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Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
« Reply #30 on: February 03, 2025, 12:17:58 PM »
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  • While Father Iscara taught there after my time, yes, Bishop Williamson also said that a lot about how part of the reason modern society has bought into this crap is because we're disconnected from reality and nature, and the more everyone lives in these artificial environments, the more plausible this garbage seems, whereas if you're in touch with nature and reality on a daily basis, it's utterly absurd.

    Bishop Williamson used to mock Kant by suggesting that he should stand on a railroad track as a train sped toward him to determine how "real" it was going to be.

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    Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
    « Reply #31 on: February 03, 2025, 12:20:49 PM »
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  • To be fair, this was the SSPX's fatal flaw even in "the good old days" (e.g., the 1980's).

    My old priest I grew up with (from age 3 until I entered the seminary), Fr. Slupski, used to work with the SSPX before parting ways with them.

    Both he and Thomas Nelson had the same opinion on the SSPX: on the one hand they're hardcore Trads, they keep the Faith without compromise, but on the other hand they think they're the Church. In other words, the SSPX doesn't think they are PART OF the Catholic Church, but that they ARE the Catholic Church.

    Looking back on all my experience -- I can't say that these men were wrong. The SSPX, as an organization, got a bit high on itself, in its position as 800 lb Gorilla of Tradition. And many of the men in the SSPX internalized and expressed this attitude.

    If you're unclear what I mean by 800 lb gorilla, google it. It's a very handy expression that conveys a precise idea. The SSPX is absolutely the 800 lb gorilla in the world of Tradition.

    Agreed.  And I wrote that earlier in this thread that even back in the days I was there I recognized how contradictory the SSPX were in demanding blind, unthinking acquiescence to its every whim, i.e. blind unconditional obedience, while saying it's OK to disobey the Vicar of Christ.  Disobey the pope?  No problem.  Disobey the SSPX Superior General (at the time Schmidberger)? ... well, you're basically consigning yourself to the flames of Hell, as if the SSPX had some authority and some charism of quasi-infallibility that surpassed that held by the ["concrete"] Church.


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    Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
    « Reply #32 on: February 03, 2025, 12:31:13 PM »
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  • Sorry to ruin your Sberger gripe/hate session with convo about the nature of the Church.
    But where did you ever get the impression that the SSPX was "tactful" or had good "taste"?
    They don't even operate in the sphere of common sense...
    An organization doesn’t have tact or taste. People have them, or, in the case of Fr. S.’s words,  lack them both. 

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    Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
    « Reply #33 on: February 03, 2025, 12:49:55 PM »
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  • Hmmm… we see in Schmidberger the stereotypical Jєωιѕн penchant for spitting on the graves of their foes.

    Running the German through a word counter, I get 48 words of praise (toward the beginning) and 166 of criticism/attack.  I counted the last section about resting in peace as neither.

    Certainly inappropriate after someone has just passed away.  We all know what your criticisms are and they can be alluded to if you don't want your text to read an an unequivocal endorsement of everything you do.

    I wonder when Schmidberger dies how many people will be commemorating his life?  It'll probably be a one-sentence blurb if a few news sources in Germany.

    Meanwhile, the veritable torrent and outpouring of sentiment toward Bishop Williamson remains as a testimony to how many lives he's touched for the better.  How many people will say:  "Father Schmidberger changed my life." (apart from a few that he expelled from SSPX).  Or "Bishop Glaretta changed my life."  Or even "Bishop Tissier changed my life." [perhaps a few Frenchmen who were in direct contact with him).  Or "Bishop Fellay changed my life." (as in, for the better).

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    Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
    « Reply #34 on: February 03, 2025, 12:54:57 PM »
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  • I'm guessing that if they were to hold Bishop Williamson's funeral/requiem in the US, there would be thousands in attendance.  I myself would make the 12-hour drive to Winona.


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    Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
    « Reply #35 on: February 03, 2025, 01:08:11 PM »
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    Disobey the pope?  No problem.  Disobey the SSPX Superior General (at the time Schmidberger)? ... well, you're basically consigning yourself to the flames of Hell, 
    Yeah and the sspx doesn’t even require/take vows.  Their whole idea of obedience is cultish. 

