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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
« Reply #45 on: February 03, 2025, 04:43:16 PM »
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  • ^^^^ My efforts to find it have failed. Does anyone have it?
    His eyes need to be blistered by opprobrium heaped upon him.

    I'd love to see that, but alas I don't have his e-mail either.

    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
    « Reply #46 on: February 03, 2025, 04:43:56 PM »
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  • https://odysee.com/@E.MichelJones:f/EMJ-Live-107:f

    And now, here's this asshole with his take.

    Should be keeping his mouth very shut.

    Yep.  Jones is a piece of trash, despite being right on one issue.  Here's a broken clock who somehow has managed to be right only once per day.


    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
    « Reply #47 on: February 03, 2025, 04:56:05 PM »
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  • -- difficult reconciling grace and natural
    -- excessively credulous toward messages, apparitions, etc.
    -- excessive naturalism by focusing too much on politics in his sermons and lectures

    So, where to begin unravelling this heaping pile of dung?  His Excellency constantly emphasized St. Thomas Aquinas' teaching that grace perfects nature, and does not destroy it.  If politics and society are broken, it would make it difficult for the seeds of True Religion to grow and flourish, just like the parable of the seed cast onto the rocky soil.  So it's evidently Schmidberger who fails to recognize this.  Not only that, but the various "political" questions His Excellency delved into are not exclusively political but overlap with the spiritual chastisement.  Our Lady came to warn about errors of "Russia" (precisely those of Judaeo-Masonry), and it was none other than the Jews and the Communists who infiltrated the Church and have constructed this "ape" thereof to eclipse the True Church, so they need to be exposed.  This attitude from Schmidberger makes him sound like a Modernist buffoon in favor of separating Church and state, and dethroning Christ the King.  Only from such a mind could come the allegation that discussing the political, intellectual, philosophical, and moral climate of society is purely "natural" and has nothing to do with the faith.  Of course, that's what the Communist collaborator clergy in various countries argued as well, that there's no problem with cooperating with the civil authorities and refusing to open condemn or combat the Commie politicians.  In fact, it was Wojtyla's friendliness with the Commie officials, with the same attitude Schmidberger displays here, that allowed the Church to be taken over, including by himself.  Yet another reason to suspect Schmiddie of being an infiltrator.

    In addition, while I agree that His Excellency was a bit to credulous regarding some apparitions, what does that have to do with the price of tea in China and why does it find place in a hit piece after Bishop Williamson's demise?  It has nothing to do with why he "parted ways" with SSPX, and -- ahem, Schmidberger -- what about that woman +Fellay was taking instructions from about how to wreck the SSPX?  Finally, these purported poles of grace (represented by apparitions) and nature (politics) actually have nothing to do with the relationship between grace and nature, as the discernment regarding the legitimacy of apparitions is also an exercise in natural reason, having nothing to do with grace.  So this is such a bungled mess of garbage as to bring shame on its author.

    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
    « Reply #48 on: February 03, 2025, 05:11:57 PM »
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  • -- we warned him (who are you? and who is "we"?)
    -- compromised us after dealing with charges of "anti-Semitism"
    -- defiance of Society's authorities

    "We" warned him, as of Schmidberger had any authority, other than imagined, over His Excellency Bishop Williamson, being only a priest, and with the SSPX having no actual authority, having separated from subjection to the man the hold to be the Vicar of Christ.  There's also the condescending, arrogant tone of "warning" the Bishop, as if he has some charism of infallible authority.  No, a normal person without such hubris, would have stated simply that we disagreed with His Excellency regarding his emphasis on the h0Ɩ0h0αx.  That's how someone with even a modicuм of humility, of respect for his episcopal office and for his status as THE hand-picked successor of the Archbishop to carry on his legacy (until the other 3 were thrown in as add-ons) would have phrased it, that I felt he was a bit imprudent with regard to an undue emphasis on such issues for various practical reasons  You can even emphatically disagree without talking down to him as if you were in any position to "warn" him from your "See" of "authority, and declare his disagreement with your "warnings" as "deficient of the Society's [pseudo-]authorities."  His use of a term is a verbal finger-wag as if issued by a superior to an inferior, and Schmidberger couldn't hold a candle to His Excellency Bishops Williamson on any point of comparison.

