impose their "positions" on consciences that the Vicar of Christ lacks?  Utter hogwash.  And this insistence on "obedience" from the priests has been the chief warning sign to me from the start they had been infiltrated, since they're using this very same tactic that had worked for them before to wreck the larger Church, false authority.  And good old Schmidtie has long been at the top of my list of suspects.  If there has ever been a priest who lacked any sense of what I would consider piety or devotion (the hardest part of being a priest for an infiltrator to fake), it's been Schmidberger, just mechanically going through the Mass and Office, etc. ... without any sense that he was actually internally immersed in them.  Then this guy somehow became Superior (based on what? ... as he did not stand out in any respect), and was giving orders to bishops?  Even before I started studying Catholic ecclesiology in depth, i.e. when I was a newbie who knew next to nothing, EVEN BACK THEN I realized the obvious in-your-face contradiction of hammering people with "authority" when your very raison d'etre entails having separated from the authority of Christ's Vicar.

    I suspect His Excellency shared this same distaste / disgust toward this fake pseudo-authority that I have had for years, and that's why he shied away from creating his own organization, over which he'd have any authority.  I do think he should have leveraged his moral authority to retain control of SSPX (between himself and Tissier, he could have caused a revolt there, which would have been welcome given the Society's pollution with Modernism since then), and they could have wrested control of the SSPX from +Fellay, Schmidberger, et al.  But that's in the past now.

    In fact, when I was still in Winona, so this would have been early 1990s, just a short time after Archbishop Lefebvre's death, Bishop Williamson predicted a fragmentation of the Society precisely because he felt that it was only the moral authority of +Lefebvre that had been the glue holding it together, and that the rest was artificial authority, and that the SSPX only had the role of being a "pilot light" that could ignite once the actual institutional Church gets restored to what it was.


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    Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
    « Reply #8 on: February 03, 2025, 06:45:45 AM »
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  • Question: But what will the people of the “Resistance” say?

    Answer: We cannot perform our actions to please people who quite obviously have lost their sense of the Church and love of the Church in her concrete form.

    "Church in her concrete form" is the biggest load of hogwash I've ever seen to justify, at the same time, their own continued lack of "full communion" (a Vatican II Modernist term, by the way) with the putative Holy See and yet condemning the Resistance for doing the same.  I'll get back to that later when I have time, but it's a complete load of bovine excrement, a total novelty.

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    Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
    « Reply #9 on: February 03, 2025, 06:49:57 AM »
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  • "Church in her concrete form" is the biggest load of hogwash I've ever seen to justify, at the same time, their own continued lack of "full communion" (a Vatican II Modernist term, by the way) with the putative Holy See and yet condemning the Resistance for doing the same.  I'll get back to that later when I have time, but it's a complete load of bovine excrement, a total novelty.

    To say nothing of the fact that it sounds like some Kantian garbage ... whereas Traditionally various theologians tried to distinguish between the soul of the Church and the Body, which distinction Pius XII rejected in Mystici Corporis as explained well by Msgr. Fenton ... and the Aristotelian / Thomistic distinction would be between material and formal.  So instead of relying upon well-established philosophical/theological ideas, they make up this amorphous new term, "concrete"?  Over a thousand years of Aristotelian/Thomistic philosophy wasn't good enough for you, where the meanings of the terms of very clear, so you have to make up this bogus term, probably off the pages of Kant (whom Bishop Williamson rightly despised)?

    So, to what is the "Church in her concrete form" opposed, to the "Church as an idea", i.e. the idea of the Church?  Such as when you pay lip service to the "Vicar of Christ" as some kind of idea but then continue to remain separated from the "concrete" Vicar of Christ ... i.e. for all intents and purposes?

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    Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
    « Reply #10 on: February 03, 2025, 07:03:53 AM »
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  • So I did a bit of digging, and ... I nailed it.


    I'm not even close to an expert in Kant, and in fact have never bothered to read any of him, after His Exellency Bishop Williamson exposed him as total garbage, but kudos again to His Excellency in giving us enough of an overview to recognize this garbage when we hear it.  That's what I said in another post, that His Excellency didn't just give us fish (i.e. thoughts), but taught us how to fish (how to think, and to recognize subjectivism in all its forms).  Based on what I was armed with by His Excellency, I sniffed this "concrete Church" nonsense out pretty quickly ... as phenomenological hogwash.

    I vaguely recall after Bishop Williamson had discussed how the Germans (who in his estimation, while being good at other things, completely suck at philosophy), even German Cahtolics, have had this inordinate admiration for Kant, having been perhaps their most renowned "philosopher" ... and I kindof recall him taking a subtle swipe at the German Trads (perhaps even Schmidberger) for being somewhat contaminated by this thinking themselves, saying that the Germans had this need to salvage Kant by attempting to reconcile his philosophy with scholasticism / Thomism / Aristotelianism, and that it was a doomed effort that could end only in disaster because they're simply not compatible.


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    Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
    « Reply #11 on: February 03, 2025, 07:15:49 AM »
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  • A truly scandalous statement by Father Schmidberger on the death of Bishop Williamson. It was published today in his weekly newsletter, which was sent by email on Monday February 3rd.

    Does this email exist on the internet? Often newsletter's have a "view in browser" function. Or can we see screengrabs?

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    Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
    « Reply #12 on: February 03, 2025, 07:16:50 AM »
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  • Father Schmidberger also has an uncanny resemblance to Cardinal Rampolla

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    Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
    « Reply #13 on: February 03, 2025, 08:29:59 AM »
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  • Father Schmidberger also has an uncanny resemblance to Cardinal Rampolla

    I could never put a name to it, but he also reminded me of some figure from the Third Reich ... though perhaps it was actually some movie depicting such characters.  Perhaps Himmler.  But, if I were a judge at Nuremberg, I'd vote to convict him as a nαzι war criminal just on his looks alone.  :laugh1:

    I had thoughts of secretly flashing him the nαzι salute when no one else was looking to see if he instinctively responded with the same.  :laugh1:

    Although a young Schmidberger has a strong resemblance to Wojtyla-Katz and may be showing forth some of that Jєωιѕн lineage.

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    Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
    « Reply #14 on: February 03, 2025, 08:37:00 AM »
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  • Only in your head.

    Please explain what is the Novus Ordo church...

    And then what elements of it thereof you think make it part of the true Church...