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    Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
    « Reply #36 on: February 03, 2025, 01:20:42 PM »
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  • I'm guessing that if they were to hold Bishop Williamson's funeral/requiem in the US, there would be thousands in attendance.  I myself would make the 12-hour drive to Winona.
    I would, too, only it would be a two day trip for me. Virginia would be easier, but that won’t be happening.

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    Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
    « Reply #37 on: February 03, 2025, 01:24:39 PM »
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  • "WAIT A MINTUE YOU FRIGGIN IDIOT - GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE YOU APE LOSER"!

    But, I will leave you too it then :laugh1:
    :cowboy:GO SHOVEL 🐄 💩? :laugh1:


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    Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
    « Reply #38 on: February 03, 2025, 01:37:22 PM »
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  • I've always found the Society's fake "authority" to be one of their most obnoxious self-contradictions.  Look, you're refusing submission to the man you hold to be the Vicar of Christ, who is, per the dogmatic teaching of Vatican I, the source and font of all authority in the Church after Christ Himself, from whom he in turn receives it, being His Vicar.  Newsflash, Schmidberger, +Fellay, Pagliarani ... YOU HAVE NO AUTHORITY!  Among Traditional Catholics the only authority is moral authority, and so I find it repugnant that the man who had hands down the greatest moral authority in the Society should be taking commands from a no-account punk like Schmidberger (who does he think he is speaking to a bishop like this, and THE bishop chosen by +Lefebvre to carry on his legacy?).  Somehow Schmidberger considers himself part of the "we" who had some alleged authority over His Excellency.

    They're badgered, persecuted, and attacked priests for decades for being "disobedient" when they were merely following their consciences in a different direction than SSPX, either going FSSP, or Maronite, or Sedevacantists, etc.  They had every much a right for their faith to be greater than their obedience as they did, in fact, a thousand times the right, since in disobeying the putative Vicar of Christ, they themselves are severed from the font of all authority in the Church and have no right to demand it of anyone else.

    For a Society that since its very inception has harped upon how the Modernists used "false authority" to draw people in to their errors, they themselves believe THEY enjoy some charism of infallibility that the Vicar of Christ lacks, and some authority to impose their "positions" on consciences that the Vicar of Christ lacks?  Utter hogwash.  And this insistence on "obedience" from the priests has been the chief warning sign to me from the start they had been infiltrated, since they're using this very same tactic that had worked for them before to wreck the larger Church, false authority.  And good old Schmidtie has long been at the top of my list of suspects.  If there has ever been a priest who lacked any sense of what I would consider piety or devotion (the hardest part of being a priest for an infiltrator to fake), it's been Schmidberger, just mechanically going through the Mass and Office, etc. ... without any sense that he was actually internally immersed in them.  Then this guy somehow became Superior (based on what? ... as he did not stand out in any respect), and was giving orders to bishops?  Even before I started studying Catholic ecclesiology in depth, i.e. when I was a newbie who knew next to nothing, EVEN BACK THEN I realized the obvious in-your-face contradiction of hammering people with "authority" when your very raison d'etre entails having separated from the authority of Christ's Vicar.

    I suspect His Excellency shared this same distaste / disgust toward this fake pseudo-authority that I have had for years, and that's why he shied away from creating his own organization, over which he'd have any authority.  I do think he should have leveraged his moral authority to retain control of SSPX (between himself and Tissier, he could have caused a revolt there, which would have been welcome given the Society's pollution with Modernism since then), and they could have wrested control of the SSPX from +Fellay, Schmidberger, et al.  But that's in the past now.

