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Offline Against the Heresies

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Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
« Reply #60 on: February 04, 2025, 04:23:25 AM »
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  • "We" warned him, as of Schmidberger had any authority, other than imagined, over His Excellency Bishop Williamson, [...]
    That's how someone with even a modicuм of humility, of respect for his episcopal office and for his status as THE hand-picked successor of the Archbishop to carry on his legacy (until the other 3 were thrown in as add-ons) would have phrased it [...]
    Fr. Schmidberger certainly sees it differently. I will try to outline his point of view: the auxiliary bishops are only assistants of the SSPX and the Superior General. The actual center of the SSPX is the Superior General and in this office Fr. Schmidberger was the successor and "spiritual son" of the archbishop. Even if he no longer holds this office de facto, he certainly still sees himself "morally" as the successor of the archbishop. And that is why it is easy for him to equate his own point of view with that of the SSPX.

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    Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
    « Reply #61 on: February 04, 2025, 04:37:30 AM »
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  • Why are we giving so much screen time to Schidberger?
    Nobody is forced to read this thread. Everyone decides for themselves which posts they read and comment on and which they ignore.

    Fr. Schmidberger is, after all, not an unimportant person in the history of the SSPX. His short comment is not only of historical interest (as a contemporary docuмent), but it also reflects the current "spirit" of the SSPX: their fraternal attitude towards deserving (former) members; their joy at the growth of the tradition, even outside their own group;... ;-)


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    Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
    « Reply #62 on: February 04, 2025, 06:37:01 AM »
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  • -- errors and confusion caused in KE comments
    -- episcopal consecrations that lack any objective necessity (Schmidberger = measure of objectivity) and any sensus ecclesiae

    So, for the last part here, once again we have Schmidberger indicating that he is the measure of objectivity and sensus ecclesiae, as well as being capable of sitting in judgment that the KE Comments are filled with error and caused confusion ... and his entire attack had an arrogant, pedantic, and condescending tone as if he were projecting himself as an adult talking down to an infantile, immature Bishop Williamson.  No, it's the neo-SSPX who are filled with error and are causing confusion, and His Excellency Bishop Williamson made judgments regarding the state of necessity that were predicated undoubtedly on his world view that a great chastisement approaches and he wanted to spread some bishops out around the world in a situation that he viewed as inevitable (and with which I whole-heartedly agree) ... namely, when we get into a Plandemic 2.0 and other controls on movement that will make Plandemic 1.0 look like a walk in the park, and, if you recall, even during the first one there were people who couldn't get to the Sacraments due to the lockdowns, including people dying in hospitals without the absolution and Last Rites.  Of course, for those like Schmidberger who claim that "politics" has nothing to do with the spread of faith and the SSPX who gave no indications that they were aware of what was taking place during the first Plandemic, believing most of the propaganda and thinking the authorities to be acting in good faith, they don't see this.  It's also the reason I believe that Bishop Stupki would ordain (and offer to ordain) married men, because he, having grown up behind the Iron Curtain, could more readily sense the thing that are about to happen.  Just as they don't "see" what's going on in the world, so too they appear to have adopted some attitude that the Crisis in the Church is not some kind of apocalyptic or "End Times" aberration, but within the realm of normal for the Church, and seem to be operating with some bizarre institutional / official normalcy bias that infects their entire view of the world, the Church, and the Crisis ... on which Bishop Williamson and most Traditional Catholics with even a little faith left do not share, recognizing the highly abnormal situation that we're in and therefore an OBJECTIVE necessity to carry on as His Excellency Bishop Williamson did.

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    Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
    « Reply #63 on: February 04, 2025, 08:52:57 AM »
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  • Here's another big problem with the new-sspx's management under +Fellay...they have become authoritarian...especially in regards to +W. 

    The sspx was formed as a group of priests, a collective, that would work together.  There are no vows.  It is not a formal religious order.  There's no stock or legal rights.  Add in the 4 bishops and you have 2 different religious hierarchies (priest vs bishop) and it's a hodge-podge of a group of people, trying to bring order in the midst of a crisis.  Not easy.

    The sspx leadership has 3 main functions.
    a.  Financial Mgmt - Collect donations and pay the bills (so that the lights stay on and the water stays running).  Buy/build new chapels.  Buy stuff for churches.
    b.  Organization Mgmt - Add new priests to the rotation/move priests where needed.  Organize the sacraments and chapels.  Organize system for travel, expenses, etc.
    c.  Member Mgmt - Settle disputes among priests.  Help priests who are burned out or sick.  Seminary mgmt.  Etc.

    In my opinion, the sspx does great at the above 3.  Where they overstepped their bounds and where they have gone overboard, is in telling priests/bishops how to act, what they can/can't talk about, etc.  The new-sspx (under +Fellay) went cultish and control-freak.  