    As for your battle with charges of Anti-Semitism, it's not his fault that you look like a nαzι, and sound like one too.  I'm sure that the effeminate squirming of +Fellay when asked that question did much to combat the charges, when the manly thing to do would be to uphold the truth, which alas many secular are more fearless in upholding, thereby winning the respect of others in secular society who are at least onto the Jєωιѕн deception and would respect whatever religion you represent for having the backbone to speak the truth, rather than cowaring like an effeminate little weasel.  I see Bishop Willamson being promoted everywhere by other people who have the courage to stand up to the Jews, on places like rense.com, Stew Peters, and other venues.  And those are the ones who are closest to being conveted to the true religion, once they find representatives of said religion that aren't a pathetic gaggle of woke wimps.

    This here (video below) was an absolute embarrassment to the Society and to Traditional Catholicism.  +Fellay's "sins" that he admits to are that he "talks too much".  Reminds me of when, during job interviews, if you're asked what your chief weaknesses are, you answer that you "work too hard" or "care too much", etc.  LOL  I was always much more subtle, where I'd say that I'm too much of a perfectionist and get frustrated easily with things that are just not right.  Well, the problem is not that he talks too much, but that he talks at all.  When asked about some comments he had made about the Jews being enemies of the Church, he snivels around it claiming that, what he means is that the Jews perceive themselves to be at enmity with the Catholic Church (I phrased it much more articulately than he did).  He could have articulately addressed it saying that what he meant was that the Jews have perpetually been in a state of enmity with the Catholic Church.  But instead he snivels around it. 

    See, +Fellay and Schmidberger, for being these big "prudence" guys are actually epic fails.  So, when you start snivelling like this, the sharks bent on destroying the Church smell blood and come in for the kill.  Instead, the only way to deal with them is to stand up and double down.  This is actually what Trump (love him or hate him) put into action.  Traditionally politicians snivelled around trying to say "nithe" things or dance around stuff ... but Trump just directly started blurting things out, and people loved it for him.

    +Fellay needed to have doubled down.  "Indeed, the Jews have been collectively trying to destroy and undermine the Church since they first crucified Christ.  There's solid evidence that they instigated the early Christian persecutions.  They hate Christ, and therefore the Church he founded, because they wanted a Messiah who would come and make them masters of the Universe.  But then when the Messiah actually came, and they knew full well it was Christ, by their owns Scriptures, which they later tried to butcher and adulterate to eliminate the prophecy that pointed directly to Him, Jesus Christ, He explained that He came for everyone, not just the Jew, and that He came to found a spiritual kingdom, not an earthly empire, and they would have none of it, so they murdered the Messiah, murdered God himself, committed Deicide, and proudly called down the Blood of God upon themselves and upon their children ... and they labor under that curse to this day."

    THIS is how that snivelling coward Fellay needed to answer the question and it would have elicited the collective cheers of the millions around the world who are onto the Jews and who are probably the closest to being of good will intellectually to be converted.  You may have had many non-Catholic Arabs considering conversion to Catholicism as a result.  But how many did he convert with this pathetic, shameful non-answer?


    Offline Miseremini

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    Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
    « Reply #49 on: February 03, 2025, 05:14:28 PM »
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  • Why are we giving so much screen time to Schidberger? 
    CI has tons more members/followers than his weekly whatever.

    We are just enabling him in distributing his poison.  It didn't have to be translated for wider distribution.
    Bishop Williamson responded to his ousting then remained silent on the subject.
    Let his response be enough and follow his example of silence.  He had CLASS.



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    Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
    « Reply #50 on: February 03, 2025, 05:20:27 PM »
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  • ^^^^ My efforts to find it have failed. Does anyone have it?
    His eyes need to be blistered by opprobrium heaped upon him.
    :laugh1: :laugh2:

    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
    « Reply #51 on: February 03, 2025, 05:24:03 PM »
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  • Why are we giving so much screen time to Schidberger? 
    CI has tons more members/followers than his weekly whatever.