    In fact, when I was still in Winona, so this would have been early 1990s, just a short time after Archbishop Lefebvre's death, Bishop Williamson predicted a fragmentation of the Society precisely because he felt that it was only the moral authority of +Lefebvre that had been the glue holding it together, and that the rest was artificial authority, and that the SSPX only had the role of being a "pilot light" that could ignite once the actual institutional Church gets restored to what it was.
    Lad, I'm not sure what you've been smoking but Schmidberger, +Fellay, Pagliarani have the same authority by virtue of being superior general of the SSPX, similar to +Lefebvre being the founder and first superior general. Perhaps you are also saying +Lefebvre didn't have any authority to expel the Nine? And wasn't it +Williamson who played a big role also in the expulsion of the Nine?

    Granted, I agree that Fr. Schmidberger's post was in poor taste. But I also read the same pollution in +Williamson's tributes by Resistance sources who added condemnations of +Fellay. For goodness' sake, let's just stop the mudslinging and pray for the departed bishop. As the saying goes, what goes around comes around.

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    Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
    « Reply #39 on: February 03, 2025, 01:39:42 PM »
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  • https://odysee.com/@E.MichelJones:f/EMJ-Live-107:f

    And now, here's this asshole with his take.

    Should be keeping his mouth very shut.

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    Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
    « Reply #40 on: February 03, 2025, 01:41:41 PM »
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  • Lad, I'm not sure what you've been smoking but Schmidberger, +Fellay, Pagliarani have the same authority by virtue of being superior general of the SSPX, similar to +Lefebvre being the founder and first superior general. Perhaps you are also saying +Lefebvre didn't have any authority to expel the Nine? And wasn't it +Williamson who played a big role also in the expulsion of the Nine?

    Granted, I agree that Fr. Schmidberger's post was in poor taste. But I also read the same pollution in +Williamson's tributes by Resistance sources who added condemnations of +Fellay. For goodness' sake, let's just stop the mudslinging and pray for the departed bishop. As the saying goes, what goes around comes around.
    I see the same thing.  It is so frustrating.
    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"


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    Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
    « Reply #41 on: February 03, 2025, 04:07:55 PM »
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  • Does anyone have Schmidberger's email conveniently at hand?
    ^^^^ My efforts to find it have failed. Does anyone have it?
    His eyes need to be blistered by opprobrium heaped upon him.

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    Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
    « Reply #42 on: February 03, 2025, 04:17:45 PM »
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  • https://odysee.com/@E.MichelJones:f/EMJ-Live-107:f

    And now, here's this asshole with his take.

    Should be keeping his mouth very shut.
    Sad to see he is doubling down after many people rightfully told him off on twitter. Imagine standing before God at your judgement and having to explain why you, some NO layman, personally condemned to hell the man who has done the most good for the traditional Catholic movement since +Lefebvre. May God have mercy on his soul 
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    Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
    « Reply #43 on: February 03, 2025, 04:24:06 PM »
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    Granted, I agree that Fr. Schmidberger's post was in poor taste. But I also read the same pollution in +Williamson's tributes by Resistance sources who added condemnations of +Fellay. For goodness' sake, let's just stop the mudslinging and pray for the departed bishop. As the saying goes, what goes around comes around.
    It's ridiculous that you're trying to equate the two, Trento.  +W was expelled simply because he didn't "follow orders".  +Fellay is criticized because he's 1) constantly gaslighting people on why the sspx was founded and why Traditionalism originated and 2) watering down sspx's adherance to doctrine, in an attempted "merger" with new-rome.

    It's an apples to pizza comparison.

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    Re: Fr. Schmidberger on the death of Msgr Williamson
    « Reply #44 on: February 03, 2025, 04:42:12 PM »
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  • It's ridiculous that you're trying to equate the two, Trento.  +W was expelled simply because he didn't "follow orders".  +Fellay is criticized because he's 1) constantly gaslighting people on why the sspx was founded and why Traditionalism originated and 2) watering down sspx's adherance to doctrine, in an attempted "merger" with new-rome.

    It's an apples to pizza comparison.

    THIS^^^.  Trento's constantly trying to defend neo-SSPX and has shown himself a Modernist on a variety of issues, so he's slighly attempting to minimize (and justify) the mudslinging against Williamson by falsely equating it to those attacking SSPX for having expelled him.