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Author Topic: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson  (Read 57506 times)

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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
« Reply #30 on: February 03, 2025, 12:17:58 PM »
While Father Iscara taught there after my time, yes, Bishop Williamson also said that a lot about how part of the reason modern society has bought into this crap is because we're disconnected from reality and nature, and the more everyone lives in these artificial environments, the more plausible this garbage seems, whereas if you're in touch with nature and reality on a daily basis, it's utterly absurd.

Bishop Williamson used to mock Kant by suggesting that he should stand on a railroad track as a train sped toward him to determine how "real" it was going to be.

Offline Ladislaus

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« Reply #31 on: February 03, 2025, 12:20:49 PM »
To be fair, this was the SSPX's fatal flaw even in "the good old days" (e.g., the 1980's).

My old priest I grew up with (from age 3 until I entered the seminary), Fr. Slupski, used to work with the SSPX before parting ways with them.

Both he and Thomas Nelson had the same opinion on the SSPX: on the one hand they're hardcore Trads, they keep the Faith without compromise, but on the other hand they think they're the Church. In other words, the SSPX doesn't think they are PART OF the Catholic Church, but that they ARE the Catholic Church.

Looking back on all my experience -- I can't say that these men were wrong. The SSPX, as an organization, got a bit high on itself, in its position as 800 lb Gorilla of Tradition. And many of the men in the SSPX internalized and expressed this attitude.

If you're unclear what I mean by 800 lb gorilla, google it. It's a very handy expression that conveys a precise idea. The SSPX is absolutely the 800 lb gorilla in the world of Tradition.

Agreed.  And I wrote that earlier in this thread that even back in the days I was there I recognized how contradictory the SSPX were in demanding blind, unthinking acquiescence to its every whim, i.e. blind unconditional obedience, while saying it's OK to disobey the Vicar of Christ.  Disobey the pope?  No problem.  Disobey the SSPX Superior General (at the time Schmidberger)? ... well, you're basically consigning yourself to the flames of Hell, as if the SSPX had some authority and some charism of quasi-infallibility that surpassed that held by the ["concrete"] Church.


Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
« Reply #32 on: February 03, 2025, 12:31:13 PM »
Sorry to ruin your Sberger gripe/hate session with convo about the nature of the Church.
But where did you ever get the impression that the SSPX was "tactful" or had good "taste"?
They don't even operate in the sphere of common sense...
An organization doesn’t have tact or taste. People have them, or, in the case of Fr. S.’s words,  lack them both. 

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
« Reply #33 on: February 03, 2025, 12:49:55 PM »
Hmmm… we see in Schmidberger the stereotypical Jєωιѕн penchant for spitting on the graves of their foes.

Running the German through a word counter, I get 48 words of praise (toward the beginning) and 166 of criticism/attack.  I counted the last section about resting in peace as neither.

Certainly inappropriate after someone has just passed away.  We all know what your criticisms are and they can be alluded to if you don't want your text to read an an unequivocal endorsement of everything you do.

I wonder when Schmidberger dies how many people will be commemorating his life?  It'll probably be a one-sentence blurb if a few news sources in Germany.

Meanwhile, the veritable torrent and outpouring of sentiment toward Bishop Williamson remains as a testimony to how many lives he's touched for the better.  How many people will say:  "Father Schmidberger changed my life." (apart from a few that he expelled from SSPX).  Or "Bishop Glaretta changed my life."  Or even "Bishop Tissier changed my life." [perhaps a few Frenchmen who were in direct contact with him).  Or "Bishop Fellay changed my life." (as in, for the better).

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
« Reply #34 on: February 03, 2025, 12:54:57 PM »
I'm guessing that if they were to hold Bishop Williamson's funeral/requiem in the US, there would be thousands in attendance.  I myself would make the 12-hour drive to Winona.