    We are just enabling him in distributing his poison.  It didn't have to be translated for wider distribution.
    Bishop Williamson responded to his ousting then remained silent on the subject.
    Let his response be enough and follow his example of silence.  He had CLASS.

    Yeah, so more of the same snivelling response that we saw from +Fellay above.  Sure, His Excellency remained silent, which is why Schmidberger attacked him for causing "confusion" and "error" via his Eleison Comments.

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    Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
    « Reply #52 on: February 03, 2025, 05:35:59 PM »
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  • So after a brief paragraph talking about Bishop Williamson's good qualities, he spends the bulk of his time attacking Bishop Williamson for:

    -- certain weaknesses in him
    -- that led to his separation from SSPX (so it was entirely his fault, and SSPX are blameless)
    -- difficult reconciling grace and natural
    -- excessively credulous toward messages, apparitions, etc.
    -- excessive naturalism by focusing too much on politics in his sermons and lectures
    -- we warned him (who are you? and who is "we"?)
    -- compromised us after dealing with charges of "anti-Semitism"
    -- defiance of Society's authorities
    -- errors and confusion caused in KE comments
    -- episcopal consecrations that lack any objective necessity (Schmidberger = measure of objectivity) and any sensus ecclesiae

    So one could spend a long time on each of these points, and I will take them up one by one in defense of His Excellency as I have time, possibly putting them all together later and publishing an open rejection of Schmidberger's vile attack
    I think Bishop Williamson pretty much summed it up in that wonderful EC: Alice was in Wonderland, and the SSPX wanted to be in Huonderland. Fr Schmidberger has been too long in Huonderland. I imagine it was very pleasant there on Dies Judaeicus. There, you don't have to worry about history or reality or validity, you just live the dream! And these comments of poor old Fr Schmidberger certainly show him to be in a dream world. But then again, he probably had to say such things to keep alive his ultimate dream of a deal with Rome. After all, he and Bishop Fellay fill those newly created positions of General Counselor to assist with such an endeavour.


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    Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
    « Reply #53 on: February 03, 2025, 06:15:42 PM »
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  • So, just as there are two paradigms regarding what happened to the Church:

    1) many Churchmen over time had their minds contaminated with Modernism eventually got into higher offices and want to spread their "truth"
    2) enemies who hated the Church infiltrated with the deliberate intention of detroying it

    Same can be said of the SSPX.  You certainly have some cradle-+Fellayites who grew up in SSPX and were trained at the seminary under the nouveau régime, but I believe that some of the old-timers are agents, infiltrators, and/or compromised.  I've long had Schmidberger toward the top of my list of suspects.

    Of course, you need both, right?  If enemies had infiltrate the Church/SSPX, unless fertile ground had already been prepared for acceptance of their programme, they would simply have been rejected by the Church/SSPX, kicked out, leaving the Church unharmed.

    I think Bishop Williamson leaned toward option one, where he constantly spoke of the Churchmen losing their Catholic senses.  I don't believe that.  I believe that the leaders were infiltrators, agentes, and/or compromised (blackmailed), so that the destruction was quite deliberate, but not some kind of grass roots development over time.

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    Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
    « Reply #54 on: February 03, 2025, 06:33:20 PM »
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  • Those clandestine meetings with GREC began a long, long time ago.  The Goodship Lollipop has been listing, even sinking, for decades.

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    Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
    « Reply #55 on: February 03, 2025, 07:46:24 PM »
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  • So, where to begin unravelling this heaping pile of dung?  His Excellency constantly emphasized St. Thomas Aquinas' teaching that grace perfects nature, and does not destroy it.  If politics and society are broken, it would make it difficult for the seeds of True Religion to grow and flourish, just like the parable of the seed cast onto the rocky soil.  So it's evidently Schmidberger who fails to recognize this.  Not only that, but the various "political" questions His Excellency delved into are not exclusively political but overlap with the spiritual chastisement.  Our Lady came to warn about errors of "Russia" (precisely those of Judaeo-Masonry), and it was none other than the Jews and the Communists who infiltrated the Church and have constructed this "ape" thereof to eclipse the True Church, so they need to be exposed.  This attitude from Schmidberger makes him sound like a Modernist buffoon in favor of separating Church and state, and dethroning Christ the King.  Only from such a mind could come the allegation that discussing the political, intellectual, philosophical, and moral climate of society is purely "natural" and has nothing to do with the faith.  Of course, that's what the Communist collaborator clergy in various countries argued as well, that there's no problem with cooperating with the civil authorities and refusing to open condemn or combat the Commie politicians.  In fact, it was Wojtyla's friendliness with the Commie officials, with the same attitude Schmidberger displays here, that allowed the Church to be taken over, including by himself.  Yet another reason to suspect Schmiddie of being an infiltrator.