    (And let's not forget, that Bishops have a DUTY to preach and teach, much more so than priests.  Bishops such as +W should be preaching on DIFFERENT topics than priests.  They have different vocations, duties, and obligations.  A bishop in a diocese is "the man".  The only person he answers to is the pope (and only on rare occasions).  Otherwise, his calling is to lead, make decisions and be independent.  The whole idea of +Fellay telling another bishop what to do is backwards.  The idea that a PRIEST could tell a bishop what to do is insidious and anti-catholic.)

    They went from +ABL's 'servant-leadership' to +Fellay's 'dictatorship' of controlling every aspect of the sspx.  They homogenized chapels, the laity and the priests.  They tried to homogenize +W and he said 'no thanks'.  So they kicked him out.

    They went from +ABL's simple goal of "let's save souls" to the +Fellay's dream of "let's build a community".  The goals couldn't be more different, both in focus and scope.

    To use a business analogy,

    +ABL built a Mom-n-Pop store where everyone felt comfortable and who offered affordable prices to help the town.

    +Fellay has built a "brand", a global, homogenized, corporation, where everyone must "stay in line" or else.

    There are pros-cons to both approaches.  I think most people though, prefer the former over the latter.

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    Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
    « Reply #64 on: February 04, 2025, 10:47:44 AM »
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  • Is it possible to get some screengrabs or some incontrovertible proof of this newsletter from Schmidberger? 

    I'm not doubting it, but we can't expect anyone else to believe it just because it's written on a forum.


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    Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
    « Reply #65 on: February 04, 2025, 03:23:26 PM »
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  • Is it possible to get some screengrabs or some incontrovertible proof of this newsletter from Schmidberger?

    I'm not doubting it, but we can't expect anyone else to believe it just because it's written on a forum.
    I could ask him next Sunday, but I don't really doubt it's him. I am a bit surprised, because I thought he was a more conservative priest, as he is a monarchist and everything. But I guess that was in 2008, when his Wikipedia page was written.

    The German clergy hopes that Francis "in an eccentric moment" will give them new bishops and that's somehow supposed to help the situation (???). I've also personally argued with Fr. Pfluger, who shares the viewpoint, which Fr. Schmidberger presented in 2016: https://www.newliturgicalmovement.org/2016/04/the-moment-has-come-to-normalize.html

    Fr. Pfluger (who I supposes shares this thinking with Fr. Schmidberger, if the letter is from him), sees the "necessity" of consecrating bishops tied to the fact that "well there are still 2 bishops alive, so there's no necessity to consecrate bishops, maybe Francis will have a change of heart now". My attempt to explain to him that it would be a trap by Rome to get them under their authority fell on deaf ears. Post 2012 they completely lost the plot on what their actual mission is and where their jurisdiction comes from. So now they think his 2015 excommunications are valid, because there was more than one bishop left. The "lifting" of the "excommunications" was a clever trick to get them back under modernist authority, even without a formal signature. Most of the German laity are not independent thinkers, sadly. They go and fall with whatever their priest says. Few educate themselves about VII, even fewer suspect that there's anything wrong.

    My assessment is that he was brainwashed to believe in the h0Ɩ0cαųst, as most German boomers of his generation are (without internet and public schools, there's little they could do). Or, he "fears the Jews" in the Bundestag to shut down German chapels. Nowadays this is much less risky, since German Zoomers are redpilled on the Jews because of TikTok, plus there are a lot more ex-Muslim converts who "know", but in 2010 it would have been a hard line to hold in BRD-Germany. I do, to some extent, understand that the German SSPX can't go all-out on the Jews, because they'd simply be banned. But it's uncharitable to put it into an eulogy 15 years later.

    He does however, still celebrate very reverent Masses, I didn't have the impressions that he rushes Mass. I'd be careful with judgements, but then again I haven't been part of the SSPX for very long, I can't tell how things developed over the years. I can only say that the German priests are pretty bad on moral theology compared to the US ones.

    I think it's fair to criticize +Williamsons apparitionism, promotion of false visionaries like Maria Valtora, promotion of dubious Eucharistic miracles, etc. (I hope these errors will die out now), but he was dead-on when it came to the historical role of the Jews trying to sabotage the Church, the core errors of Vatican II and standing up to +Fellay going back to Rome. See Fr. Hewko on how you can criticize a bishop while also remaining respectful.

    It's very ironic, I was on my way to Stuttgart last Sunday, but I couldn't make it due to some circuмstances. Maybe it's a sign that I shouldn't go there anymore. I am personally "on my way out" of the SSPX if I can get a better job and relocate near a Resistance chapel, the only reason I still support the neo-SSPX to some limited extent is because they have valid sacraments (I don't want to be donatist and I'm still obliged to go as long as the sacrament is not doubtful and the priest is not teaching errors in the sermon) and they still do serve a purpose when converting non-Catholics (it's hard to go "only Resistance Mass" mode when there is only one Resistance priest my country). Hopefully I can be out of that situation soon.