    In addition, while I agree that His Excellency was a bit to credulous regarding some apparitions, what does that have to do with the price of tea in China and why does it find place in a hit piece after Bishop Williamson's demise?  It has nothing to do with why he "parted ways" with SSPX, and -- ahem, Schmidberger -- what about that woman +Fellay was taking instructions from about how to wreck the SSPX?  Finally, these purported poles of grace (represented by apparitions) and nature (politics) actually have nothing to do with the relationship between grace and nature, as the discernment regarding the legitimacy of apparitions is also an exercise in natural reason, having nothing to do with grace.  So this is such a bungled mess of garbage as to bring shame on its author.

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    Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
    « Reply #56 on: February 04, 2025, 12:42:22 AM »
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  • THIS^^^.  Trento's constantly trying to defend neo-SSPX and has shown himself a Modernist on a variety of issues, so he's slighly attempting to minimize (and justify) the mudslinging against Williamson by falsely equating it to those attacking SSPX for having expelled him.
    Did you read what Fr. Cekada wrote about +Lefebvre & +Williamson in "We Resist You to Your Face."? Go and justify all you want till kingdom come.

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    Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
    « Reply #57 on: February 04, 2025, 03:23:34 AM »
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  • Maybe hatred was too strong a word. Is “intense dislike” better?
    I think "deep disappointment" or "bitterness" is the appropriate description. People play no role for Fr. Schmidberger in their human, individual side. He knows no empathy, no love and therefore no hate. The individual is only relevant insofar as he functions as a cog in the great machine of tradition (equated with the SSPX). If he does a good job here, then he is a valuable member. But as soon as he disrupts the running of the machine, he is replaced without emotion, like an object.
    Hence the bitterness about Bishop Williamson. He could have been a very capable cog and enabled great progress for the tradition (=SSPX). Instead, he has disrupted the machine and thereby prevented or slowed down the hoped-for successes.
    All that matters is the progress and spread of the SSPX; he doesn't care about the individual worker. The individual is just a means to an end.

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    Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
    « Reply #58 on: February 04, 2025, 03:36:36 AM »
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  • I vaguely recall after Bishop Williamson had discussed how the Germans (who in his estimation, while being good at other things, completely suck at philosophy), even German Cahtolics, have had this inordinate admiration for Kant, having been perhaps their most renowned "philosopher" ... and I kindof recall him taking a subtle swipe at the German Trads (perhaps even Schmidberger) for being somewhat contaminated by this thinking themselves, saying that the Germans had this need to salvage Kant by attempting to reconcile his philosophy with scholasticism / Thomism / Aristotelianism, and that it was a doomed effort that could end only in disaster because they're simply not compatible.
    Just a quick note: Before Fr. Schmidberger found his way to the SSPX, while studying mathematics in Munich, he was in close contact with the philosophy professor Reinhard Lauth, who was deeply rooted in German idealism.

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    Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
    « Reply #59 on: February 04, 2025, 04:01:02 AM »
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  • Running the German through a word counter, I get 48 words of praise (toward the beginning) and 166 of criticism/attack.  I counted the last section about resting in peace as neither.

    Certainly inappropriate after someone has just passed away.  We all know what your criticisms are and they can be alluded to if you don't want your text to read an an unequivocal endorsement of everything you do.
    Quantitatively speaking, only the first one and a half sentences are a positive appreciation. The rest is neutral or a criticism of various actions of the bishop.

    Qualitatively speaking, the disproportion is even greater, because the first one and a half sentences do not recognize any actions/merits of the bishop, but list characteristics that he in a certain way "inherited" from his parents. So while not a single positive action is listed, many negative actions are mentioned.