    His E-Mail is indexed at https://hunter.io/email-finder - I don't want to post it here in order to not provoke bots to mail him. If you input "fsspx.de" into the domain + his name, you can find his E-Mail.

    Offline Plenus Venter

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    Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
    « Reply #66 on: February 04, 2025, 06:28:28 PM »
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  • See Fr. Hewko on how you can criticize a bishop while also remaining respectful.
    Did you mean "how to αssαssιnαtҽ a bishop while remaining respectful, while at the same time leading countless Catholics to a life with no Mass and no sacraments"?

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    Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
    « Reply #67 on: February 05, 2025, 09:26:12 PM »
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  • I personally think the bishop was already kind of senile in his later years. After 40 years of fighting modernists, that's understandable, but nevertheless bad for the faithful.
          I don't agree with this " senile" term. It was remarkable that, to the very end, you could watch his sermon videos, for Sundays esp...he would hold on to this very small missal, all tattered and ancient, yet his mind was admirably smart, and explained mysteries as much as is humanly possible.  So, yes, sometimes he would forget a detail here and there, but his love of Catholic culture invariably trumped any memory lapse. Actually, the last three sermons, they were perfect. The Epiphany if I recall was special. But yes, he wouldn't talk for an hour. "His Excellency" is what it says:  Bishop Williamson was E X C E L L EN T !
         He was very hospitable to me in Winona. He actually composed a little 4 line poem for me. Let's just finish by saying he was dignified, had integrity as Fr Chazal just spoke.... Once in a while he would use the French expression: " Noblesse oblige" which roughly translates to: When you hold a higher public office, walk the walk and talk the talk.
     Pray for he repose of his soul,... RIP +
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    Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
    « Reply #68 on: February 05, 2025, 10:47:52 PM »
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  • I don't care how much of a "fanbase" +Williamson has, Fr. Hewko was right to correct him, like +Ballini eventually did. I don't follow persons, I follow truth and most priests in the Resistance were just silent out of "respect" for the bishop, but many knew that he was propagating errors. But Hewko never "hated" him, he just wanted to stop this nonsense and not get people infected with error. I hope that things will be better now, I personally think the bishop was already kind of senile in his later years. After 40 years of fighting modernists, that's understandable, but nevertheless bad for the faithful.

    Correcting the errors of other Traditionalists seems to be the central mission of Fr. Hewko.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
    « Reply #69 on: February 19, 2025, 01:41:06 PM »
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  • Father Schmidberger also has an uncanny resemblance to Cardinal Rampolla
    more liuke Reinhardt Heydrich

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    Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
    « Reply #70 on: February 19, 2025, 01:59:10 PM »
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  • more liuke Reinhardt Heydrich

    Just looked this individual up, and yes indeed.


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    Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
    « Reply #71 on: February 19, 2025, 07:03:51 PM »
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  • Is it possible to get some screengrabs or some incontrovertible proof of this newsletter from Schmidberger?

    I'm not doubting it, but we can't expect anyone else to believe it just because it's written on a forum.

    I hope you're as proof-hungry about other topics claimed by the modern world as you are about this.

    But seriously? Fr. Schmidberger's words and actions are SO HORRIBLE you can't believe they're true? You would sooner believe that someone in the Resistance went out of his way to compose several paragraphs of likely-sounding German from scratch, which exactly match Fr. Schmidberger's position, just to damage Fr. Schmidberger's reputation by implying he uttered such scandalous words?

    Can we agree that these words are scandalous then? And if we find out they are truly Fr. Schmidberger, can we all agree that the SSPX has fallen and we need to set up alternative Mass center options all over the world?

    If there are people who believe that this letter is a "fαℓѕє fℓαg" or a "conspiracy" (ever heard of Occam's Razor, guys?), I guess we're making progress! At least we can all agree those words are un-Catholic and quite scandalous.
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    Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
    « Reply #72 on: February 21, 2025, 10:33:32 AM »
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  • He had difficulty reconciling grace and nature. On the one hand, he was very willing to give credence to messages, apparitions and other supernatural phenomena; on the other hand, he tended towards a certain naturalism, giving politics and contemporary phenomena an excessive amount of space in his sermons and lectures.

    Yes, Bp. Williamson did give credence to apparitions, perhaps more than he should have, but isn't Bp. Fellay guilty of the same? Bp. Fellay gave great credence to the locutions of Madame Rossiniere, and, if I recall correctly, Fellay wanted to change the statutes of the SSPX so as to incorporate Rossiniere's teachings, which was quite appalling. Of course Fellay wasn't successful in this, but at least Bp. Williamson never wanted to change the statutes. Nothing even close to that. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29